Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 I didn't like the show much (had a homebirth with Eloisa and am booked for one with this one) just didn't think it worked (made out a BIG list of things for the homebirth group lol) and also I just don't care much for Zoe Ball.. this didn't do much to change that... Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Real birth show I've just watched the new C4 series - tonight was about homebirth. Not sure what I made of it really. I don't think I'm particularly better informed and I wasn't that well up before, having only had one birth and that was in hospital. One of the birth stories made me a tearful as I thought it was quite emotional. And I'm not sure the " sit around and lets chat about a few things " really worked at the end - for eg Zoe Ball asking how it felt the first time they had a wee after giving birth. OK so it's fair game to warn people these things can hurt too, but I didn't feel it was done that well, nor could I see it's relevance given that it was about homebirth. Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh. It's good it was covered, but I didn't think it was covered as well as it could have been. No doubt someone who's BTDT will tell me the prog was great BTW they gave a C4 website reference at the end (www.channe4.com/plus) if you wanted to know more about pregnancy and childbirth. Shame it couldn't have been ours, but at least I noticed we were the first organisation on the list of resources Todman Treasurer, Stansted Branch (R5) Mum to , 3½ *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 I didn't like the show much (had a homebirth with Eloisa and am booked for one with this one) just didn't think it worked (made out a BIG list of things for the homebirth group lol) and also I just don't care much for Zoe Ball.. this didn't do much to change that... Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Real birth show I've just watched the new C4 series - tonight was about homebirth. Not sure what I made of it really. I don't think I'm particularly better informed and I wasn't that well up before, having only had one birth and that was in hospital. One of the birth stories made me a tearful as I thought it was quite emotional. And I'm not sure the " sit around and lets chat about a few things " really worked at the end - for eg Zoe Ball asking how it felt the first time they had a wee after giving birth. OK so it's fair game to warn people these things can hurt too, but I didn't feel it was done that well, nor could I see it's relevance given that it was about homebirth. Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh. It's good it was covered, but I didn't think it was covered as well as it could have been. No doubt someone who's BTDT will tell me the prog was great BTW they gave a C4 website reference at the end (www.channe4.com/plus) if you wanted to know more about pregnancy and childbirth. Shame it couldn't have been ours, but at least I noticed we were the first organisation on the list of resources Todman Treasurer, Stansted Branch (R5) Mum to , 3½ *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 > > I didn't like the show much (had a homebirth with Eloisa and am booked for one with this one) Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth. A bit like asking Bernard s to present a programme on vegetarianism! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 > > I didn't like the show much (had a homebirth with Eloisa and am booked for one with this one) Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth. A bit like asking Bernard s to present a programme on vegetarianism! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 ROFLMAO !! Can you copy this message to the programme makers or even Zoe herself?!?! Hannah Re: Real birth show Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth. A bit like asking Bernard s to present a programme on vegetarianism! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 Like , I too have rather mixed feelings about the programme. I thought it was great to have a couple of examples of natural birth on the TV for a change - instead of the usual, " things always go horribly wrong " sort of birth scenarios that you usually see in soaps and other drama (yes, I know a straight-forward birth doesn't have the same dramatic potential and so ratings appeal). I actually found the two natural births very moving to watch. But I was left rather dissatisfied with the " sit around and let's chat " bits. So many questions were raised but the answers were so minimal and edited down that there were barely useful. I'm not that knowledgable about these things (just what I've read and learnt at classes), but found myself itching to say things like: " okay, you may have less options for pain relief, but figures show that you're less likely to need it if you're well-informed about what is happening during labour, and in a relaxed and stress-free state of mind " " yes, things might go wrong, but as long as you don't live too far from a hospital, there is usually plenty of time to detect this and get you into hospital for the medical attention you need, if it becomes necessary " Maybe the midwife said these sorts of things and they were edited out. As it was, it came across as a lot of little morsels of information that didn't tell you very much at all. Still, I'm going to watch the rest of the series - perhaps it will improve! And the fact that the NCT web site is linked so prominently from the programme's own site must surely bring more people into contact with the organisation. Charlotte Corke Newsletter Editor, Liverpool Branch and mum to Maeve (April 1998) and Lily (March 2000) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 > I actually found the two > natural births very moving to watch. Me too - I actually cried but I guess it was mixed with the emotion of " What if mine could have been like that " . It was so nice to see the midwives being so understanding and acceptable of how the woman wanted to give birth, as I was told in no uncertain terms that standing and floor were NOT an option. > " yes, things might go wrong, but as long as you don't live too far from > a hospital, there is usually plenty of time to detect this and get you > into hospital for the medical attention you need, if it becomes > necessary " I think this was the bit DH liked in our " earlybirds NCT session " which made him come round to me pushing for a homebirth although everything turned out totally opposite. After the show, which I got DH to watch a little bit of, I said I wanted a baby but it was met with a total lack of sensitivity from DH, and no nearer to convincing him - again! (living in hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 >>>Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth>>> I guess it's meant to be about all sorts of births (it's a series isn't it?) so presumably c/s will be covered too? Biggest problem I thought was that it was edited to death - so every exchange sounded stilted and no topics were really explored in any proper way. Best thing I thought was that they didn't cut the bit about Zoe's c/s - that they actually allowed the question to be asked, and allowed her slightly embarassed (so it sounded to me) reply to go on air. - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! Karina Mum to Emilia (Oct 98) and Sebastian (Aug 00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 >>>Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth>>> I guess it's meant to be about all sorts of births (it's a series isn't it?) so presumably c/s will be covered too? Biggest problem I thought was that it was edited to death - so every exchange sounded stilted and no topics were really explored in any proper way. Best thing I thought was that they didn't cut the bit about Zoe's c/s - that they actually allowed the question to be asked, and allowed her slightly embarassed (so it sounded to me) reply to go on air. - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! Karina Mum to Emilia (Oct 98) and Sebastian (Aug 00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 >>>Personally, I think it was bizarre of Channel 4 to choose someone who had an elective section (because it would interfere with future birthday parties to have a baby at Christmas) to present a programme about home birth>>> I guess it's meant to be about all sorts of births (it's a series isn't it?) so presumably c/s will be covered too? Biggest problem I thought was that it was edited to death - so every exchange sounded stilted and no topics were really explored in any proper way. Best thing I thought was that they didn't cut the bit about Zoe's c/s - that they actually allowed the question to be asked, and allowed her slightly embarassed (so it sounded to me) reply to go on air. - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! Karina Mum to Emilia (Oct 98) and Sebastian (Aug 00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 < > funny that because to me that felt very stilted and set up like they " had " to have it in there... And yes it is a series.. I would have liked someone to front it who had gone for a vaginal delivery but ended up with a c sec someone like that (can't name anyone famous but generally because I only know Z Ball had a c sec and Emma thompson a home delivery and ziltz about the rest of them and their deliveries) but someone like that would be really good to front a programme like this because she would know both sides of c sec and vaginal birth.. Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 tracey, I didint watch the real birth show for two reasons..1, i was at work, and 2, seems a bit strange to me to have the presenter of the show as a person who opted for an elective c section, just so she could fit in the birth around her work commitments. Really annoys me the way these celebs make themselves out to be earth mothers, but cant bear to go through the pain of childbirth, and never breastfeed, so they can get on a diet quick. ok, i am generalising alot here (catherine zeta jones is an exception), but i wont be watching out of principal, (probably blown out of all proportion by my bad mood today!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 tracey, I didint watch the real birth show for two reasons..1, i was at work, and 2, seems a bit strange to me to have the presenter of the show as a person who opted for an elective c section, just so she could fit in the birth around her work commitments. Really annoys me the way these celebs make themselves out to be earth mothers, but cant bear to go through the pain of childbirth, and never breastfeed, so they can get on a diet quick. ok, i am generalising alot here (catherine zeta jones is an exception), but i wont be watching out of principal, (probably blown out of all proportion by my bad mood today!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 > - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! I think it was more of an emotional thing for me. I have loads of videos of births (wish I'd taped it). I just wanted him to see it happening " normally " rather than in an operating theatre where I had the emergency section! I'd like a homebirth still but he is not convinced after my first experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 > - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! I think it was more of an emotional thing for me. I have loads of videos of births (wish I'd taped it). I just wanted him to see it happening " normally " rather than in an operating theatre where I had the emergency section! I'd like a homebirth still but he is not convinced after my first experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 > - I can't quite see why this programme should convince your DH to have another baby... my DH (forced to watch) was grimasing during the labour sessions saying he'd experienced enough of that first hand to not need to see it on television too! I think it was more of an emotional thing for me. I have loads of videos of births (wish I'd taped it). I just wanted him to see it happening " normally " rather than in an operating theatre where I had the emergency section! I'd like a homebirth still but he is not convinced after my first experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 , Fiona Philips (presenter, GMTV, unplanned pregnancy, " older mother " , trying hard to gove up smoking, wrote foreword to NCT book of babycare) didn't have a C-section and breastfed Nat for well over a year. How do I know all this? Well, the lack of C-section (and IIRC lack of a lot of pain relief) was documented in " Hello " and the extended BFing in the " Stop Smoking " magazine they have in our health centre waiting room... So don't come down hard on someone just because they're famous! BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do you think the answer is? I thought that your postings about Zoe Ball's credentials to present the show and her reasons for having a caesarian were quite offensive. How do you know what support she had, or how scared she was? I've said it before and I'll say it again - support doesn't stop fear or pain for everyone, you know! Anneliese and Toddler Tim Re: Real birth show > > tracey, > > I didint watch the real birth show for two reasons..1, i was at work, and 2, > seems a bit strange to me to have the presenter of the show as a person who > opted for an elective c section, just so she could fit in the birth around > her work commitments. Really annoys me the way these celebs make themselves > out to be earth mothers, but cant bear to go through the pain of childbirth, > and never breastfeed, so they can get on a diet quick. > > ok, i am generalising alot here (catherine zeta jones is an exception), but i > wont be watching out of principal, (probably blown out of all proportion by > my bad mood today!!). > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 > >BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have is their own subjective experience. Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, not on what happened to them or their mum. Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 > >BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have is their own subjective experience. Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, not on what happened to them or their mum. Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 I agree with Angi. I don't think it matters at all how she had her baby, but it does matter how she thinks about it AND whether it affects her view on other people's choices/decisions (if that makes sense at all). ZB gave off the air that she thought home birth was weird and full of negatives, she didn't seem to be an impartial presenter. laura ---------- > >To: nct-coffee > >Subject: Re: Real Birth Show >Date: Sat, Aug 4, 2001, 3:05 PM > > >> >>BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter > had? >>Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, > what do >>you think the answer is > > It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in > particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about > birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience > and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their > questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not > make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have > is their own subjective experience. > Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting > and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT > bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that > place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and > information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, > not on what happened to them or their mum. > Angi > > > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 I agree with Angi. I don't think it matters at all how she had her baby, but it does matter how she thinks about it AND whether it affects her view on other people's choices/decisions (if that makes sense at all). ZB gave off the air that she thought home birth was weird and full of negatives, she didn't seem to be an impartial presenter. laura ---------- > >To: nct-coffee > >Subject: Re: Real Birth Show >Date: Sat, Aug 4, 2001, 3:05 PM > > >> >>BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter > had? >>Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, > what do >>you think the answer is > > It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in > particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about > birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience > and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their > questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not > make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have > is their own subjective experience. > Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting > and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT > bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that > place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and > information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, > not on what happened to them or their mum. > Angi > > > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 I agree with Angi on this point. The presenter does indeed matter. Presumably such programmes are made in part to 'educate' us, not just entertain us, and therefore I believe the presenter has a responsibility to be impartial. If ZB, or anyone else for that matter, has something to say on a certain subject then it should be said elsewhere or there should be room in the programme for a full response from the other side. Lesley ------------------ liese said.......>BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is From: Angi It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have is their own subjective experience. Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, not on what happened to them or their mum. Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 I agree with Angi on this point. The presenter does indeed matter. Presumably such programmes are made in part to 'educate' us, not just entertain us, and therefore I believe the presenter has a responsibility to be impartial. If ZB, or anyone else for that matter, has something to say on a certain subject then it should be said elsewhere or there should be room in the programme for a full response from the other side. Lesley ------------------ liese said.......>BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is From: Angi It matters (and this is about presenters in general not ZB in particular, and also even more its about journos who spout on about birth) because they are generally not debriefed about their experience and are often bringing their own choices and experiences into their questioning and presenting. Having a baby by whatever route does not make someone an expert on the subject precisely because all they have is their own subjective experience. Antenatal teachers go though a long process of debriefing, reflecting and analysing their own experiences precisely so that they DO NOT bring them into the public arena, and work out their feelings in that place, when they should be being impartial. Their knowledge and information that they bring to classes is based on research evidence, not on what happened to them or their mum. Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 <<> >BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is>> I agree with what Angi replied here but I also want to point out that the fact that ZB did have a elective c sec showed to me in her questioning.. Can you have a epidural at home?? most mothers would have asked What are your pain relief options at home.. And the one that REALLY got me was.. Don't your feet get all pruned up when you have a waterbirth? that was relevant to birth WHY??? I do not think she actually got that the water was a pain reliever I think she thought it was like having a bath.. (may be wrong here as I don't know her but that was certainly how it came across to me) Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 <<> >BTW, what the **** does it matter what type of birth the presenter had? >Remove the word " presenter " and insert " antenatal teacher " - now, what do >you think the answer is>> I agree with what Angi replied here but I also want to point out that the fact that ZB did have a elective c sec showed to me in her questioning.. Can you have a epidural at home?? most mothers would have asked What are your pain relief options at home.. And the one that REALLY got me was.. Don't your feet get all pruned up when you have a waterbirth? that was relevant to birth WHY??? I do not think she actually got that the water was a pain reliever I think she thought it was like having a bath.. (may be wrong here as I don't know her but that was certainly how it came across to me) Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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