Re: Chinese Herbs/Blood tonifiers and redistribution

March 9, 2008

I would be scared to try anything that isn't vetted in AI

I went to the Chinese herbalist (dr BO Haoang) I believe is his name

in San . He started of with nattokinase which was super for two

days and then things got worse..my thinking on the nattokinase good

then bad period was that it did break up fibrin as promised which

initially was positive, but the problem is that it seems that mercury

is in the fibrin so you get redistribution..

soem of these hebs can be very powerful tonics on the liver/kidneys

from what i understand which I would think might hurt you more than

help...

some of these herbs seem to work in wierd and wonderful ways..but

then so does mercury redistribution

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I can't remember if this issue has been discussed before but I am

just

> wondering if anyone has any idea if taking blood tonifying herbs

and

> herbs that increase circulation to the brain can lead to mercury

> redistribution? I am not chelating at the moment but I am taking

some

> herbs primarily to support my adrenals but they are also

kidney/liver

> and blood tonifying herbs and I am having some side effects from

them,

> specifically dizziness, which could just be side effect of the

herbs

> themselves and their detox effects...dizziness is actually listed

as a

> side effect of one of the herbs. Otherwise they do seem to be

working,

> perhaps too strongly and maybe that is why am I feeling quite

dizzy! I

> know the herbs won't chelate the mercury but does anyone have any

idea

> or knowledge if herbs can affect mercury in this way if you have

> mercury toxicity?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anne

>

March 10, 2008

Hi

Thanks for replying. Yes I know what you mean about trying things

that we don't know enough about and we do have to be careful with

herbs because not enough research has been done with regard to their

interaction with heavy metals. I did email Andy too and he reckoned

that there wouldn't be a risk presumably because they are unlikely to

be true chelators. I think I'll continue with them for now plus it

doesnt feel I am getting any other kind of redistribution effect from

them that I usually get when chelating, so hopefully they aren't

doing me any harm! Did you know that fibrin also hides colonies of

bacteria eg borrelia/lyme? Not wanting to worry you unnecessarily

but I wonder if its possible that you felt worse after taking the

Nattokinase because you went through a herx? Do you know if you have

any infections like lyme? I have lyme myself and take Serrapeptase

which is similar to Nattokinase although I havent noticed any

negative effects from it but I know that other people with lyme have

experienced herxes when taking systemic enzymes.

All the best,

Anne

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I can't remember if this issue has been discussed before but I am

> just

> > wondering if anyone has any idea if taking blood tonifying herbs

> and

> > herbs that increase circulation to the brain can lead to mercury

> > redistribution? I am not chelating at the moment but I am taking

> some

> > herbs primarily to support my adrenals but they are also

> kidney/liver

> > and blood tonifying herbs and I am having some side effects from

> them,

> > specifically dizziness, which could just be side effect of the

> herbs

> > themselves and their detox effects...dizziness is actually listed

> as a

> > side effect of one of the herbs. Otherwise they do seem to be

> working,

> > perhaps too strongly and maybe that is why am I feeling quite

> dizzy! I

> > know the herbs won't chelate the mercury but does anyone have any

> idea

> > or knowledge if herbs can affect mercury in this way if you have

> > mercury toxicity?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

March 10, 2008

Hi Anne

thanks for the note and the information on lymes. yes i did test

positive for lyme four years ago...and I had heard that the fibrin

hides all sorts of nasty things..

thats one reason i stopped taking the nattokinase as it did seem to

be herxing me out and I thought I should lay off it during chelation

as my body/blood stream would have enough heavy metals to deal with

(post amalgam removal) without adding some fibrin busters (FOR NOW)

thats what sacres me about some of these herbs, if they are blood

thinners etc I do want to have them in the mix as its hard enough for

me to keep straight whats happening with the standard supps and rx's

recommended per AI...I agree, as you said, its not only how the herbs

interact with heavy metals, but how else they effect our body and

multiple organs/systems

my personal feeling is that the mercury is the root cause of my

lymes..ie wouldn't have had lymes/liver flukes etc if my body wasn't

a toxic waste site, so by getting rid of mercury you make the immune

system stronger and be able to deal with these bugs

I was on astralagus and shitake mushrooms which are pretty powerful

herbs/substances for the liver (I think)... but i believe it was too

much for me to handle and made things worse

>

> Hi

>

> Thanks for replying. Yes I know what you mean about trying things

> that we don't know enough about and we do have to be careful with

> herbs because not enough research has been done with regard to

their

> interaction with heavy metals. I did email Andy too and he

reckoned

> that there wouldn't be a risk presumably because they are unlikely

to

> be true chelators. I think I'll continue with them for now plus it

> doesnt feel I am getting any other kind of redistribution effect

from

> them that I usually get when chelating, so hopefully they aren't

> doing me any harm! Did you know that fibrin also hides colonies of

> bacteria eg borrelia/lyme? Not wanting to worry you unnecessarily

> but I wonder if its possible that you felt worse after taking the

> Nattokinase because you went through a herx? Do you know if you

have

> any infections like lyme? I have lyme myself and take Serrapeptase

> which is similar to Nattokinase although I havent noticed any

> negative effects from it but I know that other people with lyme

have

> experienced herxes when taking systemic enzymes.

>

> All the best,

>

> Anne

>

March 11, 2008

Hi. I just thought I'd share my experience with herbs, since I've done

a lot of Chinese medicine.

I've seen a number of herbalists/acupuncturists. The acupuncture helped

with acute things, like back problems, but didn't do much of anything

for chronic conditions. The herbs didn't do a damn thing for me, until ...

I had been told by a friend that the way the chinese find a good doctor

is to find someone who is 3rd generation and reasonably old. I only now

understand that the point is that you want someone trained in the old

system. This school thing that we do is quite superficial; when you're

trained from childhood, and when it's been in the family for a long

time, then the breadth of knowledge is much deeper.

Recently I was introduced to a 77 year old man from Honkong, 4th

generation (his son is 5th), and my experience with him is a whole

different world. He tells me that he knows 2000 herbs. That's 1 herb a

day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for 6 years. Forget it, 4 years in

medical school isn't even going to begin to touch it. Since no one

recognizes this form of education anymore, he _also_ had to get a

degree. And then he came here, so he got _another_! What a stupid

waste of a truly brilliant healer's time.

I went to see this guy for a bacterial skin infection, not bothering to

tell him anything about toxicity, since my previous experiences had

taught me that it was probably useless to go for the big issue. He took

a look and immediately said, " Oh, detoxing! " Then, " There might be some

bacteria too, but detoxing. " He explained that the problem is inside,

that the liver was not working right. He gave me a bag of herbs and in

_one week_, it was _gone_! Mind you, I had already tried alcohol,

murrh, calendula, washing in yoghurt and a couple of other things that

did no good and over a period of 2 months.

So, I started telling him about the whole toxicity thing, and he's

started giving me herbs that are making the most incredible difference.

For one thing, there is color in my face and hands that I haven't had

for years. And my body is warmer. And then the low grade chronic sinus

infection that started 25 years ago began to flare up - which he has

nearly cured over the space of 3 weeks! And, he tells me that the

kidney stone I have can be dealt with, slowly over a period of time,

assuming it's not too large (5mm is ok),.

I'm not giving up on chelation, but I'm telling you, if you can find one

of the old school - see him/her.

Dave.

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