Re: Taking ALA if sulfur issues exist?

[Guest guest]

very carefully I would think...are you saying that

ALA is sulphur based..

I thought they were two separate considerations

ASIDE TO THE FORUM

I think it would be good to suggest/recommend (maybe its there and

missed it) that IF you suspect you have high body/blood levels of

mercury you NEED to be VERY VERY careful with ALA

then the question becomes,

How do you know that you have high body/blood levels of mercury

A?- you have to start on a very low dose of dmsa/dmps

b?_you get redistribution symptoms from such things as massage etc

c)???

I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making light

of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

>

> Sorry if this has been asked before, but if one has sulfur issues, how

> does one begin to take ALA?

>

[Guest guest]

very carefully I would think...are you saying that

ALA is sulphur based..

I thought they were two separate considerations

ASIDE TO THE FORUM

I think it would be good to suggest/recommend (maybe its there and

missed it) that IF you suspect you have high body/blood levels of

mercury you NEED to be VERY VERY careful with ALA

then the question becomes,

How do you know that you have high body/blood levels of mercury

A?- you have to start on a very low dose of dmsa/dmps

b?_you get redistribution symptoms from such things as massage etc

c)???

I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making light

of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

>

> Sorry if this has been asked before, but if one has sulfur issues, how

> does one begin to take ALA?

>

[Guest guest]

- I'm curious how much you started with?

Can you describe your reaction? What is it that made it hard for you to

stop? How is it that you went on for two weeks?

Dave.

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Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:14 pm (PST)

[...]

I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making light

of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

[Guest guest]

- I'm curious how much you started with?

Can you describe your reaction? What is it that made it hard for you to

stop? How is it that you went on for two weeks?

Dave.

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Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:14 pm (PST)

[...]

I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making light

of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing your

experience I will stay where I am at…comfortable and able to operate

as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days on, 4 days

off. I'm on round 11.

Sunshine

>

> very carefully I would think...are you saying that

> ALA is sulphur based..

>

> I thought they were two separate considerations

>

> ASIDE TO THE FORUM

> I think it would be good to suggest/recommend (maybe its there and

> missed it) that IF you suspect you have high body/blood levels of

> mercury you NEED to be VERY VERY careful with ALA

>

> then the question becomes,

>

> How do you know that you have high body/blood levels of mercury

> A?- you have to start on a very low dose of dmsa/dmps

> b?_you get redistribution symptoms from such things as massage etc

> c)???

>

> I just know that I should have started very very low or even

avoided

> ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making

light

> of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

>

> It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

> eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing your

experience I will stay where I am at…comfortable and able to operate

as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days on, 4 days

off. I'm on round 11.

Sunshine

>

> very carefully I would think...are you saying that

> ALA is sulphur based..

>

> I thought they were two separate considerations

>

> ASIDE TO THE FORUM

> I think it would be good to suggest/recommend (maybe its there and

> missed it) that IF you suspect you have high body/blood levels of

> mercury you NEED to be VERY VERY careful with ALA

>

> then the question becomes,

>

> How do you know that you have high body/blood levels of mercury

> A?- you have to start on a very low dose of dmsa/dmps

> b?_you get redistribution symptoms from such things as massage etc

> c)???

>

> I just know that I should have started very very low or even

avoided

> ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making

light

> of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

>

> It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

> eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry if this has been asked before, but if one has sulfur issues, how

> does one begin to take ALA?

>

Twowittybird,

I am very sensitive to sulfur and find that the steady supply of sulfur

(ALA) keeps the sulfur from settling. I get " sulfur " symptoms on

stopping my round. I do do an extra day with DMSA and that has helped

but still my arm and leg go numb, my body vibrates etc.

Colette

[Guest guest]

I started with 25 mgs per 3 hours (I believe anderson

suggetsted this..if so i am in no way passing the blame on her for

starting at this amount) and was doing 15 mgs DMPS every 3 hours (up

from 15 mgs every 8 hours, which I had done initially and now am back

on)

well first round i was feeling a little off, hard to describe other

than physically and mentally weaker..nothing terrible though...took a

little break (2 days) and then went right back at it for round 2

(25 mgs of ALA and 15 mgs of dmps evry 3 hours, 4 though the night)

why did i go on...stupidity dumb/stubborn germanic/scotish gene pool

that i have..thought initially it was just the flu maybe

I stopped everything after the 2nd day (stopped dmps and ALA)..

The aches, anxiety, disconnection very depressed, suicidal feelings

were coming on pretty bad..Also, I think this bronchial/flue was

starting to take hold, as i had very bad body aches, leg burning,

hands were very cold, deep sort of headache (I call it the

screwdriver though the eyes feeling) this lasted for almost 2

weeks..also my shoulders were burning tingling, and knotting up like

about of frozen shoulder was coming on again

i did no chelation for a few days as my brain just felt frozen, i was

waking robotic as i call it..sort of shuffling...Thats when i started

reading AI again and finding the stuff at the very back about ALA

being pretty dangerous if you have high blood levels of mercury

i decided to do a short round of dmsa [NO ALA] (6 mgs every 4 hours),

may have started at 3 hours to try to clean up the redistribution..I

stopped that after two days as my flu symptoms bacame worse...This ws

the first time that i had to spend 3 days in bed with aches and

paralyzing depression

After a few days I stated dmps -15 mgs evry 8 hours (I believe this

was Wednesday) of this week..Monday I also started t increase many

supplements ....fish oil.flax oil/taurine/some zinc/selenium and

milk thistle, worked feverishly on getting my bowels more regular

Tuesday 2 am had a Eureka moment with taking HC 20 mgs/dhea 50 mgs I

believe /pregnenolone 50 mgs I believe...wow wow...My body calmed

down like never before (stopped coughing and had a very peaceful

sleep)

Wednesday and Thursday of this week were progrssively

better...amazing in fact as I was able to go to my girlfriends

daughters soccer awards last night and talk to people...had a great

time (I was in a panic on Monday that i would have to go in my

brainless neurotic state)

biggest problem now i thnk is as it was 3 weeks ago (Before ALA)

and that is adrenals AND high levels of mercury in body/blood

When i first started on dmsa I found that continuous rounds 10-14

days with 1-2 off were working much better for me)..If is tpopped

after 3-4 days the burning and everything bad would start back again

I am on day 3 now with dmps and am going to keep it going for another

week (low levels) and keep the bowels loosened up..

Thanks

>

> - I'm curious how much you started with?

>

> Can you describe your reaction? What is it that made it hard for

> you to stop? How is it that you went on for two weeks?

>

> Dave.

> Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:14 pm (PST)

>

per topbroker

> I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

> ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making

> light of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

>

> It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

> eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

>

[Guest guest]

I started with 25 mgs per 3 hours (I believe anderson

suggetsted this..if so i am in no way passing the blame on her for

starting at this amount) and was doing 15 mgs DMPS every 3 hours (up

from 15 mgs every 8 hours, which I had done initially and now am back

on)

well first round i was feeling a little off, hard to describe other

than physically and mentally weaker..nothing terrible though...took a

little break (2 days) and then went right back at it for round 2

(25 mgs of ALA and 15 mgs of dmps evry 3 hours, 4 though the night)

why did i go on...stupidity dumb/stubborn germanic/scotish gene pool

that i have..thought initially it was just the flu maybe

I stopped everything after the 2nd day (stopped dmps and ALA)..

The aches, anxiety, disconnection very depressed, suicidal feelings

were coming on pretty bad..Also, I think this bronchial/flue was

starting to take hold, as i had very bad body aches, leg burning,

hands were very cold, deep sort of headache (I call it the

screwdriver though the eyes feeling) this lasted for almost 2

weeks..also my shoulders were burning tingling, and knotting up like

about of frozen shoulder was coming on again

i did no chelation for a few days as my brain just felt frozen, i was

waking robotic as i call it..sort of shuffling...Thats when i started

reading AI again and finding the stuff at the very back about ALA

being pretty dangerous if you have high blood levels of mercury

i decided to do a short round of dmsa [NO ALA] (6 mgs every 4 hours),

may have started at 3 hours to try to clean up the redistribution..I

stopped that after two days as my flu symptoms bacame worse...This ws

the first time that i had to spend 3 days in bed with aches and

paralyzing depression

After a few days I stated dmps -15 mgs evry 8 hours (I believe this

was Wednesday) of this week..Monday I also started t increase many

supplements ....fish oil.flax oil/taurine/some zinc/selenium and

milk thistle, worked feverishly on getting my bowels more regular

Tuesday 2 am had a Eureka moment with taking HC 20 mgs/dhea 50 mgs I

believe /pregnenolone 50 mgs I believe...wow wow...My body calmed

down like never before (stopped coughing and had a very peaceful

sleep)

Wednesday and Thursday of this week were progrssively

better...amazing in fact as I was able to go to my girlfriends

daughters soccer awards last night and talk to people...had a great

time (I was in a panic on Monday that i would have to go in my

brainless neurotic state)

biggest problem now i thnk is as it was 3 weeks ago (Before ALA)

and that is adrenals AND high levels of mercury in body/blood

When i first started on dmsa I found that continuous rounds 10-14

days with 1-2 off were working much better for me)..If is tpopped

after 3-4 days the burning and everything bad would start back again

I am on day 3 now with dmps and am going to keep it going for another

week (low levels) and keep the bowels loosened up..

Thanks

>

> - I'm curious how much you started with?

>

> Can you describe your reaction? What is it that made it hard for

> you to stop? How is it that you went on for two weeks?

>

> Dave.

> Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:14 pm (PST)

>

per topbroker

> I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

> ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making

> light of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

>

> It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

> eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

>

[Guest guest]

I started with 25 mgs per 3 hours (I believe anderson

suggetsted this..if so i am in no way passing the blame on her for

starting at this amount) and was doing 15 mgs DMPS every 3 hours (up

from 15 mgs every 8 hours, which I had done initially and now am back

on)

well first round i was feeling a little off, hard to describe other

than physically and mentally weaker..nothing terrible though...took a

little break (2 days) and then went right back at it for round 2

(25 mgs of ALA and 15 mgs of dmps evry 3 hours, 4 though the night)

why did i go on...stupidity dumb/stubborn germanic/scotish gene pool

that i have..thought initially it was just the flu maybe

I stopped everything after the 2nd day (stopped dmps and ALA)..

The aches, anxiety, disconnection very depressed, suicidal feelings

were coming on pretty bad..Also, I think this bronchial/flue was

starting to take hold, as i had very bad body aches, leg burning,

hands were very cold, deep sort of headache (I call it the

screwdriver though the eyes feeling) this lasted for almost 2

weeks..also my shoulders were burning tingling, and knotting up like

about of frozen shoulder was coming on again

i did no chelation for a few days as my brain just felt frozen, i was

waking robotic as i call it..sort of shuffling...Thats when i started

reading AI again and finding the stuff at the very back about ALA

being pretty dangerous if you have high blood levels of mercury

i decided to do a short round of dmsa [NO ALA] (6 mgs every 4 hours),

may have started at 3 hours to try to clean up the redistribution..I

stopped that after two days as my flu symptoms bacame worse...This ws

the first time that i had to spend 3 days in bed with aches and

paralyzing depression

After a few days I stated dmps -15 mgs evry 8 hours (I believe this

was Wednesday) of this week..Monday I also started t increase many

supplements ....fish oil.flax oil/taurine/some zinc/selenium and

milk thistle, worked feverishly on getting my bowels more regular

Tuesday 2 am had a Eureka moment with taking HC 20 mgs/dhea 50 mgs I

believe /pregnenolone 50 mgs I believe...wow wow...My body calmed

down like never before (stopped coughing and had a very peaceful

sleep)

Wednesday and Thursday of this week were progrssively

better...amazing in fact as I was able to go to my girlfriends

daughters soccer awards last night and talk to people...had a great

time (I was in a panic on Monday that i would have to go in my

brainless neurotic state)

biggest problem now i thnk is as it was 3 weeks ago (Before ALA)

and that is adrenals AND high levels of mercury in body/blood

When i first started on dmsa I found that continuous rounds 10-14

days with 1-2 off were working much better for me)..If is tpopped

after 3-4 days the burning and everything bad would start back again

I am on day 3 now with dmps and am going to keep it going for another

week (low levels) and keep the bowels loosened up..

Thanks

>

> - I'm curious how much you started with?

>

> Can you describe your reaction? What is it that made it hard for

> you to stop? How is it that you went on for two weeks?

>

> Dave.

> Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:14 pm (PST)

>

per topbroker

> I just know that I should have started very very low or even avoided

> ALA for awhile. IT made me nuttier than a fruitcake (I am making

> light of a very bad two weeks) and lots of redistribution problems.

>

> It was my own fault for rushing into it but if strong words can

> eliminate someone else doing this it could be life saving

>

[Guest guest]

hi sunshine

glad to hear you are in the normal-ish camp, thats a good place to be

well i am not ncessarily saying do not start ALA as AI says its

necessary to clear the brain and Andy knows...

i just think it has to be done very carefully/slowly and maybe some

people should consider holding off ...

i also think that sometimes it takes 2 weeks for a bad dosing to take

effect and by then you are " in the tall grass/knee deep " as they say

and you're in trouble

I think Jackie indicated she still cannot take ALA and I am not sure

how long she has been chelating with dmsa/dmps..so it seems, its not

uncommon for people to have trouble with it

In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> your experience I will stay where I am at…comfortable and able to

> operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

>

> Sunshine

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi sunshine

glad to hear you are in the normal-ish camp, thats a good place to be

well i am not ncessarily saying do not start ALA as AI says its

necessary to clear the brain and Andy knows...

i just think it has to be done very carefully/slowly and maybe some

people should consider holding off ...

i also think that sometimes it takes 2 weeks for a bad dosing to take

effect and by then you are " in the tall grass/knee deep " as they say

and you're in trouble

I think Jackie indicated she still cannot take ALA and I am not sure

how long she has been chelating with dmsa/dmps..so it seems, its not

uncommon for people to have trouble with it

In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> your experience I will stay where I am at…comfortable and able to

> operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

>

> Sunshine

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi sunshine

glad to hear you are in the normal-ish camp, thats a good place to be

well i am not ncessarily saying do not start ALA as AI says its

necessary to clear the brain and Andy knows...

i just think it has to be done very carefully/slowly and maybe some

people should consider holding off ...

i also think that sometimes it takes 2 weeks for a bad dosing to take

effect and by then you are " in the tall grass/knee deep " as they say

and you're in trouble

I think Jackie indicated she still cannot take ALA and I am not sure

how long she has been chelating with dmsa/dmps..so it seems, its not

uncommon for people to have trouble with it

In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> your experience I will stay where I am at…comfortable and able to

> operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

>

> Sunshine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " topbrokersf " topbrokersf@...

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Fri Mar 7, 2008 7:55 am (PST)

>I started with 25 mgs per 3 hours (I believe anderson

>suggetsted this..if so i am in no way passing the blame on her for

>starting at this amount) and was doing 15 mgs DMPS every 3 hours (up

>from 15 mgs every 8 hours, which I had done initially and now am back

>on)

That's a big jump - you tripled DMPS and added ALA, all in one go. I

find that 25mg/3hr is doable for me, but 35mg is beyond exhausting.

Small differences make big changes in symptoms. Same for me on DMSA.

33mg/4hr is ok, 50mg/4hr is impossible. Also, 25mg ALA + 25mg DMSA/3hr

is so difficult I didn't make it more than 2 days. I haven't tried DMPS.

So, I'd suggest using one chelator at a time at first, just to get some

idea of how they feel. Combine them afterwards

>well first round i was feeling a little off, hard to describe other

>than physically and mentally weaker..nothing terrible though...took a

>little break (2 days) and then went right back at it for round 2

>(25 mgs of ALA and 15 mgs of dmps evry 3 hours, 4 though the night)

Ok, that's not a long enough break. You need to have minimum 3 days.

If the previous round was longer than three days, then stay off as long

as you were on. I would in addition suggest that if you have really

drastic symptoms, you not do 4 hours in the night. I found that made my

ALA side effects really really worse.

Also, note that one of our symptoms is to get in a pattern and stay

there. We may be driving ourselves to exhaustion, but somehow we can be

oblivious to the experience, focused as we are on the object of

continuing the chelation. The way I deal with this, is to take copious

notes in a health journal. When something isn't working too well, I go

back and read over what I've been doing for the last couple of rounds.

A couple of times the signs of exhaustion have been clear, but somehow I

couldn't respond to them until I was between rounds and a little less

sleep-deprived and side-effect addled.

>why did i go on...stupidity dumb/stubborn germanic/scotish gene pool

>that i have..thought initially it was just the flu maybe

No, that's not it. I think it has something to do with damage to what

neuro-psychologists call " set shifting " . It's very hard for us to shift

from one task to another. Also, we don't seem to respond to bodily

experiences until they are so insistent that they go over some

neurological threshold. I can sit at this computer all night, utterly

exhausted and famished from no food all day, and still I won't stop

until I simply can't go on any longer and am about to fall over. It's

unpleasant as all hell, but ... I just can't stop it.

>I stopped everything after the 2nd day (stopped dmps and ALA)..

>The aches, anxiety, disconnection very depressed, suicidal feelings

>were coming on pretty bad..Also, I think this bronchial/flue was

>starting to take hold, as i had very bad body aches, leg burning,

>hands were very cold, deep sort of headache (I call it the

>screwdriver though the eyes feeling) this lasted for almost 2

>weeks..also my shoulders were burning tingling, and knotting up like

>about of frozen shoulder was coming on again

One thing that's made this even worse, is that with 2 day rounds and not

enough time between rounds, you have the redistribution issues from the

end of the previous round, the beginning of this round, and the end of

this round, all piled on top of each other. So, you really did yourself in.

>i did no chelation for a few days as my brain just felt frozen, i was

>waking robotic as i call it..sort of shuffling...

>Thats when i started

>reading AI again and finding the stuff at the very back about ALA

>being pretty dangerous if you have high blood levels of mercury

Ya. It's not the ALA, - you've just stirred up so much mercury

that you're dealing with acute symptoms. Let it settle, get some sleep,

and then try again at a lower level and more disciplined protocol.

>i decided to do a short round of dmsa [NO ALA] (6 mgs every 4 hours),

>may have started at 3 hours to try to clean up the redistribution..I

>stopped that after two days as my flu symptoms bacame worse...This ws

>the first time that i had to spend 3 days in bed with aches and

>paralyzing depression

Ok, you're jumping around. Look at this, 3 different chelators in three

different doses, you are mixing dose timing and not taking enough time

between round. There are two syndromes that people like us manifest -

either we are frozen and place and do nothing, sometimes for years

(that's me), or we jump around and try one thing after another, never

working out the details long enough to find something that can help.

>After a few days I stated dmps -15 mgs evry 8 hours (I believe this

>was Wednesday) of this week..Monday I also started t increase many

>supplements ....fish oil.flax oil/taurine/some zinc/selenium and

>milk thistle, worked feverishly on getting my bowels more regular

Oh, my God! Now you're back to DMPS! And you're messing with your

supplements? Dude, chill!

One thing at a time, one at a time!!

You should be taking your supplements on a consistent basis, spread

through the day. Get that going. Learn what can help and when - lots

of vitamin C and electrolytes are a really good thing to do when you are

really hurting, as you were before this round. Milk thistle is good for

the liver, which is most critical when you are on ALA (which eliminates

Hg through the liver), though not on DMSA or DMPS.

>Tuesday 2 am had a Eureka moment with taking HC 20 mgs/dhea 50 mgs I

>believe /pregnenolone 50 mgs I believe...wow wow...My body calmed

>down like never before (stopped coughing and had a very peaceful

>sleep)

Well, I'm glad you figured something out - but science, and this is what

you are doing here, is about discipline.

>Wednesday and Thursday of this week were progrssively

>better...amazing in fact as I was able to go to my girlfriends

>daughters soccer awards last night and talk to people...had a great

>time (I was in a panic on Monday that i would have to go in my

>brainless neurotic state)

>biggest problem now i thnk is as it was 3 weeks ago (Before ALA)

>and that is adrenals AND high levels of mercury in body/blood

>When i first started on dmsa I found that continuous rounds 10-14

>days with 1-2 off were working much better for me)..If is tpopped

>after 3-4 days the burning and everything bad would start back again

Ok, but at least take 3 days, as you want to make sure that the side

effects from ending a round and those from starting the next one do not

overlap. I would suggest taking more, as during the in-between times

you get a chance to experiment with supplements and find what works.

Also, DMSA is the one that can be potentially dangerous, causing rare

but serious effects on neutrophils. Don't let that scare you off, but

just keep in mind that it shouldn't be used too excessively.

>I am on day 3 now with dmps and am going to keep it going for another

>week (low levels) and keep the bowels loosened up.

Key - develop a pattern and stay there.

Key - one thing at a time.

You are helping you body do something that it's wanted to do for a long

time - detox. Don't get it too confused. Work with it gently.

Hope this helps.

>Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation topbrokersf wrote:

hi sunshine

glad to hear you are in the normal-ish camp, thats a good place to be

----------Yes it is a good place to be, and nothing wrong with sticking with

something that works for awhile and allows you to be functional.--------Jackie

well i am not ncessarily saying do not start ALA as AI says its

necessary to clear the brain and Andy knows...

---------Yes it is something we all have to get to at some point, because it

is the only way to get the metals out of the brain. But there does seem to be

alot of variation as to when people are ready to do this.---------Jackie

i just think it has to be done very carefully/slowly and maybe some

people should consider holding off ...

----------I agree. Some people feel great on ALA and do just fine on higher

doses, and some of us get knocked flat by 6mg or less. And I don't think you'll

really know how you'll react until you try it.----------Jackie

i also think that sometimes it takes 2 weeks for a bad dosing to take

effect and by then you are " in the tall grass/knee deep " as they say

and you're in trouble

------------I think this is why TK has always recommended that people do at

least a few rounds at the same dose before upping it, because sometimes problems

creep up slowly. He said over and over that the biggest mistake he seen people

make was trying to go too fast.---------Jackie

I think Jackie indicated she still cannot take ALA and I am not sure

how long she has been chelating with dmsa/dmps..so it seems, its not

uncommon for people to have trouble with it

----------- is correct. I am getting close to 3 years post amalgam

removal, and have chelated off and on during that whole time, with breaks due to

family stress and other medical problems, surgery, etc. So because of my other

problems, I don't consider myself a normal case. But I started off chelating

with DMSA and could only tolerate 12.5mg at first, but felt really good at this

dose. Over the course of a year, I slowly went up to 16mg and then finally 25mg

of DMSA. My personal goal was to hit 25mg before I tried ALA. Well, that's

about the time things started going to hell in a handbasket for me, so I never

got around to trying the ALA for a long time, because I was actually just lucky

to be alive. Anyway, I went to see about a year ago, so I got to try

DMPS. It felt stronger to me than DMSA and I actually felt better on DMSA than

DMPS, and for that reason, and other personal stress again, I didn't chelate

much for awhile. Finally, last fall, I started thinking that here I am 2 years

post amalgam removal, and I still hadn't tried ALA, and started wondering that

maybe I'd be one of them that feel better on it and maybe I had been missing the

boat! So I finally tried 6mg of ALA on a round of 25mg of DMSA, which I know I

tolerate just fine. I believe I only took about 5 doses, and most of those

overnight, and I had to stop, because it just knocked me out. I believe I felt

it in my head, and I could not stay awake. I had only been awake for 2-3 hours,

and I had to take a nap. I slept until my alarm rang again, and I decided I

better stop. So, at least now I know I wasn't missing the boat! Because of my

surgery in December, I had a long chelation break again, and just recently

resumed DMPS chelation, and have not tried ALA again yet. I will probably wait

awhile.

So what factors are involved in people not tolerating ALA for a long time? I

don't know for sure, but here are some thoughts, at least maybe in my case, and

and I have discussed some of this too, and I think she discussed it with

Andy, because she didn't tolerate ALA for a long time either. Some people may

be more toxic, or have multiple toxicities, or just be more sensitive. I think

that's what Andy told her. In my case, one I may be more toxic, because my hair

test met 2, almost 3 counting rules. The most you can meet is 3, and I was

already supplementing at that time. Two, I have multiple toxicity, because I

have very high arsenic in my hair also, and I believe this may be a big factor

in my case. The first year while I was chelating with DMSA, which would pull

mercury but not arsenic, I was still drinking our well water, which had arsenic

in it. So I was probably taking a little mercury out but kept adding more

arsenic in, and not gaining much ground. So my body burden of arsenic is

probably still high, and since ALA pulls arsenic also, my reaction to it may

have been due more to the arsenic than the mercury. So now I believe that I am

going to have to do some chelation with DMPS only, to lower my aresenic levels,

before I will be able to tolerate ALA. But my trial of 6mg of ALA confirmed to

me that I am still very toxic and I have a long way to go. So I don't think I'm

a normal case, but I think it is good for others to be aware, that everyone

can't tolerate it 3 months after amalgam removal, and for some of us it is much,

much longer.--------Jackie

-----More below

In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> your experience I will stay where I am at.comfortable and able to

> operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

----------If you want to make a small change Sunshine, you could try splitting

your capsules in three, which would only be about 8mg per dose, and see how you

do. I wasn't able to go from 12.5 to 25, but going to 16 in between worked for

me.-------Jackie

>

> Sunshine

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation topbrokersf wrote:

hi sunshine

glad to hear you are in the normal-ish camp, thats a good place to be

----------Yes it is a good place to be, and nothing wrong with sticking with

something that works for awhile and allows you to be functional.--------Jackie

well i am not ncessarily saying do not start ALA as AI says its

necessary to clear the brain and Andy knows...

---------Yes it is something we all have to get to at some point, because it

is the only way to get the metals out of the brain. But there does seem to be

alot of variation as to when people are ready to do this.---------Jackie

i just think it has to be done very carefully/slowly and maybe some

people should consider holding off ...

----------I agree. Some people feel great on ALA and do just fine on higher

doses, and some of us get knocked flat by 6mg or less. And I don't think you'll

really know how you'll react until you try it.----------Jackie

i also think that sometimes it takes 2 weeks for a bad dosing to take

effect and by then you are " in the tall grass/knee deep " as they say

and you're in trouble

------------I think this is why TK has always recommended that people do at

least a few rounds at the same dose before upping it, because sometimes problems

creep up slowly. He said over and over that the biggest mistake he seen people

make was trying to go too fast.---------Jackie

I think Jackie indicated she still cannot take ALA and I am not sure

how long she has been chelating with dmsa/dmps..so it seems, its not

uncommon for people to have trouble with it

----------- is correct. I am getting close to 3 years post amalgam

removal, and have chelated off and on during that whole time, with breaks due to

family stress and other medical problems, surgery, etc. So because of my other

problems, I don't consider myself a normal case. But I started off chelating

with DMSA and could only tolerate 12.5mg at first, but felt really good at this

dose. Over the course of a year, I slowly went up to 16mg and then finally 25mg

of DMSA. My personal goal was to hit 25mg before I tried ALA. Well, that's

about the time things started going to hell in a handbasket for me, so I never

got around to trying the ALA for a long time, because I was actually just lucky

to be alive. Anyway, I went to see about a year ago, so I got to try

DMPS. It felt stronger to me than DMSA and I actually felt better on DMSA than

DMPS, and for that reason, and other personal stress again, I didn't chelate

much for awhile. Finally, last fall, I started thinking that here I am 2 years

post amalgam removal, and I still hadn't tried ALA, and started wondering that

maybe I'd be one of them that feel better on it and maybe I had been missing the

boat! So I finally tried 6mg of ALA on a round of 25mg of DMSA, which I know I

tolerate just fine. I believe I only took about 5 doses, and most of those

overnight, and I had to stop, because it just knocked me out. I believe I felt

it in my head, and I could not stay awake. I had only been awake for 2-3 hours,

and I had to take a nap. I slept until my alarm rang again, and I decided I

better stop. So, at least now I know I wasn't missing the boat! Because of my

surgery in December, I had a long chelation break again, and just recently

resumed DMPS chelation, and have not tried ALA again yet. I will probably wait

awhile.

So what factors are involved in people not tolerating ALA for a long time? I

don't know for sure, but here are some thoughts, at least maybe in my case, and

and I have discussed some of this too, and I think she discussed it with

Andy, because she didn't tolerate ALA for a long time either. Some people may

be more toxic, or have multiple toxicities, or just be more sensitive. I think

that's what Andy told her. In my case, one I may be more toxic, because my hair

test met 2, almost 3 counting rules. The most you can meet is 3, and I was

already supplementing at that time. Two, I have multiple toxicity, because I

have very high arsenic in my hair also, and I believe this may be a big factor

in my case. The first year while I was chelating with DMSA, which would pull

mercury but not arsenic, I was still drinking our well water, which had arsenic

in it. So I was probably taking a little mercury out but kept adding more

arsenic in, and not gaining much ground. So my body burden of arsenic is

probably still high, and since ALA pulls arsenic also, my reaction to it may

have been due more to the arsenic than the mercury. So now I believe that I am

going to have to do some chelation with DMPS only, to lower my aresenic levels,

before I will be able to tolerate ALA. But my trial of 6mg of ALA confirmed to

me that I am still very toxic and I have a long way to go. So I don't think I'm

a normal case, but I think it is good for others to be aware, that everyone

can't tolerate it 3 months after amalgam removal, and for some of us it is much,

much longer.--------Jackie

-----More below

In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> your experience I will stay where I am at.comfortable and able to

> operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

----------If you want to make a small change Sunshine, you could try splitting

your capsules in three, which would only be about 8mg per dose, and see how you

do. I wasn't able to go from 12.5 to 25, but going to 16 in between worked for

me.-------Jackie

>

> Sunshine

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In frequent-dose-chelation , " sunshinep1969 "

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for sharing that. I was gonna try ALA, but after hearing

> > your experience I will stay where I am at.comfortable and able

to

> > operate as a normal(-ish) person. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours 3 days

> > on 4 days off. I'm on round 11.

>

> ----------If you want to make a small change Sunshine, you could

try splitting your capsules in three, which would only be about 8mg

per dose, and see how you do. I wasn't able to go from 12.5 to 25,

but going to 16 in between worked for me.-------Jackie

Sunshine: I'm gonna stick at 6mg DMSA for now. I'm in the groove,

every weekend I am chelating now. 6mg every 3 hours is strong enough

for sure. Every round produces different symptoms, some rounds more

than others. This latest round was very racy, I felt speedy for the

first day, for the first time I had proper loud ringing in my ears, I

kept hearing bells tinkling too….very strange…LOL. Metal taste in my

mouth as well.

And as a reward…..i got some more colours back Sunday;-) Blue and

yellow are even clearer….6mg works, I feel it, its enough for now.

I feel the urge to speed things up and increase the dose….but I feel

the urge to lead a normal-ish life more….which 6mg gives me.

When I move up, it will be to 8mg but not yet.

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

Dave

thank you for going through this in such detail. You are right

too much too fast and then when it failed i threw in the kitchen sink

for good measure...

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , Dave - AM&FDC Posts

wrote:

>

Fri Mar 7, 2008 7:55 am (PST)

>

> >I started with 25 mgs per 3 hours (I believe anderson

> >suggetsted this..if so i am in no way passing the blame on her for

> >starting at this amount) and was doing 15 mgs DMPS every 3 hours

(up

> >from 15 mgs every 8 hours, which I had done initially and now am

back

> >on)

>

---- That's a big jump - you tripled DMPS and added ALA, all in one

---- go. I find that 25mg/3hr is doable for me, but 35mg is beyond

---- exhausting. Small differences make big changes in symptoms.

---- Same for me on DMSA. 33mg/4hr is ok, 50mg/4hr is impossible.

---- Also, 25mg ALA + 25mg DMSA/3hr is so difficult I didn't make

---- it more than 2 days. I haven't tried DMPS.

---- So, I'd suggest using one chelator at a time at first, just to

get some idea of how they feel. Combine them afterwards

>