Re: HC at night

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In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

By the way, thanks for posting your experience about taking lots

of HC at night to get back to sleep. I've tried this a few times,

big handful of HC at 4 am, works like a charm!

---------, what constitutes *a big handful of HC*? Yikes! Sounds a

little scary, but as long as it works!---------Jackie

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> By the way, thanks for posting your experience about taking lots

> of HC at night to get back to sleep. I've tried this a few times,

> big handful of HC at 4 am, works like a charm!

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Yikes! Sounds a little scary, but as long as it works!---------Jackie

Sorry, slight exaggerration. I've never taken more than 30 mg,

usually 20-25 mg. To me it seems like a big handful, but it's

s'posed to be good for me.

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Hi and Jackie: question see below

Glad it helped and you posted what dosage you take. I have

been scared to go above 25 mgs. I now take 10 when i go to bed if I

am doing 8 hour dmps and then 10 mgs at 6 am and 5 around 2 pm

If I am doing ALA 4 hours at night) I often take 10mgs at 10 pm and

then 10 again at 2:00 am and the 5 around 10 am

But i think the time it " really really worked well for me was when i

took 15-20 around 2-4 pm when i woke up with severe aches, much like

you are saying ..but I was scared to take too much

So is 25-30 mgs the maximum dosage you should be taking per day or

does it depend

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> Sorry, slight exaggerration. I've never taken more than 30 mg,

> usually 20-25 mg. To me it seems like a big handful, but it's

> s'posed to be good for me.

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In frequent-dose-chelation mercurybeater wrote:

Hi and Jackie: question see below

Glad it helped and you posted what dosage you take. I have

been scared to go above 25 mgs. I now take 10 when i go to bed if I

am doing 8 hour dmps and then 10 mgs at 6 am and 5 around 2 pm

--------I think we need to point out that everyone is different, and some

people would not tolerate taking HC at night, this would keep them awake. But

it looks like it helps some of you sleep better, so it is individual. So

evidentally your cortisol and/or your blood sugar drops very low at night?

I have higher blood sugar, and I may stay up late, but once I get to sleep, I

sleep fine, so I'm not being woken up by a drop in these like you

are.--------Jackie

If I am doing ALA 4 hours at night) I often take 10mgs at 10 pm and

then 10 again at 2:00 am and the 5 around 10 am

----------And doing this, you feel fine during the day also? You don't feel

like it has worn off? Are you tired in the afternoon?----------Jackie

-----------Personally, I really need HC in the morning and afternoon. I

usually feel better at night, and I sleep just fine, once I get to

sleep.-------Jackie

But i think the time it " really really worked well for me was when i

took 15-20 around 2-4 pm when i woke up with severe aches, much like

you are saying ..but I was scared to take too much

-----------Do you mean 2-4 pm or *am*? Because you had been talking about at

night, so I just want to get it straight. Did this happen while on a

round?-----Jackie

So is 25-30 mgs the maximum dosage you should be taking per day or

does it depend

----------It depends on the person. For *most* people, they say 20mg or less

a day is safe. Anything over that, should be carefully considered and

monitored.

Now it is usually fine to up your dosage for stressful situations, like

illness or emotional or physical stress. But if you do this too much or for too

long, it can cause problems. This happened to me. I did *way* too much stress

dosing last fall, and got myself into trouble, because it raised my blood sugar

levels to borderline diabetic. Now for people with low blood sugar, this may

not be a problem, but for me it was.

Since then, I have been trying to stick to 20mg, and by taking more ACE, I

have been able to do this. I even only took 10mg on a few days. But this was

when I wasn't chelating. I have noticed that I need my full dose when I am

chelating.

And I did a little stress dosing to help ward off a virus going through my

family. I took 40mg a couple of days, and 30mg a couple of days, and I never

got the full-blown illness. (I take lots of other immune stuff too.)

So I think it is individual, and it takes some experimenting to find out what

is best for you, which sounds like what you are doing, but the general

recommendation is to keep your dose as low as possible, but enough to get some

benefit from it. I know had me try to drop down to 15mg a day last

summer, and it just wasn't cutting it. I seem to need at least 20mg, and taking

more ACE is helping me to stay there.

So I don't remember if you're taking any ACE or not, but that is something you

could try along with the HC, to maybe help keep your dosage down. I'd be

curious if just ACE would help you sleep, or does it need to be

HC?--------Jackie

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> Sorry, slight exaggerration. I've never taken more than 30 mg,

> usually 20-25 mg. To me it seems like a big handful, but it's

> s'posed to be good for me.

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In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

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> By the way, thanks for posting your experience about taking lots

> of HC at night to get back to sleep. I've tried this a few times,

> big handful of HC at 4 am, works like a charm!

>

> ---------, what constitutes *a big handful of HC*?

Yikes! Sounds a little scary, but as long as it works!---------Jackie

Sorry, slight exaggerration. I've never taken more than 30 mg,

usually 20-25 mg. To me it seems like a big handful, but it's

s'posed to be good for me.

--------So you have taken 20-30mg of HC all at once, at like 4am, and then

slept like a baby? How many hours do you sleep after that? And then you don't

take any HC that next day? Interesting.

And my tablets are 20mg each, so a big handful would be *alot*!

And I don't have the same sleep issues, because once I get to sleep, I usually

sleep just fine. I just have a tendency to want to stay up late.--------Jackie

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> Hi and Jackie: question see below

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> Glad it helped and you posted what dosage you take. I have

> been scared to go above 25 mgs. I now take 10 when i go to bed if I

> am doing 8 hour dmps and then 10 mgs at 6 am and 5 around 2 pm

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> If I am doing ALA 4 hours at night) I often take 10mgs at 10 pm and

> then 10 again at 2:00 am and the 5 around 10 am

I'm reluctant to take it at bedtime. I'm afraid it will keep me awake

then. My cortisol is high end of the normal range at night, so I

really don't need any at that time.

Also, I figure I should try to simulate a normal cortisol curve, which

is by far highest in the morning and declines fairly steeply over the

course of the day.

You may have a different situation and if it was recommended for you

to take HC this way, then it may be okay.

> But i think the time it " really really worked well for me was when i

> took 15-20 around 2-4 pm when i woke up with severe aches, much like

> you are saying ..but I was scared to take too much

It's true you don't want to be taking HC in excess of your needs.

Normally cortisol level is highest in the morning, so usually you

take a bigger dose then and smaller doses later in the day.

> So is 25-30 mgs the maximum dosage you should be taking per day or

> does it depend

This will depend on the person. I'm taking the dose A. told

me to take (just sometimes a lot earlier in the morning than usual),

but you might be different from me. I suggest you look back at what

she recommended. I think for some people it is okay to experiment a

little with timing and dosing, but if you find yourself going out of

the bounds of what she recommended (higher total dose or different

timing) then I would check in with her to see what she thinks.

Sometimes stress dosing is appropriate. If you are sick or under

significant stress, it may be appropriate to take more on a

short-term basis.

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