Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Joyce, Except for one brief try at liquid O2 I've been using a concentrator and tanks for nearly 3 years now. But honestly Joyce I wouldn't switch to tanks if you're trying to get something that lasts longer than a marathon. An E tank which is about 30 inches tall and weighs about 12 or 13 pounds and holds 682 liters of compressed oxygen. So on a continuous setting of 3 liters per minute it is only going to last you about 3 hours and 40 minutes. This is considerably less than a Marathon and it weighs more. I use a rolling cart for my E tank and if I'm going somewhere for more than 3 or 4 hours I take an extra tank with me. With a conserver and set at 3 or 4 liters an E tank will last 6 or 7 hours. Set on continuous obviously they go alot faster. I get tanks 12-15 tanks delivered by my provider every 2 weeks. I'm happy with a concentrator and tanks for now but I am leaving the door open for the possibility that liquid may at some point be more practical. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: breathe-support Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:46:43 PMSubject: o2 questions i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters this is for those of you who use cannisters what size do you use for the portable ones? how do you carry it? how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? how many do you get with your o2 delivery? i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long period of time, i always worry "Will the O2 in the marathan last the entire outing?" especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back thanks for your help i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff and paying for the extra cannisters Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 www.transplantfund. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Joyce, Except for one brief try at liquid O2 I've been using a concentrator and tanks for nearly 3 years now. But honestly Joyce I wouldn't switch to tanks if you're trying to get something that lasts longer than a marathon. An E tank which is about 30 inches tall and weighs about 12 or 13 pounds and holds 682 liters of compressed oxygen. So on a continuous setting of 3 liters per minute it is only going to last you about 3 hours and 40 minutes. This is considerably less than a Marathon and it weighs more. I use a rolling cart for my E tank and if I'm going somewhere for more than 3 or 4 hours I take an extra tank with me. With a conserver and set at 3 or 4 liters an E tank will last 6 or 7 hours. Set on continuous obviously they go alot faster. I get tanks 12-15 tanks delivered by my provider every 2 weeks. I'm happy with a concentrator and tanks for now but I am leaving the door open for the possibility that liquid may at some point be more practical. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: breathe-support Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:46:43 PMSubject: o2 questions i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters this is for those of you who use cannisters what size do you use for the portable ones? how do you carry it? how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? how many do you get with your o2 delivery? i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long period of time, i always worry "Will the O2 in the marathan last the entire outing?" especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back thanks for your help i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff and paying for the extra cannisters Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 www.transplantfund. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Pink If you don't switch, insist on a second Marathon. > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > how do you carry it? > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long period of time, i always worry " Will the O2 in the marathan last the entire outing? " especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > thanks for your help > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff and paying for the extra cannisters > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > www.transplantfund.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 sounds like a good idea wonder if they will charge Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 www.transplantfund.org--- Subject: Re: o2 questionsTo: Breathe-Support Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:28 PM PinkIf you don't switch, insist on a second Marathon.>> i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters>> this is for those of you who use cannisters>> what size do you use for the portable ones?> how do you carry it?> how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm?> how many do you get with your o2 delivery?>> i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a longperiod of time, i always worry "Will the O2 in the marathan last theentire outing?" especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm>> when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day> this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm[there was a tie and they had to play extra innings]>> sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like theparking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down>> last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back>> thanks for your help>> i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff andpaying for the extra cannisters>>> Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania> Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09> www.transplantfund. org> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Pink They may want to but it's really their obligation to meet your needs within what medicare is already paying them and if that means more equipment, then they should supply it without charge. It may or may not be a battle, but I'd talk to the local branch manager. I have known persons with up to three Companion 1000's when they were over 10 lpm in requirements. The supplier isn't use to such needs because they are use to COPD so lots of explanation may be in order. If for some reason you can't work that out, there are reconditioned units available many places, there are rentals for as low as $35 per month, and there are helios marathons sold regularly on ebay. > > > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > > how do you carry it? > > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long > period of time, i always worry " Will the O2 in the marathan last the > entire outing? " especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm > > > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm > [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the > parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > > > thanks for your help > > > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff and > paying for the extra cannisters > > > > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > > www.transplantfund. org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 What is a Helios Marathon? IPF 3/03, Bronchectsis 3/03To: Breathe-Support Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 8:19:05 PMSubject: Re: o2 questions Pink They may want to but it's really their obligation to meet your needs within what medicare is already paying them and if that means more equipment, then they should supply it without charge. It may or may not be a battle, but I'd talk to the local branch manager. I have known persons with up to three Companion 1000's when they were over 10 lpm in requirements. The supplier isn't use to such needs because they are use to COPD so lots of explanation may be in order. If for some reason you can't work that out, there are reconditioned units available many places, there are rentals for as low as $35 per month, and there are helios marathons sold regularly on ebay. > > > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > > how do you carry it? > > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long > period of time, i always worry "Will the O2 in the marathan last the > entire outing?" especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 lpm > > > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 pm > [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the > parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > > > thanks for your help > > > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff and > paying for the extra cannisters > > > > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > > www.transplantfund. org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 A Helios Marathon is a Liquid Oxygen Portable. The Puritan line consists of the Helios Plus (entry level, best for those on low liter flow), Helios Marathon (larger and more continuous flows), Companion 1000 (larger still and continuous only) and the Companion 1000T (same as Companion 1000 but higher liter flow). The other major liquid portable manufacturer is Caire, but they aren't used as much by most suppliers. They have a comparable line. In fact, their units have some advantages. > > > > > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > > > > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > > > > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > > > how do you carry it? > > > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > > > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > > > > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a long > > period of time, i always worry " Will the O2 in the marathan last the > > entire outing? " especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 > lpm > > > > > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > > > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about 8 > pm > > [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > > > > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the > > parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > > > > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > > > > > thanks for your help > > > > > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff > and > > paying for the extra cannisters > > > > > > > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > > > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > > > www.transplantfund. org > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 -Bruce Thank you. I have 2 units that are Helios. My small unit is a Helios Plus 300. Then I was shocked that I have a Helios Marathon 850. The 300 unit is intermittent while the 850 unit has both and a higher flow. It is good to know that there is something else out there if I need it. My oxygen provider is Lincare. Thanks for the info. Take care and God bless -- In Breathe-Support , " Bruce Moreland " wrote: > > > > A Helios Marathon is a Liquid Oxygen Portable. The Puritan line > consists of the Helios Plus (entry level, best for those on low liter > flow), Helios Marathon (larger and more continuous flows), Companion > 1000 (larger still and continuous only) and the Companion 1000T (same as > Companion 1000 but higher liter flow). > > The other major liquid portable manufacturer is Caire, but they aren't > used as much by most suppliers. They have a comparable line. In fact, > their units have some advantages. > > > > > > > > > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > > > > > > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > > > > > > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > > > > how do you carry it? > > > > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > > > > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > > > > > > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a > long > > > period of time, i always worry " Will the O2 in the marathan last the > > > entire outing? " especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 > > lpm > > > > > > > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > > > > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about > 8 > > pm > > > [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > > > > > > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the > > > parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > > > > > > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > > > > > > > thanks for your help > > > > > > > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff > > and > > > paying for the extra cannisters > > > > > > > > > > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > > > > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > > > > www.transplantfund. org > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Joyce/ A good example of someone with two units. Joyce, you should be able to get two Marathons. > > > > > > > > > > i am thinking about switching systems from liquid to cannisters > > > > > > > > > > this is for those of you who use cannisters > > > > > > > > > > what size do you use for the portable ones? > > > > > how do you carry it? > > > > > how long do they last? at 3-4 lpm? > > > > > how many do you get with your o2 delivery? > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been discussed before, but when I go out for a > > long > > > > period of time, i always worry " Will the O2 in the marathan last the > > > > entire outing? " especially if i am active and need to set it at 3-4 > > > lpm > > > > > > > > > > when i go with jerry to the ball game, it's an entire day > > > > > this past saturday, he left the house at 11 am and got home about > > 8 > > > pm > > > > [there was a tie and they had to play extra innings] > > > > > > > > > > sometimes i will turn it up to walk to where i am going [like the > > > > parking lot to whereever], and then i forget to turn it down > > > > > > > > > > last summer, carrying an M6 on my back hurt my back > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your help > > > > > > > > > > i might just stick with the idea of using liquid for routine stuff > > > and > > > > paying for the extra cannisters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania > > > > > Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09 > > > > > www.transplantfund. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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