Re: O/T Hidden amalgam survey?

[Guest guest]

I had 2 crowns, both were porcelain on gold.

One was a crown over a pin restoration and definitely had amalgam

beneath it. But I knew that beforehand, since the original pin

restoration was done in my early twenties.

The other was a crown over a tooth broken at age 6 that had no amalgam

beneath it, which I also knew beforehand. I chose to go completely

metal free so I had it replaced anyway. To be perfectly honest, that

tooth has not fared as well after being re-crowned. It's more

sensitive to hot and cold than it used to be. And I have a vague

sense of the tooth not being as healthy, though I can't articulate it

or quantify it. My dentist can't find anything wrong with the tooth.

Maybe I'm just imagining it... mental health isn't one of my strong

suits. In any event, it's a front tooth so I can keep a close watch

on it.

If I had it to do again, would I remove the crown that I was certain

had no amalgam underneath or just leave the one porcelain on gold

crown? I don't know. I just don't know. It had been in place for

nearly 30 years...

I do really like being absolutely, unequivocally and for-sure metal

free.

[Guest guest]

I had 2 crowns, both were porcelain on gold.

One was a crown over a pin restoration and definitely had amalgam

beneath it. But I knew that beforehand, since the original pin

restoration was done in my early twenties.

The other was a crown over a tooth broken at age 6 that had no amalgam

beneath it, which I also knew beforehand. I chose to go completely

metal free so I had it replaced anyway. To be perfectly honest, that

tooth has not fared as well after being re-crowned. It's more

sensitive to hot and cold than it used to be. And I have a vague

sense of the tooth not being as healthy, though I can't articulate it

or quantify it. My dentist can't find anything wrong with the tooth.

Maybe I'm just imagining it... mental health isn't one of my strong

suits. In any event, it's a front tooth so I can keep a close watch

on it.

If I had it to do again, would I remove the crown that I was certain

had no amalgam underneath or just leave the one porcelain on gold

crown? I don't know. I just don't know. It had been in place for

nearly 30 years...

I do really like being absolutely, unequivocally and for-sure metal

free.

[Guest guest]

I had 2 crowns, both were porcelain on gold.

One was a crown over a pin restoration and definitely had amalgam

beneath it. But I knew that beforehand, since the original pin

restoration was done in my early twenties.

The other was a crown over a tooth broken at age 6 that had no amalgam

beneath it, which I also knew beforehand. I chose to go completely

metal free so I had it replaced anyway. To be perfectly honest, that

tooth has not fared as well after being re-crowned. It's more

sensitive to hot and cold than it used to be. And I have a vague

sense of the tooth not being as healthy, though I can't articulate it

or quantify it. My dentist can't find anything wrong with the tooth.

Maybe I'm just imagining it... mental health isn't one of my strong

suits. In any event, it's a front tooth so I can keep a close watch

on it.

If I had it to do again, would I remove the crown that I was certain

had no amalgam underneath or just leave the one porcelain on gold

crown? I don't know. I just don't know. It had been in place for

nearly 30 years...

I do really like being absolutely, unequivocally and for-sure metal

free.

[Guest guest]

O/T Hidden amalgam survey?

,

Wow, thats a huge issue. Here's what I'm learning. I've got an enormous amt of

metals in my mouth, loads of mercury from childhood, then added some horrid

blackish metals crowns, also a couple with gold/porcelain crowns, had a metal

bridge with metals I was allergic to that didn't fit right, ruined my upper

teeth, ruined my jaw/bite, caused unbeleiveable misery and took 12 yrs to afford

to take it OFF. So I opted to pull the two dead teeth under that bridge, both

had been root canalled decades earlier. They found a VERY leaky old mercury

filling at the base of the root of that tooth, used in the root canal. It also

had a stainless pin. Also took out the tooth next to that (dead and RC'd), it

had a LOT of infection in that root canal that had eaten away the metal SS pin

in that root canal. Had a new bridge made for that area with gold/precious

metal and porcelain over it. That bothered me again because of the battery

affect right now of SO many opposing metals. I got the Clifford Dental

materials testing done before I started any of this. I've had a lot of merc

fillings removed, some each year, this is my 3rd year doing all this restoration

work and its costing a fortune. I talked to the dentist today about the lava

crowns I heard about here, and he said they are not bad but not as strong as

having gold under and they just replaced one today for somebody, they crack as

they age. So we looked up on my clifford test and lava crowns are not compatible

for me anyway. So they took off an old crown today that was what he called

'scary' metal, its turned almost black over the years, been in about 25 yrs, I

have several of these. It never did fit right so there was a lot of decay under

it when they got it off AND there was loads of mercury under it, so that came

out today as well...... in 10 days we are going to do another one that hurts

also and looks just like the one we did today, scary black metal, bad margin

areas so will be lots of decay there and no doubt another load of mercury under

that one. Then another 10 days I'm going to have a merc filling removed that

nearly fills a whole large tooth and we'll put a crown on that and will be the

same materials on all 3 new crowns, same as the bridge. HOpefully that will

start turning the tide of having SO many opposing metals touching all over, next

to or above/below each other. My health history is sick a lot as a child,

constant tonsil/strep infections (which I read just a few years ago can be

draining poisons from the TEETH!), then full blown cfs at age 28, fibromyalgia

at 33 or so (about that time the black metal crowns went on) and now I'm 57

years old. Life has been SOOO hard. The whole medical field will NOT listen or

care in all these years of course.

AND the worst news yet, but might explain the problms some of you are having

with chelation. My dentist who has hated and fought mercury use for decades

told me today that the ADA is even upset now and wanting help from the FDA

because now they are finding that since in recent years a lot of the crown work

is been sent out to China, they have been placing crowns in people that are

contaminated with LEAD! About 80% of them. So that might be where people are

getting lead exposure and not knowing where its coming from. I suggest people

try and find out where the labs are where their crowns and bridges were made.

My dentist uses a local lab in our area that only uses precious metals, so the

work I've had done in the last two years is all ok. Thank God, as its costing a

fortune.

So, thats what I've learned about crowns so far. I will still have many

crowns left that I won't know if there is merc under them or not, will replace

two next year and two the year after. But I'm going to try and chelate after

these 3 are done, since these are the most suspect for having merc under them,

just to see if I can get going on some progress, I'm running out of time at my

age to even be able to hope for some good years left. Doing the work we've done

so far has helped, I dont' feel like I'm dying anymore, but I'm loaded with

mercury symptoms and need to do something as soon as possible. I can't afford to

replace all the crowns right now. If I run into probs chelating at very low

doses, I will assume its because of merc left under crowns and wait until I can

afford to get more out and then try again. Its taken me years to watch and

learn (others chelating the wrong way) and research everything and start this

expensive process, I knew going in it would take me 5 yrs to get it done, but I

figured hey, in 5 yrs I will be 5 yrs older either way, might as well be 5 yrs

older and have a huge load of less toxic metals in my mouth.

Sorry, this got so long.

Marcia

PS< I probably should post this to the AMC list also, so will do that.

Hi.

Could we do a survey?

I'm new, so stop me if it's already been done.

I'd like to see results of a survey of people on the list who have or used to

have crowns,

inlays and/or bridges.

I'd like to ask: " Of those who have or used to have crowns, inlays and/or

bridges, how

many chose to look beneath them for possible hidden amalgam? Of those who did

look

beneath them, how many people actually had amalgam remaining hidden under

their

crowns/inlays/bridges? "

I'd like to know details, also, on what type of crown or inlay or bridge was

involved. For

example, was it a Captek crown? Is it even possible to make a captek crown

while

amalgam remains on the original tooth?

This will help me (and others, I believe), with the cost-benefit analysis we

must do to

make dental decisions pre-chelation.

Thanks.

Abrenica

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi.

>

> Could we do a survey?

>

> I'm new, so stop me if it's already been done.

>

> I'd like to see results of a survey of people on the list who have

or used to have crowns,

> inlays and/or bridges.

>

> I'd like to ask: " Of those who have or used to have crowns, inlays

and/or bridges, how

> many chose to look beneath them for possible hidden amalgam? Of

those who did look

> beneath them, how many people actually had amalgam remaining hidden

under their

> crowns/inlays/bridges? "

>

I don't think that we need a survey to know that it is best to look

under crowns and bridges for hidden amalgam. Many people have been

hurt by starting chelation with hidden amalgam in their mouth and so

it is best to look for all possible sources no matter how many people

actually found amalgam there.

I'm not sure about inlays because I don't really know what they are.

Perhaps one of our dental experts does.

Look in the polls section to see if members can set up a poll. I

think the question would have to be simplified for that format. If a

poll is set up here I would appreciate it if the same poll is set up

in adult-metal-chelation so that possibly in the future some of the

dental topic will be discussed in that group so that this group can

get back to frequent-dose-chelation related topics.

J

> I'd like to know details, also, on what type of crown or inlay or

bridge was involved. For

> example, was it a Captek crown? Is it even possible to make a captek

crown while

> amalgam remains on the original tooth?

>

> This will help me (and others, I believe), with the cost-benefit

analysis we must do to

> make dental decisions pre-chelation.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Abrenica

>