Ok, expert friends..talk to me

August 15, 2005

In a message dated 8/15/2005 2:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

karima1@... writes:

Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been blocked but

verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am afraid to take any more bulk producing

stuff; I am

thinking it is turning to cement inside.

I was going but it was driving me to distraction wondering where the stuff

was.

Today I had a small can of prune juice and that moved a lot and then of

course I was struck with diarrhea.

What am I doing wrong?

Are you drinking water to keep the moisture in the colon??? Poor

thing...there just seems to be no happy medium once they mess with the colon...

Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

August 15, 2005

In a message dated 8/15/2005 2:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

karima1@... writes:

Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been blocked but

verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am afraid to take any more bulk producing

stuff; I am

thinking it is turning to cement inside.

I was going but it was driving me to distraction wondering where the stuff

was.

Today I had a small can of prune juice and that moved a lot and then of

course I was struck with diarrhea.

What am I doing wrong?

Are you drinking water to keep the moisture in the colon??? Poor

thing...there just seems to be no happy medium once they mess with the colon...

Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

August 15, 2005

Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been blocked but

verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff;

I am thinking it is turning to cement inside.

I was going but it was driving me to distraction wondering where the stuff was.

Today I had a small can of prune juice and that moved a lot and then of course I

was struck with diarrhea.

What am I doing wrong?

tearful Karima

August 15, 2005

Try Senekot

Narice

August 15, 2005

In a message dated 8/15/2005 6:18:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hilsshop@... writes:

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the bathroom

for the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or

diarrhea. I don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much

fiber

at all and the Metamucil did not help. If this continues I would definitely

discuss it with the Dr.

MOM = Milk of Magnesia

August 15, 2005

Thanks Donnelle. I am drinking water and I am always thirsty. Think I sweated

out gallons these past few days.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

In a message dated 8/15/2005 2:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

karima1@... writes:

Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been blocked but

verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am afraid to take any more bulk producing

stuff; I am

thinking it is turning to cement inside.

I was going but it was driving me to distraction wondering where the stuff

was.

Today I had a small can of prune juice and that moved a lot and then of

course I was struck with diarrhea.

What am I doing wrong?

Are you drinking water to keep the moisture in the colon??? Poor

thing...there just seems to be no happy medium once they mess with the

colon...

Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

August 15, 2005

Thanks Jolene. I think I am getting stressed out because of the sale of my

house, travelling to Washington by car next week and then flying to Albuquerque

the following weekend for a visit.

Say did we lose Ernie here???? I sure hope not.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Oh Karima my heart goes out to you. Just can't find a happy medium here.

I wish I could help.

Do you still have the diarrhea? if you moved good, then I would go back

to the regimen but adjust it somewhat so you don't get so constipated.

Just adjust it a tad and see how that goes. You aren't doing anything

wrong, you just have to try to be patient and find the regimen that

works for

you. Take care and God Bless and some big hugs Jolene

Barbara Gari wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been blocked but

> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am afraid to take any more bulk

> producing stuff; I am thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction wondering where the

> stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that moved a lot and then

> of course I was struck with diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

August 15, 2005

It could be from serveral things and most likely a

combination of several. The disease itself,

chemo,other meds, poor appetite, reduced fluid intake,

less exercise, etc. The fiber agents(sounds like

you're already taking that)help some people. One

suggestion you may want to try is taking a stool

softener (NOT a laxative). A softener will do just

that, soften the stool so it is easier to pass. A

laxative also stimulates bowel action and can cause

severe cramping and also create a dependency. Docusate

calcium(has several brand names) is a good one that

you can buy over the counter and if you buy a

generic(just check the label or ask your pharmacist,

for docusate calcium without other active ingredients)

it is usually very inexpensive also.

H

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

Hi ,

Thanks for your note. I was in the drugstore today looking for just a stool

softener but they all said laxative which I didn't want a steady diet of. I am

amazed at how the prune juice just flowed through taking the rest of the detris

with it.

Thanks again.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

It could be from serveral things and most likely a

combination of several. The disease itself,

chemo,other meds, poor appetite, reduced fluid intake,

less exercise, etc. The fiber agents(sounds like

you're already taking that)help some people. One

suggestion you may want to try is taking a stool

softener (NOT a laxative). A softener will do just

that, soften the stool so it is easier to pass. A

laxative also stimulates bowel action and can cause

severe cramping and also create a dependency. Docusate

calcium(has several brand names) is a good one that

you can buy over the counter and if you buy a

generic(just check the label or ask your pharmacist,

for docusate calcium without other active ingredients)

it is usually very inexpensive also.

H

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

Hi ,

Thanks for your note. I was in the drugstore today looking for just a stool

softener but they all said laxative which I didn't want a steady diet of. I am

amazed at how the prune juice just flowed through taking the rest of the detris

with it.

Thanks again.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

It could be from serveral things and most likely a

combination of several. The disease itself,

chemo,other meds, poor appetite, reduced fluid intake,

less exercise, etc. The fiber agents(sounds like

you're already taking that)help some people. One

suggestion you may want to try is taking a stool

softener (NOT a laxative). A softener will do just

that, soften the stool so it is easier to pass. A

laxative also stimulates bowel action and can cause

severe cramping and also create a dependency. Docusate

calcium(has several brand names) is a good one that

you can buy over the counter and if you buy a

generic(just check the label or ask your pharmacist,

for docusate calcium without other active ingredients)

it is usually very inexpensive also.

H

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

Hi ,

Thanks for your note. I was in the drugstore today looking for just a stool

softener but they all said laxative which I didn't want a steady diet of. I am

amazed at how the prune juice just flowed through taking the rest of the detris

with it.

Thanks again.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

It could be from serveral things and most likely a

combination of several. The disease itself,

chemo,other meds, poor appetite, reduced fluid intake,

less exercise, etc. The fiber agents(sounds like

you're already taking that)help some people. One

suggestion you may want to try is taking a stool

softener (NOT a laxative). A softener will do just

that, soften the stool so it is easier to pass. A

laxative also stimulates bowel action and can cause

severe cramping and also create a dependency. Docusate

calcium(has several brand names) is a good one that

you can buy over the counter and if you buy a

generic(just check the label or ask your pharmacist,

for docusate calcium without other active ingredients)

it is usually very inexpensive also.

H

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

The most common brand name for docusate calcium is

surfak but the brand name costs about 3 to 4 times as

much so I always buy generic. Just read the active

ingredient label, forget whatever else is on the label

for advertising purposes. I get dizzy looking at all

the ad labels!

H

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for your note. I was in the drugstore today

> looking for just a stool softener but they all said

> laxative which I didn't want a steady diet of. I am

> amazed at how the prune juice just flowed through

> taking the rest of the detris with it.

>

> Thanks again.

>

> Karima

> Re: Ok, expert

> friends..talk to me

>

> It could be from serveral things and most likely a

> combination of several. The disease itself,

> chemo,other meds, poor appetite, reduced fluid

> intake,

> less exercise, etc. The fiber agents(sounds like

> you're already taking that)help some people. One

> suggestion you may want to try is taking a stool

> softener (NOT a laxative). A softener will do just

> that, soften the stool so it is easier to pass. A

> laxative also stimulates bowel action and can

> cause

> severe cramping and also create a dependency.

> Docusate

> calcium(has several brand names) is a good one

> that

> you can buy over the counter and if you buy a

> generic(just check the label or ask your

> pharmacist,

> for docusate calcium without other active

> ingredients)

> it is usually very inexpensive also.

> H

>

> --- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

>

> > Constipation ... what causes it? I have not

> been

> > blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> > afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I

> am

> > thinking it is turning to cement inside.

> >

> > I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> > wondering where the stuff was.

> >

> > Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> > moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> > diarrhea.

> >

> > What am I doing wrong?

> >

> > tearful Karima

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

August 15, 2005

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the bathroom for

the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or diarrhea. I

don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much fiber at all

amd the mitimucil did not help. If this continues I would definitly discuss it

with the Dr.

Hil

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

Guess I will have a closet full soon.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Try Senekot

Narice

August 15, 2005

I have built up great resistance to " talking to the doctors " ...I suppose I will

get over it. Now MOM does what? I have not had the experience in the last 20

years of MOM; I guess that is because I rarely had probs in that area. It is so

confusing to live your life with the products you have no experience with like

fiber bulk (which i always got from veggies and then Immodium (when i never had

diarrhea).

So can I get one more back from you..........pweeze?

Karima the pest

August 15, 2005

I have built up great resistance to " talking to the doctors " ...I suppose I will

get over it. Now MOM does what? I have not had the experience in the last 20

years of MOM; I guess that is because I rarely had probs in that area. It is so

confusing to live your life with the products you have no experience with like

fiber bulk (which i always got from veggies and then Immodium (when i never had

diarrhea).

So can I get one more back from you..........pweeze?

Karima the pest

August 15, 2005

Can we take the tablets. I remember hating that stuff.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the bathroom for

the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or diarrhea. I

don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much fiber at all

amd the mitimucil did not help. If this continues I would definitly discuss it

with the Dr.

Hil

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

Can we take the tablets. I remember hating that stuff.

Karima

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the bathroom for

the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or diarrhea. I

don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much fiber at all

amd the mitimucil did not help. If this continues I would definitly discuss it

with the Dr.

Hil

--- Barbara Gari karima1@...> wrote:

> Constipation ... what causes it? I have not been

> blocked but verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow. I am

> afraid to take any more bulk producing stuff; I am

> thinking it is turning to cement inside.

>

> I was going but it was driving me to distraction

> wondering where the stuff was.

>

> Today I had a small can of prune juice and that

> moved a lot and then of course I was struck with

> diarrhea.

>

> What am I doing wrong?

>

> tearful Karima

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

August 15, 2005

I take the Cherry flavor and it is not bad at all. I was keeping it in fridge

and thought that it made it taste better but all this time I had not read the

bottle that said keep at room temp. Now I do but it seems to work fine when I

did. Believe me it has worked find all day:)

Hil

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the bathroom

for the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or

diarrhea. I don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much

fiber at all amd the mitimucil did not help. If this continues I would definitly

discuss it with the Dr.

Hil

August 15, 2005

It is plain old Milk of Magnesia. I don't know that it prevents diarrhea but it

is the only thing I can take to keep me cleaned out very gently. I don't even

take a whole dose of it. Because my stricture is so tight I have a hard time

going and don't dare take a laxative as it can't get out the small opening and

makes me very ill. If I have a Dr appt I take immodium so I don't go and can

make the appt. I can only pass small amounts at a time so I make many trips to

bathroom but hardly ever diarrhea. After my surgery two years ago I had constant

diarrhea for long time and went to bathroom about every half hour day and night.

It took awhile for actual stools to start forming. I also had infection so that

may have been part of the problem. I am scared of this surgery Monday but

thought at least it would solve my bathroom problem so I could go out of the

house eventually without worrying. Well surgeon took that thought away. He said

because he is going to have to take more rectum I will still be going frequent

small amounts but it will be easier.

Because the laxatives make me so sick I will start on clear liquid diet Friday

and just one oz of the fleet every morning for three days. Actually I am going

to start Thursday and take just half of oz to see if it is going to really make

me sick. As each day passes I get more nervous. I know it is important to be

cleaned out good. That may be what caused my infection last time as he said I

was not as I had a blockage and also a abscess in colon. I have diviticulitis

bad but it has never bothered me.

Hil

Re: Ok, expert friends..talk to me

Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going to the

bathroom for the past year and the only thing that does not cause me cramping or

diarrhea. I don't even take a full dose. My soft food diet does not allow much

fiber at all amd the mitimucil did not help. If this continues I would definitly

discuss it with the Dr.

Hil

August 16, 2005

Hil, You are in my thoughts and your upcoming surgery. I am Praying

that it is not difficult for you and all goes well.

Will someone be able to post to let us know how your doing? Ingrid

> It is plain old Milk of Magnesia. I don't know that it prevents

diarrhea but it is the only thing I can take to keep me cleaned out

very gently. I don't even take a whole dose of it. Because my

stricture is so tight I have a hard time going and don't dare take a

laxative as it can't get out the small opening and makes me very ill.

If I have a Dr appt I take immodium so I don't go and can make the

appt. I can only pass small amounts at a time so I make many trips to

bathroom but hardly ever diarrhea. After my surgery two years ago I

had constant diarrhea for long time and went to bathroom about every

half hour day and night. It took awhile for actual stools to start

forming. I also had infection so that may have been part of the

problem. I am scared of this surgery Monday but thought at least it

would solve my bathroom problem so I could go out of the house

eventually without worrying. Well surgeon took that thought away. He

said because he is going to have to take more rectum I will still be

going frequent small amounts but it will be easier.

> Because the laxatives make me so sick I will start on clear liquid

diet Friday and just one oz of the fleet every morning for three

days. Actually I am going to start Thursday and take just half of oz

to see if it is going to really make me sick. As each day passes I

get more nervous. I know it is important to be cleaned out good. That

may be what caused my infection last time as he said I was not as I

had a blockage and also a abscess in colon. I have diviticulitis bad

but it has never bothered me.

>

> Hil

> Re: Ok, expert

friends..talk to me

>

> Try some MOM. It is the only thing that has kept me going

to the bathroom for the past year and the only thing that does not

cause me cramping or diarrhea. I don't even take a full dose. My soft

food diet does not allow much fiber at all amd the mitimucil did not

help. If this continues I would definitly discuss it with the Dr.

>

> Hil

>

August 16, 2005