Re: Re: Getting DMSA or DMPS prescribed/ Arsenic

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In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote:

Thanks Jackie. I decided to order it online.

-----------That's what I used to do. But since you are in the Seattle area, I

thought I would mention , because she works with Andy and will prescribe

DMPS, if you ever want to try it, or need help with adrenals or other problems.

It is certainly fine to do this without a doctor if you feel you can, but if you

ever feel you need help or need a prescription like DMPS, I would recommend

her.----------Jackie

Though I have to wait

until after the first week in January as this is when my last

amalgams will be removed. At least I don't think that I can start

DMSA until then, is this correct?

-------Yes. Absolutely NO chelators until all amalgam is

removed.-------Jackie

I know that I need to wait 3

months after the last amalgam removal before I can use ALA.

-----------Correct. And some of us have had to wait longer due to too many

symptoms. So start at a low dose.--------Jackie

Good to know about the ALA, I must have mixed up using ALA

incorrectly with using ALA correctly. At first I figured ALA

wouldn't be very good at chelating as it only has one thiol (-SH)

group, but I see that the body converts it into Dihydrolipoic acid

which indeed has two thiols and thus would be better at grabbing onto

the mercury.

---------And it is the only chelator that will cross the BBB and detox your

brain.----Jackie

Also, I noticed that you said you had mercury and arsenic. Did you

find that the DMSA or ALA helped with removing the arsenic as well?

---------DMSA is not supposed to be effective for arsenic, it is best for lead

and mercury. ALA and DMPS are supposed to be better for arsenic, ALA being the

most effective, per Andy. I started this chelation journey on my own, so began

with DMSA only, and could only tolerate low doses for a long time. My personal

goal was to hit 25mg of DMSA before adding in ALA. I have had a very bumpy road

with tons of family stress and other medical problems, so I don't consider

myself a normal case, and things kept happening that kept me from trying ALA,

until last month. I tried 6mg and it knocked me out. So I think I'm still not

ready for it yet. I have started using DMPS, so will do some rounds of that

alone before trying ALA again. But I believe the ALA was effective against the

arsenic, since it caused me so many symptoms.---------Jackie

Have you had testing since you started chelating to see if your hair

levels have improved?

-----------I did a hair test before amalgam removal, which showed arsenic in

the red, but it is one of them that can go up with mercury, and I knew ALA

should take care of it, so I didn't worry about it too much at first. I did a

second hair test 2 years later, last February, and my arsenic was higher, all

the way to the right! So I believe I lowered my body burden of mercury while

chelating with DMSA during this time, but I didn't address the arsenic yet, and

it showed. So now I am taking the arsenic much more seriously.-----------Jackie

What do you think the source for arsenic might

be?

-----------In my case, it was my well water. Arsenic is naturally occurring

in different parts of the country and gets into the water. Just google arsenic

in well water or drinking water, or go to your state's Department of Health or

Pollution Control Agency websites, and you'll find info there. The new " safe "

limit for arenic is 10ppb in drinking water, and mine was 7. Since I'm probably

a poor excretor of heavy metals, this was enough to cause a problem for me. It

also showed up in my kids' hair test. My second hair test scared me, and

prompted me to get a water distiller for our drinking and cooking water. So I

haven't done another hair test yet since doing this, and will be curious to see

if it goes down.---------Jackie

I found it pretty strange that I had arsenic at all, being in

the hair would make me believe that my body burden is high or that I

had a recent exposure, but I cannot for the life of me figure out

what it would have been.

---------Do you have HTI? Andy lists other possible sources in there too, and

I think he said in some cases it is hard to track down the source. Treated

lumber used to have arsenic in it and also ant traps. I guess chicken can have

it, because it is put in their feed to kill pests. How high is your arsenic?

My last test was .30.------Jackie

Thanks,

Mike

> -----------I don't know if I have ever heard anyone say they

bought it OTC. I think everyone orders it online, like from VRP,

etc. If you are in the Seattle area, then I would suggest you think

about going to see . She is recommended by Andy, and

will also prescribe DMPS, if you'd like to try that. She also

understands alot of other things, like adrenal issues.

www.npjulie.com ------Jackie

> --------ALA is tricky, because it can redistribute if used

improperly, especially since it crosses the BBB. It is actually the

workhorse chelator, as puts it, and is actually the only

essential chelator necessary. The other chelators can help by

reducing symptoms, lowering body burden, and speeding up chelation

somewhat. If your body burden is still high, then using ALA may put

more mercury back into your brain, so that's why we start with the

other chelators alone, to lower body burden. After that, ALA is the

only *necessary* chelator, if you can tolerate taking it by itself.

Some people feel best on ALA alone, and others say taking DMSA or

DMPS with it reduces side effects.---------Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

Thanks for all of your answers/comments Jackie.

--------Your welcome.-------Jackie

I do have HTI, but none of the sources there seemed like ones that

would have me showing up with arsenic in my hair given my contact with

them. The water I drink is from the City of Redmond and according to

their website they check for arsenic and it was low, below the required

levels for saftey (what ever that means).

---------Do they give an actual number? The EPA safe limit used to be 50ppb.

It is/was supposed to be changed to 10ppb, but I think I read a blurb where Bush

was going to reverse this. So I think I would ask them for an actual number.

My well was only 7ppb, but since I'm a poor excretor of metals, it's enough to

cause me problems.--------Jackie

I had heard about chicken,

someone mentioned this and that they thought once the news was more

well known that folks were going to be in trouble, specfically the

organic foods groups as they used things that would contain arsenic. I

think I also remember rice being a problem, specifically from countries

that don't do very good regulation of it's foodstuff (not that ours

seems to be doing any better).

My level is a lot lower than yours, it was high with in the green,

almost yellow, but considering the rest of the results I wasn't

expecting it to show much of anything.

-----------Do you meet the counting rules for mercury? On page 86 of HTI, it

says that, " Part of the derangement of mineral transport that mercury induces is

to cause the body to retain higher levels of certain minerals than it might

otherwise. " And arsenic is one of them. So your level might just be an

artifact of the mercury. I think Andy has said that when you have deranged

mineral transport, then the results of the toxic elements don't mean that much,

unless they are very elevated. So yours being in the green probably isn't that

significant. And remember, ALA will chelate arsenic as well as mercury, so you

will eventually get it out.-------Jackie

Thanks again,

Mike

> ---------Do you have HTI? Andy lists other possible sources in

there too, and I think he said in some cases it is hard to track down

the source. Treated lumber used to have arsenic in it and also ant

traps. I guess chicken can have it, because it is put in their feed to

kill pests. How high is your arsenic? My last test was .30.------

Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Here are the numbers.

ARSENIC ppb 0.6 (average) 0-2 (range)

Source:

http://www.redmond.gov/insidecityhall/publicworks/pdfs/Waterbrochure20

06.pdf

Doesn't seem like much. Though as you said if one is a poor excretor

of metals it can cause problems no matter the level.

----------No it doesn't seem like much, much lower than mine, so I wouldn't be

overly concerned about it. And as long as you eventually plan on chelating with

ALA, it should take care of any arsenic you do have. And Andy says that once

you get rid of the mercury, that your body does a much better job of getting rid

of the other metals by itself. So you're on the right track.-------Jackie

Well, I don't meet the counting rules here are the results:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-

chelation/message/20482

But said this:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-

chelation/message/20484

And Andy said this:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-

chelation/message/20860

I'm still having the amalgams removed no matter what and I plan on

Chelating with DMSA after that for 3 months and then adding or

replacing with ALA.

--------Sounds like a good plan. All hair tests aren't totally definitive,

and supplementing can affect the results, and some people aren't as susceptible

to mineral derangement as others. And remember, your hair test doesn't go from

looking totally normal one day to meeting the counting rules the next. I know

in the Autism-Mercury group, there were kids who didn't meet the counting rules

before chelation, but did meet them after starting chelation, and they did

improve with chelation, so it's not always cut and dry.---------Jackie

Thanks,

Mike

> ---------Do they give an actual number? The EPA safe limit used

to be 50ppb. It is/was supposed to be changed to 10ppb, but I think

I read a blurb where Bush was going to reverse this. So I think I

would ask them for an actual number. My well was only 7ppb, but

since I'm a poor excretor of metals, it's enough to cause me

problems.--------Jackie

>

>

> -----------Do you meet the counting rules for mercury? On page

86 of HTI, it says that, " Part of the derangement of mineral

transport that mercury induces is to cause the body to retain higher

levels of certain minerals than it might otherwise. " And arsenic is

one of them. So your level might just be an artifact of the

mercury. I think Andy has said that when you have deranged mineral

transport, then the results of the toxic elements don't mean that

much, unless they are very elevated. So yours being in the green

probably isn't that significant. And remember, ALA will chelate

arsenic as well as mercury, so you will eventually get it out.-------

Jackie

>

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