Re: Advice on 7-KETO (DHEA) effects please

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed

I have been on 7 Keto Dhea and pregnenolone for 4 months and do not

think I have had any negative symptoms particularly being colder

I stopped taking adrenal cortex as I sensed it was giving me some

bad " achey, a little more anxiety and head fog experiences. I think

someone mentioned a week or so back that adrenal cortex has sulfates

or something to do with sulfates and I seem to not be able to handle

these

Also, I could not take tyrosine as it wired me up made me feel

agitated

>

> I started to take 7-KETO DHEA about 10 days ago. I am having both

good

> and bad effects from it and would like any comments from people who

> know more.

>

> I have general low adrenal and thyroid symptoms and my test results

> are the low end of the range for everything (particularly DHEA when

> you consider I am a 31 yr old male, for my age it should be nearer

to

> the top)

>

> The only other endocrine support I take is Adrenal Cortex (besides a

> lot of supplelemts, like tyrosine, etc).

>

> I liked the idea of 7-keto because I am trying to stay away from the

> Rx adrenal and thyroid meds and also thought it would be better than

> normal DHEA because the 7-keto form is not supposed to mess with sex

> hormones. I have not tried normal DHEA.

>

> The biggest positive gain from the 7-keto is my bloating and general

> weight gain around the mid-section has gone down. I can now fit into

> my pants loosely again!! Also, my energy throughout the day is more

> constant, without a big drop off for a few hours in the afternoon.

> Work stress seems easier too.These are positive results I really

don't

> want to give up

>

> The negative results seem to be hypo-thyroid exaggeration. My

average

> body temp (which did go up slightly the first couple of days on

> 7-Keto) has dropped about 0.5C!! I am cold all the time now. My body

> temps used to be 36.5-36.7C. Now it is 35.9-36.0). My dry skin and

dry

> eyes are even worse, painfully worse

>

> Any ideas? Anyone been through this?

> I have a few thoughts:

>

> 1) Just stop taking the 7-Keto or try DHEA instead (any reason DHEA

> might work better?)

> 2) if in fact the 7-KETO is causing my hypothyroid symptoms to be

> worse, do more support for the thyroid

> 3) Do I need to take more 7-KETO? I take 25mg 3x's/day. The bottle

> recommends 75mg 3x's/day

>

> Thanks for any ideas or comments.

> -Ed

>

[Guest guest]

Ed,

I've been working through adrenal issues with another yahoo adrenal

group and I've noticed (through other people and myself) that adrenal

support (be it dhea/cortisol/etc) can make people more hypoT.

Why? It must have to do with adrenal support allowing the body to be

more effective with processing the thyroid hormone. So when the

adrenals are supported, they can handle more thyroid demand. There is

probably an in depth explanation on

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenals

Any particular reason you want to stay away from adrenal/thyroid

hormones? I know I couldn't live without replacing those important

hormones in my body...

Tasia

[Guest guest]

Ed,

I've been working through adrenal issues with another yahoo adrenal

group and I've noticed (through other people and myself) that adrenal

support (be it dhea/cortisol/etc) can make people more hypoT.

Why? It must have to do with adrenal support allowing the body to be

more effective with processing the thyroid hormone. So when the

adrenals are supported, they can handle more thyroid demand. There is

probably an in depth explanation on

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenals

Any particular reason you want to stay away from adrenal/thyroid

hormones? I know I couldn't live without replacing those important

hormones in my body...

Tasia

[Guest guest]

Ed wrote:

> I liked the idea of 7-keto because I am trying to stay away from the

> Rx adrenal and thyroid meds and also thought it would be better than

> normal DHEA because the 7-keto form is not supposed to mess with sex

> hormones. I have not tried normal DHEA.

I don't believe this is true---that 7-keto does not convert to testosterone and

estrogen.

If you are unsure, you can do some baseline testing, saliva, for your hormones

and track it.

Dr. Lee has a booklet on balancing men's hormones, available for purchase

at his web

site.

[Guest guest]

Ed wrote:

> I liked the idea of 7-keto because I am trying to stay away from the

> Rx adrenal and thyroid meds and also thought it would be better than

> normal DHEA because the 7-keto form is not supposed to mess with sex

> hormones. I have not tried normal DHEA.

I don't believe this is true---that 7-keto does not convert to testosterone and

estrogen.

If you are unsure, you can do some baseline testing, saliva, for your hormones

and track it.

Dr. Lee has a booklet on balancing men's hormones, available for purchase

at his web

site.

[Guest guest]

and Ed

Sulfation and 7 Keto DHEA

--------------------------

I do not know a lot about the inner workings of 7 Keto DHEA other

than it works for me and regular DHEA does not. My understanding is

that for me anyway it has something to do with the sulfatation defect

that I have and how regular DHEA effects this. Please see AI page

111

7 Keto DHEA and testosterone/estrogen

--------------------------------------

As it relates to 7 Keto DHEA. There is an advertsisemnt in a life

extension magazine (http://www.lifeextension.com that says...

" Since 7 Keto DHEA does not convert to estrogen or testoserone, it

can be used by those with these type of hormone-sensitive cancers.:

Life extension mag is a great source of new health and medical

findings from around the world. It has some amazing articles

> I liked the idea of 7-keto because I am trying to stay away from

> the Rx adrenal and thyroid meds and also thought it would be

> better than normal DHEA because the 7-keto form is not supposed to

> mess with sex hormones. I have not tried normal DHEA.

>

Per

--- I don't believe this is true---that 7-keto does not convert to

--- testosterone and estrogen.

--- If you are unsure, you can do some baseline testing, saliva, for -

--- your hormones and track it.

--- Dr. Lee has a booklet on balancing men's hormones,

--- available for purchase at his web

--- site.

---

[Guest guest]

and Ed

Sulfation and 7 Keto DHEA

--------------------------

I do not know a lot about the inner workings of 7 Keto DHEA other

than it works for me and regular DHEA does not. My understanding is

that for me anyway it has something to do with the sulfatation defect

that I have and how regular DHEA effects this. Please see AI page

111

7 Keto DHEA and testosterone/estrogen

--------------------------------------

As it relates to 7 Keto DHEA. There is an advertsisemnt in a life

extension magazine (http://www.lifeextension.com that says...

" Since 7 Keto DHEA does not convert to estrogen or testoserone, it

can be used by those with these type of hormone-sensitive cancers.:

Life extension mag is a great source of new health and medical

findings from around the world. It has some amazing articles

> I liked the idea of 7-keto because I am trying to stay away from

> the Rx adrenal and thyroid meds and also thought it would be

> better than normal DHEA because the 7-keto form is not supposed to

> mess with sex hormones. I have not tried normal DHEA.

>

Per

--- I don't believe this is true---that 7-keto does not convert to

--- testosterone and estrogen.

--- If you are unsure, you can do some baseline testing, saliva, for -

--- your hormones and track it.

--- Dr. Lee has a booklet on balancing men's hormones,

--- available for purchase at his web

--- site.

---

[Guest guest]

Hey Tasia-

My experience definately shows that more adrenal support magnifies

hypothyroid issues, at least in me. Thanks for confirming that.

Two reasons I don't want to take thyroid hormones:

1) If I can avoid it, I'd rather not, because I don't want to become

dependant on them and more importantly, when I am well in the future,

I don't want to have to try to come off the thyroid meds. However, if

I could solve my number 2 reason, I would be more willing to try

them....

2) I can't find a doctor will to work through thyroid meds with me.

My current holistic doc thinks my thyroid is low, but not low enough

to give me Rx meds. She will only recommend natural supplements,

which I already take. I have gone through a lot of docs where I live

(Auckland) and I'm with the overall best doc. Also, I am moving

(internationally) in 6 weeks, so even if I could get thyroid meds, I

would have to change when I move and find a new doc, etc.......so

I'll wait and hope I can get a doc in the new place to help with

thyroid Rx's. I'm relocating to the Northwest US, so I'll probably

try to see there once I can.

-Ed

>

> Ed,

> I've been working through adrenal issues with another yahoo

adrenal

> group and I've noticed (through other people and myself) that

adrenal

> support (be it dhea/cortisol/etc) can make people more hypoT.

>

> Why? It must have to do with adrenal support allowing the body to be

> more effective with processing the thyroid hormone. So when the

> adrenals are supported, they can handle more thyroid demand. There

is

> probably an in depth explanation on

>

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenals

>

> Any particular reason you want to stay away from adrenal/thyroid

> hormones? I know I couldn't live without replacing those important

> hormones in my body...

>

> Tasia

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Tasia-

>

> My experience definately shows that more adrenal support magnifies

> hypothyroid issues, at least in me. Thanks for confirming that.

>

Too little cortisol, or too much cortisol will interfere with thyroid.

T4 to T3 conversion, and T3 uptake into the tissues requires adequate cortisol.

Not too

much, not too little. Thyroid and cortisol (and sex hormones) are all

connected.