Re: GENERAL-- Vertigo?

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

Vertigo is often related to hypothyroidism. And thyroid antibodies contribute

to vertigo. One study of vertigo patients showed thyroid antibodies as the

common element. I've found a number of abstracts related to this for two

other patients who are having similar problems. I don't have the URL handy

for the most pertinent abstract, but you can find it on Pub Med, " A

relationship between autoimmune thyroiditis and benign paroxysmal positional

vertigo, " Modugno GC, Pirodda A, et al, Med Hypothyses 2000, Apr;54(4);614-5

Take care, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I just got in. You poor thing. This sure sounds sorta familiar.

If you T4 is below registering, that is the number I would be looking at. So

this means hypo, but I thought just awhile back you thought you were hyper.

??? Was this from symptoms or labs ?

When we are hypo the body does not process ANYTHING at normal speed. Way too

slow. If I take a pill full strength when I am hypo I am badly over dosed

and it takes forever to wear off. I wonder if the wine was still affecting

you somewhat ? How long had it been ?

What is your pulse and BP ?

When I am hypo mine goes way up and causes horrid symptoms, including

vertigo. Bad enough I am very careful at all times not to step close to any

kind of edge, and I hang on and slow way down at all stairs. It also caused

panic and anxiety and it was hard to breath all the time. Does your face and

upper chest get bright red with any exertion ?

Once I was on meds for the BP about half of my nasty symptoms went away. In

fact I am still a tiny bit puzzled at what the BP meds did and what the

replacement hormone did, though I am mostly clear. I only say this because I

am wondering why you do not want to take beta blockers IF they are needed.

Was the spinning like a panic attack ? Have you ever had bad panic attacks ?

They can be caused from hypo among other reasons.

-Pam L-

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I just got in. You poor thing. This sure sounds sorta familiar.

If you T4 is below registering, that is the number I would be looking at. So

this means hypo, but I thought just awhile back you thought you were hyper.

??? Was this from symptoms or labs ?

When we are hypo the body does not process ANYTHING at normal speed. Way too

slow. If I take a pill full strength when I am hypo I am badly over dosed

and it takes forever to wear off. I wonder if the wine was still affecting

you somewhat ? How long had it been ?

What is your pulse and BP ?

When I am hypo mine goes way up and causes horrid symptoms, including

vertigo. Bad enough I am very careful at all times not to step close to any

kind of edge, and I hang on and slow way down at all stairs. It also caused

panic and anxiety and it was hard to breath all the time. Does your face and

upper chest get bright red with any exertion ?

Once I was on meds for the BP about half of my nasty symptoms went away. In

fact I am still a tiny bit puzzled at what the BP meds did and what the

replacement hormone did, though I am mostly clear. I only say this because I

am wondering why you do not want to take beta blockers IF they are needed.

Was the spinning like a panic attack ? Have you ever had bad panic attacks ?

They can be caused from hypo among other reasons.

-Pam L-

[Guest guest]

> Hi Val,

Hi Pam thanks for replying.

> I just got in. You poor thing. This sure sounds sorta familiar.

> If you T4 is below registering, that is the number I would be looking at. So

> this means hypo, but I thought just awhile back you thought you were hyper.

> ??? Was this from symptoms or labs ?

Hyper was from labs, last month. Hypo though, has been the norm.

> When we are hypo the body does not process ANYTHING at normal speed. Way too

> slow. If I take a pill full strength when I am hypo I am badly over dosed

> and it takes forever to wear off. I wonder if the wine was still affecting

> you somewhat ? How long had it been ?

Hubby took me to ER around 11. and the wince was between 8-9.

> What is your pulse and BP ?

Pulse has been through the roof! The last 3 weeks, it's been over 100

resting. GP today said I have to take those beta blockers even though

I am resisting. Last thing I want right now is to add those side

effects into the mix. I'm not sure about BP..

> Was the spinning like a panic attack ? Have you ever had bad panic attacks ?

> They can be caused from hypo among other reasons.

I have had panic attacks I used to have really bad ones, but not for

years. The spinning was nothing like that. It was the oddest thing, I

couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't close them, I was vomiting but

couldn't see where I was aiming (sorry graphic!) It was horrible. I

couldn't tell where I was, and hubby got me in the car and to the ER

but I don't remember much of it..I was just mumbling crazy style,

saying things like...soooo....dizzy....can't....see... like a maniac.

I really hope this doesn't happen again, but just in case the wine

had any part of it, I am not having a DROP.

talk to you later,

Val

[Guest guest]

> Hi Val,

Hi Pam thanks for replying.

> I just got in. You poor thing. This sure sounds sorta familiar.

> If you T4 is below registering, that is the number I would be looking at. So

> this means hypo, but I thought just awhile back you thought you were hyper.

> ??? Was this from symptoms or labs ?

Hyper was from labs, last month. Hypo though, has been the norm.

> When we are hypo the body does not process ANYTHING at normal speed. Way too

> slow. If I take a pill full strength when I am hypo I am badly over dosed

> and it takes forever to wear off. I wonder if the wine was still affecting

> you somewhat ? How long had it been ?

Hubby took me to ER around 11. and the wince was between 8-9.

> What is your pulse and BP ?

Pulse has been through the roof! The last 3 weeks, it's been over 100

resting. GP today said I have to take those beta blockers even though

I am resisting. Last thing I want right now is to add those side

effects into the mix. I'm not sure about BP..

> Was the spinning like a panic attack ? Have you ever had bad panic attacks ?

> They can be caused from hypo among other reasons.

I have had panic attacks I used to have really bad ones, but not for

years. The spinning was nothing like that. It was the oddest thing, I

couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't close them, I was vomiting but

couldn't see where I was aiming (sorry graphic!) It was horrible. I

couldn't tell where I was, and hubby got me in the car and to the ER

but I don't remember much of it..I was just mumbling crazy style,

saying things like...soooo....dizzy....can't....see... like a maniac.

I really hope this doesn't happen again, but just in case the wine

had any part of it, I am not having a DROP.

talk to you later,

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi Val, if the hawthorne is not cutting it, then take the beta blockers! The

last thing you need to do is damage your heart. Your new endo had better be

able to figure out your labs regardless of being on bb's or not.

My question is why was your T4 not showing up????????????? That is scary.

Well the ER docs sound scary too. Jerks.

Hang in there, and take the betas if you need them. But sheesh, why is your

T4 not showing up?????

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Val,

When we take the CORRECT amount of beta blocker we do NOT have side effects.

Get a BP monitor and test off and on many times a day, take notes, find the

right amount of BB for YOU. I also used my BP monitor to check my reactions

to food ! If I had iodine or hidden MSG, the BP went right up.

Be sure you get a BB that can be broken in bits, and you can find the right

dose. Many are time release and you can NOT do this.

-Pam L - who has my 1 1/2 glasses of wine each Thanksgiving between 4:15 and

maybe 5:15 and when hypo the last few years did not feel it wear off till

about 9:30 to 10 at night, and still felt tired from it through the next

day. Easy to remember because we always have dinner the same time, and later

on Thanksgiving I turn the TV on...I know something will be on about 9. And

I am not in the mood to do anything else.

( yes, she does watch TV on occasion :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

So Sorry to hear about ER trip,how miserable!! My aunt(who has GD) has been

to the ER several times with Vertigo,couldn't stand up and kept vomiting.

They told her it wasn't anything to do with her thyroid,how frustrating that

must have been for her. Thought I would let you know. It has to have

SOMEthing to do with the thyroid.

Hope & Pray you feel better soon! Jen

[Guest guest]

>>>When we take the CORRECT amount of beta blocker we do NOT have side

effects.<<<

Pam L., I believe Val is worried most about the BB blocking the conversion

of T4 to T3 and skewing her labs for her new endo... plus, if you are hypo,

taking a BB would make life even more sluggish, wouldn't it? Hers is such a

confusing case with the hyper/hypo thing going on... could her thryroid be

burning out finally?

Val, correct me if I'm wrong about the reason you are worried about the BB.

hu?

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam and Val,

Here is the part of Pam B's post I want to reply to;

* worried most about the BB blocking the conversion

of T4 to T3 and skewing her labs for her new endo... plus, if you are hypo,

taking a BB would make life even more sluggish, wouldn't it?*

Val, I was thinking it is because you were on too much in the past, and do

not want a repeat.

If it is the T3 reading not showing right, that is easily enough understood

by a good doctor. Plus, you can take it into consideration yourself when

viewing your new results.

Is it Propanenol ? This is the only one I am sure helps block this

conversation.

As far as betas making us worse when hypo. I must say the minute I took my

new BP meds, while still very hypo I felt SO MUCH better ! The symptoms of

high BP do not seem to be listed anywhere. In fact they all say there are NO

symptoms. I beg to differ.

As soon as my new BP meds had about 45 min to work, that burning tongue

thing I had was 75% better, and I was SO LESS dizzy, I wanted to dance for

joy. AND my mind started working better with MUCH less anxiety.

I also stopped the horrid sweating for the most part. I cooled off and only

sweated when working hard.

I immediately was able to DO things, instead of sit and freak out and be so

exhausted I didn't want to move.

Having the lack of fear of a stroke or heart attack at any minute was part

of it, but there were more subtle things too. OH...and I found I was not

shaky at the least disturbance.

-Pam L- at least that is how it happened here.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam and Pam,

I am worried about the BB's scewing my labs, but I think I need them..

Here's what really has me worried though, could I have had a mini

stroke last night? I couldn't speak and it was really strange.

Now I've got to thinking about it and I am kind of freaking out.

What do you guys think?

Val

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh !

Val,

I had not even thought that far.

We need to start searching and see what a mini stroke is for SURE.

-Pam L -

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh !

Val,

I had not even thought that far.

We need to start searching and see what a mini stroke is for SURE.

-Pam L -

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh !

Val,

I had not even thought that far.

We need to start searching and see what a mini stroke is for SURE.

-Pam L -

[Guest guest]

Plus...

The BB will not affect the FT4 and TSH this next appt. It will only show the

T3 a bit lower, so it can all be taken into consideration.

This would be a very common 'consideration', as most all of us on ATDs are

also on BB in the beginning. I was on then for...ummm...about a year ?

The only thing we did was take T3 soon after I was off the BB to be sure how

it was going to behave. It went up the tiniest bit. Not really enough to

make any difference.

-Pam L-

[Guest guest]

Plus...

The BB will not affect the FT4 and TSH this next appt. It will only show the

T3 a bit lower, so it can all be taken into consideration.

This would be a very common 'consideration', as most all of us on ATDs are

also on BB in the beginning. I was on then for...ummm...about a year ?

The only thing we did was take T3 soon after I was off the BB to be sure how

it was going to behave. It went up the tiniest bit. Not really enough to

make any difference.

-Pam L-

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I have been reading and I've got to tell you, I'm a little bit

worried.

I am hoping it was just vertigo, but I really don't know now..

It's late though, and I don't know if I should try to go back to the

doctor, or call my GP or what? Or if I should just let it slide for

tonight.

My hubby has a big software launch tonight and is working, so I am

alone and freaking out a bit.

Val

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I have been reading and I've got to tell you, I'm a little bit

worried.

I am hoping it was just vertigo, but I really don't know now..

It's late though, and I don't know if I should try to go back to the

doctor, or call my GP or what? Or if I should just let it slide for

tonight.

My hubby has a big software launch tonight and is working, so I am

alone and freaking out a bit.

Val

[Guest guest]

Val, I think you should take the BB and I think you should ask your GP if a

stroke is possible... and then maybe see if you can get the GP to call the

new endo and see if he can see you even sooner than the 6th.

Hugs,

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I've been taking the BB today, I have Atenonol, it can be split up.

I called my hubby and he BEGGED me to relax and not worry..between

last night and today I have seen 2 doctors, one of them would have

caught something like that I hope.

Anyhow, if I need to, I can go back to the ER, my neighbor and best

friend is on stand by tonight if I need something.

Val

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I've been taking the BB today, I have Atenonol, it can be split up.

I called my hubby and he BEGGED me to relax and not worry..between

last night and today I have seen 2 doctors, one of them would have

caught something like that I hope.

Anyhow, if I need to, I can go back to the ER, my neighbor and best

friend is on stand by tonight if I need something.

Val

[Guest guest]

Val,

When my BP is too high, worry and making the worry worse makes it go WAY up.

I think you got a halter monitor..right? Does it show YOU any info ?

Of check your pulse . Did you take a BB or did the stroke info say not too ?

You can send me a link if there is a good one.

Seems the answer is to get your heart slowed down as soon as possible.

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Heart rate now is in the high 70's..I am feeling good about that, I went

and put on my monitor. I don't actually have a blood pressure cuff,

and I feel cunfused about how to read and understand BP.

The info on mini strokes or TIA's was stuff I found on webmd. I am

thinking that the eye pains, the headaches, the stuff going on lately

has all been hypo, I'm sure if it was a mini stroke my GP at least

would have said something, I DO trust her, and she's good. She's the

one who originally figured out I had a thyroid problem, even though

she doesn't know a lot about it.

I think the BB is key right now, I am going to take them religiously

until my appt. I have to, seems like it could be life or death.

Thanks for all the support, It has been a rough few days.

Val

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Heart rate now is in the high 70's..I am feeling good about that, I went

and put on my monitor. I don't actually have a blood pressure cuff,

and I feel cunfused about how to read and understand BP.

The info on mini strokes or TIA's was stuff I found on webmd. I am

thinking that the eye pains, the headaches, the stuff going on lately

has all been hypo, I'm sure if it was a mini stroke my GP at least

would have said something, I DO trust her, and she's good. She's the

one who originally figured out I had a thyroid problem, even though

she doesn't know a lot about it.

I think the BB is key right now, I am going to take them religiously

until my appt. I have to, seems like it could be life or death.

Thanks for all the support, It has been a rough few days.

Val

[Guest guest]

Val,

I looked a bit and started freaking out too. Sheesh. I am sure you would

have given both the doctors today exactly what happened, so I agree they

would have looked into it if it seemed like a possibility at all.

High 70's sounds good. Assuming that is where you should be normally.

One thing...if you panic and it starts going up, the thing I found helped

the most, was stopping everything, and laying with my feet elevated. Of

coarse deep breathing and meditation type thoughts. I also seriously

visualized my heart and saw a full picture of it, and focus on slowing it

done, and watching it become calm. Then allowed my full body to feel the

warm comfort of the increasing slowing. You can feel it slowly on each sq

inch of skin.

Repeat as often as needed.

Do not allow any thing in your mind that will cause worry. If you feel

anxiety and worry start...say STOP...out loud if needed...to make it

stop...then focus on a calm or interesting thought pattern.

Once the heart was slowed each time, I consciously started a fun or calm

activity, and this helped until I let my mind go back to worry. I need more

practice, but it does work...any lowering is good.

-Pam L-