Re: ACE Adrenal Cortex Dosing

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In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote:

I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

I was wondering what the proper protocol to follow is. I read

somewhere not to take any after noon, but also saw some people taking

3 times per day?

----------I have been experimenting with it recently also. I have been taking

it two or three times per day. If I take a 3rd dose, I try to do it by 4 pm. I

also have some Thorne brand 50mg on hand, and have taken as much as 900mg of ACE

in total a few days. For me, that seemed like too much for an ongoing basis,

but seems fine once in awhile. (Note, my adrenals are in bad shape and I also

take HC.)

For the Thorne ACE 50mg, I have heard Andy say 3-4 caps 3X/day in the past. I

have also heard him say that ACE is *fairly innocuous*. So I think you just

have to experiment, and find out what dose is best for you.--------Jackie

Is there any reason to take more in the morning and less in afternoon?

----------Your natural cortisol rhythm is to be highest in the morning and

drop as the day goes on, so that would be one reason to do this.--------Jackie

Should I take an equal ammount each time or 2 in the morning and 1 at

noon?

-------------I think you just might need to experiment with this, and see what

works best for you. So far I have been taking equal amounts. I should try 2 in

the morning, and see how it feels. Otherwise, I do like taking some in the

afternoon, because I am prone to that afternoon crash, common with adrenal

fatigue.--------Jackie

What are the expected effects of taking this? I haven't really

noticed anything per se.

---------It has perked me up and made me feel more stimulated, and not needing

extra HC. I have also woken up easier in the morning, and don't seem to need as

much sleep. It definitely seems to do something different than the HC, at least

for me. I'm hoping to be able to lower my dose of HC, after using this long

enough.--------Jackie

Will it just unoticably over time support and help the adrenals or

will it start having noticable effects immediately?

----------Not sure if its different for different people, and may be different

because I am also taking HC, but it does make me feel better. If you feel

nothing, then maybe you need more, especially if you're not taking anything else

for your adrenals.-----Jackie

Is it bad to take ACE if you suspect you may have high cortisol levels?

----------This I'm not 100% sure of, but I think ACE might be ok to take with

high cortisol levels, because it is supporting the adrenals, not replacing the

cortisol it takes. Have you done a 4x/day saliva cortisol test, and are you

high all day, or just at night? My cortisol is low all day, so I don't have

this problem.------Jackie

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>

> I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

>

Hi. I take the Nutricology ACE as well. I take one in the morning

about 7AM, one at lunch time and about 1/4-1/3 right before bed.

When I am exceptionally fatigued at work, I also take 1/2-1 around

2:30-4:00PM. My energy has been improving so I don't take this extra

dose anymore. Also, as I have been improving, I have reduced the

amount I take just before bedtime.

I think a lot of it should be based on how you feel. My worst time was

always mid-afternoon from 3-4PM, hence my extra dose then.

I also did the 4 times a day cortisol test, and used that as reference.

The bedtime dose was recommended in " Adrenal Fatigue - The 21st

Century Syndrome " , a pretty good and easy to read book on adrenal

fatigue. It is recommended for certain sleep issues. It has really

helped me out in that department!

-Ed

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>

> I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

>

> I was wondering what the proper protocol to follow is. I read

> somewhere not to take any after noon, but also saw some people

taking

> 3 times per day?

I started taking ACE in December but it caused me very strange

symptoms of all over body itchiness and all round feeling weird and

strange. So much so that I had to stop taking

it. I tried twice, but on each occasion after 3 days these symptoms

happened, then disappeared 1 day later when I stopped. I started on

100mg per day and was upto 200mg within 2 days.

Dosing in the evenings made me unable to sleep at night.

I have since been to see an Adrenal/Thyroid expert, a Dr Peatfield,

based in England.

He told me the dosage and timings I was doing where wrong and that

must be the reason for the unusual symptoms. I took the Thorne

Research product of " adrenal cortex " 50mg per cap.

He told me dosage should be as follows:

50mg for 7-10 days, then increase to 100mg for 7-10 days, then 150mg …

etc…upto a target dosage of 200mg

When I dosed myself I was up at 200mg within 3 days my body could not

cope with all the extra thyroid hormones.

i.e. start on a low dosage and slowly build up the dosage…..sound

familiar? LOL

Obviously the target dosage of 200mg is specific to me, but I though

I should share the dosing schedule as that seems important.

Since I am sensitive to ACE I started on 25mg per day, just to be

sure. At the moment I am upto 150mg per day, all taken in the

morning. My Cortisol levels are low all throughout the day. I am

feeling the effects, so I will continue working up my dose 1 week at

a time. I just finished a round of DMSA and was a good round and i

feel the ACE helped supported me.

Sunshine

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> >

> > I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> > brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

Hi richard-

I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I take

a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

fail

I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning. My

saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as fast

as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found it

has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

Colette

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> >

> > I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> > brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

Hi richard-

I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I take

a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

fail

I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning. My

saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as fast

as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found it

has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

Colette

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>

> I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

>

>

Hi Colette,

Where do you order this ACE from. I'm still looking for a Canadian

source/supplier. Thanks.

J

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

>

>

Hi Colette,

Where do you order this ACE from. I'm still looking for a Canadian

source/supplier. Thanks.

J

[Guest guest]

This Canadian site carries Genestra and Thorne adrenal gland products:

http://www.yourethecure.com/

You shouldn't have any problems importing ACE from the US. Health

Canada said that adrenal glands are permissible as a natural health

product in Feb 2007. Customs has opened my packages containing ACE

before and after that and never confiscated it. I live in Toronto.

Jay

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> >

> > I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

> >

> >

>

> Hi Colette,

>

> Where do you order this ACE from. I'm still looking for a Canadian

> source/supplier. Thanks.

>

> J

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to know if any of you taking ACE are also taking any HC?

Thanks----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation cann7899 wrote:

>

> >

> > I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> > brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

Hi richard-

I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I take

a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

fail

I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning. My

saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as fast

as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found it

has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

Colette

[Guest guest]

I would like to know if any of you taking ACE are also taking any HC?

Thanks----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation cann7899 wrote:

>

> >

> > I just recently started taking Nutricology/Allergy Research Group

> > brand ACE/Adrenal Cortex in 250 mg dose.

Hi richard-

I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I take

a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

fail

I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning. My

saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as fast

as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found it

has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

Colette

[Guest guest]

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> I would like to know if any of you taking ACE are also taking any

HC? Thanks----------Jackie

No HC Jackie.

And I get me Genstra Brand from my ND but it is also available

from Rockwell Nutrition.

Colette

>

>

> > I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

>

> I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I

take

> a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

> fail

>

> I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning.

My

> saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as

fast

> as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found

it

> has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

>

> Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

> Colette

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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> I would like to know if any of you taking ACE are also taking any

HC? Thanks----------Jackie

No HC Jackie.

And I get me Genstra Brand from my ND but it is also available

from Rockwell Nutrition.

Colette

>

>

> > I take ACE (Genestra Brand- Canadian)165 mg per tablet.

>

> I take 1 in the morning, 2 at lunch, and 1/2 at dinner. When I

take

> a full one at dinner I wake up at 3 am, ready for the day....no

> fail

>

> I have been playing with dosage and added a 1/2 in the morning.

My

> saliva test show okay morning but then my cortisol drops 2x as

fast

> as it should....I think that is it. Anyway, overtime I have found

it

> has helped. I feel the effect is cummulative.

>

> Good luck - great question - I have struggled with this too.

> Colette

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With all this talk of adrenals, hydrocortisone and ACE, I have to ask a couple

of quick questions (and for all I know, I may have asked months ago!):

I'm still reading AI and have finished a lot of reading on adrenal

insufficiency. I suspect this is a problem for me, though I don't know. I want

to do the test asap so I can at least try to work on this issue relatively soon

(I'm about 3/4 done with my reading). From what I understand, it can take a

long time to even feel a difference with adrenals and so many of you have said

it's vital to take care of adrenals first. Would that mean that I wouldn't be

able to start chelation for many months or more?

And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is such a serious

thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert bracelet and have some

kind of stuff for injections available? It sounds way too complex and over my

head to deal with. I want and need simple, basic facts so I can get started on

the adrenals.

Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at home? Was it

Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now. Thanks for any help

with understanding this.

: Donna

[Guest guest]

With all this talk of adrenals, hydrocortisone and ACE, I have to ask a couple

of quick questions (and for all I know, I may have asked months ago!):

I'm still reading AI and have finished a lot of reading on adrenal

insufficiency. I suspect this is a problem for me, though I don't know. I want

to do the test asap so I can at least try to work on this issue relatively soon

(I'm about 3/4 done with my reading). From what I understand, it can take a

long time to even feel a difference with adrenals and so many of you have said

it's vital to take care of adrenals first. Would that mean that I wouldn't be

able to start chelation for many months or more?

And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is such a serious

thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert bracelet and have some

kind of stuff for injections available? It sounds way too complex and over my

head to deal with. I want and need simple, basic facts so I can get started on

the adrenals.

Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at home? Was it

Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now. Thanks for any help

with understanding this.

: Donna

[Guest guest]

> I'm still reading AI and have finished a lot of reading on adrenal

> insufficiency. I suspect this is a problem for me, though I don't know.

> I want to do the test asap so I can at least try to work on this issue

> relatively soon (I'm about 3/4 done with my reading). From what I

> understand, it can take a long time to even feel a difference with

> adrenals and so many of you have said it's vital to take care of adrenals

> first.

Hi Donna,

If you get on the right support the effects can be immediate. Healing the

adrenals takes some time, but feeling better through supporting them can be

within the order of days, especially with Hydrocortisone. The true rewards

are usually felt about 5 days after finding your right dose.

I usually advise that people take their temperatures and when they stabalise

they have found the right dose of adrenals support. HC helps rest the

adrenals and ACE helps repair the adrenals, so I think both should be used.

>Would that mean that I wouldn't be able to start chelation for many months

>or more?

Not really. But it is good advice to get on adrenal support first. It will

save you a lot of problems.

> And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is such a

> serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert bracelet and

> have some > kind of stuff for injections available?

I don't think this is accurate, or maybe it is a little out of context. As

long as you stick under 20mg per day indivded doses at the correct intervals

you are safe. Of course the more serious the problem the bigger the

precautions. Stay at the lowest dose you feel good/functional on.

>>> It sounds way too complex and over my head to deal with. I want and

>>> need simple, basic facts so I can get started on the adrenals.

See if this helps you:

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

>>> Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at home?

>>> Was it Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now.

I prefer DiagnosTechs that you can order from Direct Labs.

Others suggest Canary Club for a home test kit.

You need to get the cortisol saliva test and take 4 samples.

Measuring your temperatures is as important in my opinion:

" Track your daily temperatures. The thyroid and the adrenals control your

metabolic temperatures. Start by downloading the Metabolic temperature graph

and recording page here,

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/temperature_chart.pdf

to create easy graphs of your metabolism. This will provide vital

information when you start adding supplements or other health interventions.

It is also the simplest and most inexpensive way of monitoring your

metabolism. Go to Dr Rind's metabolic temperature page for an in depth

explanation of what to do. - here http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp "

Thanks,

Dean

[Guest guest]

> I'm still reading AI and have finished a lot of reading on adrenal

> insufficiency. I suspect this is a problem for me, though I don't know.

> I want to do the test asap so I can at least try to work on this issue

> relatively soon (I'm about 3/4 done with my reading). From what I

> understand, it can take a long time to even feel a difference with

> adrenals and so many of you have said it's vital to take care of adrenals

> first.

Hi Donna,

If you get on the right support the effects can be immediate. Healing the

adrenals takes some time, but feeling better through supporting them can be

within the order of days, especially with Hydrocortisone. The true rewards

are usually felt about 5 days after finding your right dose.

I usually advise that people take their temperatures and when they stabalise

they have found the right dose of adrenals support. HC helps rest the

adrenals and ACE helps repair the adrenals, so I think both should be used.

>Would that mean that I wouldn't be able to start chelation for many months

>or more?

Not really. But it is good advice to get on adrenal support first. It will

save you a lot of problems.

> And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is such a

> serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert bracelet and

> have some > kind of stuff for injections available?

I don't think this is accurate, or maybe it is a little out of context. As

long as you stick under 20mg per day indivded doses at the correct intervals

you are safe. Of course the more serious the problem the bigger the

precautions. Stay at the lowest dose you feel good/functional on.

>>> It sounds way too complex and over my head to deal with. I want and

>>> need simple, basic facts so I can get started on the adrenals.

See if this helps you:

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

>>> Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at home?

>>> Was it Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now.

I prefer DiagnosTechs that you can order from Direct Labs.

Others suggest Canary Club for a home test kit.

You need to get the cortisol saliva test and take 4 samples.

Measuring your temperatures is as important in my opinion:

" Track your daily temperatures. The thyroid and the adrenals control your

metabolic temperatures. Start by downloading the Metabolic temperature graph

and recording page here,

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/temperature_chart.pdf

to create easy graphs of your metabolism. This will provide vital

information when you start adding supplements or other health interventions.

It is also the simplest and most inexpensive way of monitoring your

metabolism. Go to Dr Rind's metabolic temperature page for an in depth

explanation of what to do. - here http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp "

Thanks,

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

> I would like to know if any of you taking ACE are also taking any

HC? Thanks----------Jackie

I do not take HC.

-Ed

[Guest guest]

Would that mean that I wouldn't be able to start chelation for many

months or more?

---Nope, at least not in my opinion. I treat everything at the same

time. I think when I was near the start of detoxing, I wasn't able to

take the chelation as heavily as I can now. I would get extremely

tired from chelating and feel bad. I suspect some of it was adrenal

hormones. I suggest you start chelating slow until you improve enough

to chelate in higher doses.

>

> And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is

such a serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert

bracelet and have some kind of stuff for injections available? It

sounds way too complex and over my head to deal with. I want and need

simple, basic facts so I can get started on the adrenals.

---I think HC needs to be monitored by a Doc, or at least it should

be. ACE is very safe (it has been used for a long long time). Like

anything, start slow until you figure out what works for you.

>

> Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at

home? Was it Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now.

---I did a saliva test with ZRT Labs www.zrtlabs.com. Google " Canary

Club " and " ZRT Labs " and you will get a deal to do their 4x's/day

saliva test and all the blood hormone tests for US$200.

[Guest guest]

Would that mean that I wouldn't be able to start chelation for many

months or more?

---Nope, at least not in my opinion. I treat everything at the same

time. I think when I was near the start of detoxing, I wasn't able to

take the chelation as heavily as I can now. I would get extremely

tired from chelating and feel bad. I suspect some of it was adrenal

hormones. I suggest you start chelating slow until you improve enough

to chelate in higher doses.

>

> And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is

such a serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert

bracelet and have some kind of stuff for injections available? It

sounds way too complex and over my head to deal with. I want and need

simple, basic facts so I can get started on the adrenals.

---I think HC needs to be monitored by a Doc, or at least it should

be. ACE is very safe (it has been used for a long long time). Like

anything, start slow until you figure out what works for you.

>

> Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at

home? Was it Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now.

---I did a saliva test with ZRT Labs www.zrtlabs.com. Google " Canary

Club " and " ZRT Labs " and you will get a deal to do their 4x's/day

saliva test and all the blood hormone tests for US$200.

[Guest guest]

Would that mean that I wouldn't be able to start chelation for many

months or more?

---Nope, at least not in my opinion. I treat everything at the same

time. I think when I was near the start of detoxing, I wasn't able to

take the chelation as heavily as I can now. I would get extremely

tired from chelating and feel bad. I suspect some of it was adrenal

hormones. I suggest you start chelating slow until you improve enough

to chelate in higher doses.

>

> And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is

such a serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert

bracelet and have some kind of stuff for injections available? It

sounds way too complex and over my head to deal with. I want and need

simple, basic facts so I can get started on the adrenals.

---I think HC needs to be monitored by a Doc, or at least it should

be. ACE is very safe (it has been used for a long long time). Like

anything, start slow until you figure out what works for you.

>

> Am I remembering correctly that the saliva test can be done at

home? Was it Doctors Data or something like that? I can't remember now.

---I did a saliva test with ZRT Labs www.zrtlabs.com. Google " Canary

Club " and " ZRT Labs " and you will get a deal to do their 4x's/day

saliva test and all the blood hormone tests for US$200.

[Guest guest]

>

> > And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is

such a

> > serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert

bracelet and

> > have some > kind of stuff for injections available?

> I don't think this is accurate, or maybe it is a little out of

context. As

> long as you stick under 20mg per day indivded doses at the correct

intervals

> you are safe. Of course the more serious the problem the bigger the

> precautions. Stay at the lowest dose you feel good/functional on.

>

>

Just to clarify, wearing a medic alert bracelet and carrying

injectable cortisol is for someone who routinely takes MORE than 20 mg

Cortef per day. The risk is that on high doses, doses more than the

adrenals would normally produce in a day, for a long period of time

the adrenals might go to sleep and not be able to respond quickly in

an emergency.

On doses of 20 mg or less per day the adrenals are still doing some

work every day and are not likely going to sleep.

The risks were clearly explained to me by my doctor when he first

prescribed cortisol for me.

There is no need for anyone on adrenal cortex extract only to consider

the above because ACE doesn't contain any (or maybe only a trace)

cortisol so there is no risk of the adrenals going to sleep.

J

[Guest guest]

>

> > And I was under the impression that taking meds for adrenals is

such a

> > serious thing that Andy states you have to wear a medic alert

bracelet and

> > have some > kind of stuff for injections available?

> I don't think this is accurate, or maybe it is a little out of

context. As

> long as you stick under 20mg per day indivded doses at the correct

intervals

> you are safe. Of course the more serious the problem the bigger the

> precautions. Stay at the lowest dose you feel good/functional on.

>

>

Just to clarify, wearing a medic alert bracelet and carrying

injectable cortisol is for someone who routinely takes MORE than 20 mg

Cortef per day. The risk is that on high doses, doses more than the

adrenals would normally produce in a day, for a long period of time

the adrenals might go to sleep and not be able to respond quickly in

an emergency.

On doses of 20 mg or less per day the adrenals are still doing some

work every day and are not likely going to sleep.

The risks were clearly explained to me by my doctor when he first

prescribed cortisol for me.

There is no need for anyone on adrenal cortex extract only to consider

the above because ACE doesn't contain any (or maybe only a trace)

cortisol so there is no risk of the adrenals going to sleep.

J

[Guest guest]

, thank you for clarifying this! I thank God for those of you able to

clear things like this up, because it's a lot of info that can sometimes be

confusing or misunderstood.

: Donna

>>> wrote: Just to clarify, wearing a medic alert bracelet and carrying

>injectable cortisol is for someone who routinely takes MORE than 20 mg

>Cortef per day. The risk is that on high doses, doses more than the

>adrenals would normally produce in a day, for a long period of time

>the adrenals might go to sleep and not be able to respond quickly in

>an emergency.

[Guest guest]

, thank you for clarifying this! I thank God for those of you able to

clear things like this up, because it's a lot of info that can sometimes be

confusing or misunderstood.

: Donna

>>> wrote: Just to clarify, wearing a medic alert bracelet and carrying

>injectable cortisol is for someone who routinely takes MORE than 20 mg

>Cortef per day. The risk is that on high doses, doses more than the

>adrenals would normally produce in a day, for a long period of time

>the adrenals might go to sleep and not be able to respond quickly in

>an emergency.

[Guest guest]

, thank you for clarifying this! I thank God for those of you able to

clear things like this up, because it's a lot of info that can sometimes be

confusing or misunderstood.

: Donna

>>> wrote: Just to clarify, wearing a medic alert bracelet and carrying

>injectable cortisol is for someone who routinely takes MORE than 20 mg

>Cortef per day. The risk is that on high doses, doses more than the

>adrenals would normally produce in a day, for a long period of time

>the adrenals might go to sleep and not be able to respond quickly in

>an emergency.