Re: Perplexed about specific Adrenal protocols....Could someone please help?

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How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms?

---------I think a deciding factor for many is whether or not they can get a

doctor to prescribe HC. So I think most people end up trying other things

first, like Licorice or ACE. And this is probably a good way to start, by

trying things to support your adrenals, and maybe it will be enough. So I think

it is smart to try ACE before HC, and then maybe you will never need HC. There

is an OTC product called Isocort that contains 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so

that is always an option, if you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, if you feel

you need it.----------Jackie

Do all

three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will work

best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done saliva

testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's during the

24 hour period.

-------------If you are mildly low, then I would suggest trying ACE and taking

it in the morning, and then add another dose or two earlier in the day, if

needed. I think Jada had a really good post about all of this recently. If the

ACE doesn't seem to work or help enough, then you could try HC or the

Isocort.----------Jackie

At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's sleep)

------------Very common mercury symptom to have a messed up internal clock

(circadium rythm). Like Jada posted, you can take adrenal support earlier in

the day, and then take something like melatonin to help you sleep at night, and

this will hopefully help get you back in rythm. If your cortisol is really high

at night, I think taking phosphatidylserine in the evening is supposed to help

lower it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one. Others have mentioned

that extra magnesium or taurine at bedtime helps them sleep better, and there

are other herbs like valerian, hops, passion flower, and others that can help

too. Andy mentions a number of these in AI.--------Jackie

I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

understand completely.

-----------I know it's confusing. I read about adrenal support here for a

long time before I tried anything. Maybe you should post your actual saliva

test results for us to look at. Otherwise, I think ACE would be a good place

for you to start.-------Jackie

I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years ago

and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-

-----------Yes this can be an adrenal symptom and adrenal support may help you

gain some weight. I'm not sure if ACE will do that, or if you will need actual

HC. Hopefully someone in that situation will answer on this.------------Jackie

although

most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any feedback

would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

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>

> How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> three support and rebuild the adrenals

Adrenal Cortex rebuilds the adrenal gland so it can make more hormone.

Hydrocortisone replaces hormone it can't make.

Licorice supports normal healthy adrenal function by making the hormone your

body

makes be more effective.

Andy

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>

> How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> three support and rebuild the adrenals

Adrenal Cortex rebuilds the adrenal gland so it can make more hormone.

Hydrocortisone replaces hormone it can't make.

Licorice supports normal healthy adrenal function by making the hormone your

body

makes be more effective.

Andy

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>

> How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms?

>

> ---------I think a deciding factor for many is whether or not

they can get a doctor to prescribe HC. So I think most people end up

trying other things first, like Licorice or ACE. And this is

probably a good way to start, by trying things to support your

adrenals, and maybe it will be enough. So I think it is smart to try

ACE before HC, and then maybe you will never need HC. There is an

OTC product called Isocort that contains 2.5mg of cortisol per

pellet, so that is always an option, if you can't get a doctor to

prescribe HC, if you feel you need it.----------Jackie

>

>

> Do all

> three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will

work

> best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done

saliva

> testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's

during the

> 24 hour period.

>

> -------------If you are mildly low, then I would suggest trying

ACE and taking it in the morning, and then add another dose or two

earlier in the day, if needed. I think Jada had a really good post

about all of this recently. If the ACE doesn't seem to work or help

enough, then you could try HC or the Isocort.----------Jackie

>

>

>

> At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's sleep)

>

> ------------Very common mercury symptom to have a messed up

internal clock (circadium rythm). Like Jada posted, you can take

adrenal support earlier in the day, and then take something like

melatonin to help you sleep at night, and this will hopefully help

get you back in rythm. If your cortisol is really high at night, I

think taking phosphatidylserine in the evening is supposed to help

lower it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one. Others have

mentioned that extra magnesium or taurine at bedtime helps them sleep

better, and there are other herbs like valerian, hops, passion

flower, and others that can help too. Andy mentions a number of

these in AI.--------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

> understand completely.

>

> -----------I know it's confusing. I read about adrenal support

here for a long time before I tried anything. Maybe you should post

your actual saliva test results for us to look at. Otherwise, I

think ACE would be a good place for you to start.-------Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

> I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years ago

> and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-

>

> -----------Yes this can be an adrenal symptom and adrenal support

may help you gain some weight. I'm not sure if ACE will do that, or

if you will need actual HC. Hopefully someone in that situation will

answer on this.------------Jackie

>

>

>

> although

> most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any

feedback

> would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

> _._,_.___

>

>

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>

Jackie, on my lab report from Diagno-Techs it mentions taking

Phosphorylated serine tablets tablets one or two capsules before

elevated cortisol times. HMMMM seems someone from this support group

mentioned that there is a difference between Phophorylated serine and

Phosphatidylserine? Do you recall the difference?

---------Sorry, no I don't know if there is a difference.----------Jackie

Thanks, Sidney

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>

Jackie, on my lab report from Diagno-Techs it mentions taking

Phosphorylated serine tablets tablets one or two capsules before

elevated cortisol times. HMMMM seems someone from this support group

mentioned that there is a difference between Phophorylated serine and

Phosphatidylserine? Do you recall the difference?

---------Sorry, no I don't know if there is a difference.----------Jackie

Thanks, Sidney

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>

> How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will work

> best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done saliva

> testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's during the

> 24 hour period. At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's sleep)

> I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

> understand completely. I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years ago

> and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-although

> most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any feedback

> would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

>

I'm afraid this is more of a followup question for the group than an actual

answer. I'm

sorry about that, Sydney.

I have very similar lab results (cortisol is low throughout the day, and then in

the evening,

it spikes when it should be low.) I just assumed that such a pattern was

probably due to

hypothalamic issues, rather than primary adrenal problems.

If that assumption is true, then I wouldn't think that using adrenal cortical

extracts, which

are aimed at repairing the adrenal glands themselves, would necessarily help.

But my assumption could very well be wrong. Does anyone know if this distorted

diurnal

cortisol pattern can actually be a sign of primary adrenal problems?

If my assumption is correct, I would guess that symptom management (using

hydrocortisone, Isocourt, or licorice during times of low cortisol, and

phosphorylated

serine during times of high cortisol) would be the short/medium term solution,

until detox

(hopefully) allows for more normal hypothalamic funtion.

Any comments?

Thank you,

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>

> How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will work

> best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done saliva

> testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's during the

> 24 hour period. At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's sleep)

> I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

> understand completely. I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years ago

> and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-although

> most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any feedback

> would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

>

I'm afraid this is more of a followup question for the group than an actual

answer. I'm

sorry about that, Sydney.

I have very similar lab results (cortisol is low throughout the day, and then in

the evening,

it spikes when it should be low.) I just assumed that such a pattern was

probably due to

hypothalamic issues, rather than primary adrenal problems.

If that assumption is true, then I wouldn't think that using adrenal cortical

extracts, which

are aimed at repairing the adrenal glands themselves, would necessarily help.

But my assumption could very well be wrong. Does anyone know if this distorted

diurnal

cortisol pattern can actually be a sign of primary adrenal problems?

If my assumption is correct, I would guess that symptom management (using

hydrocortisone, Isocourt, or licorice during times of low cortisol, and

phosphorylated

serine during times of high cortisol) would be the short/medium term solution,

until detox

(hopefully) allows for more normal hypothalamic funtion.

Any comments?

Thank you,

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> >

> > How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> > Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> > three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will

work

> > best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done

saliva

> > testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's

during the

> > 24 hour period. At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's

sleep)

> > I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

> > understand completely. I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years

ago

> > and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-

although

> > most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any

feedback

> > would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

> >

>

> I'm afraid this is more of a followup question for the group than

an actual answer. I'm

> sorry about that, Sydney.

>

> I have very similar lab results (cortisol is low throughout the

day, and then in the evening,

> it spikes when it should be low.) I just assumed that such a

pattern was probably due to

> hypothalamic issues, rather than primary adrenal problems.

>

> If that assumption is true, then I wouldn't think that using

adrenal cortical extracts, which

> are aimed at repairing the adrenal glands themselves, would

necessarily help.

>

> But my assumption could very well be wrong. Does anyone know if

this distorted diurnal

> cortisol pattern can actually be a sign of primary adrenal problems?

>

> If my assumption is correct, I would guess that symptom management

(using

> hydrocortisone, Isocourt, or licorice during times of low cortisol,

and phosphorylated

> serine during times of high cortisol) would be the short/medium

term solution, until detox

> (hopefully) allows for more normal hypothalamic funtion.

>

> Any comments?

>

> Thank you,

>

>

Hey thanks for your input. On the lab report from Diagnos-

Techs it is noted that that my results is suggestive of marginal

Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal performance. They give suggestions on

how to possibly resolve the issue including taking the licorice (or

HC) and and the Phos. Serine when cortisol is high (at night). I

cannot tolerate the licorice and that is why I just ordered and

received the Thorne Ace along with the Phos. Serine. Do you think

the ACE will make me have any weird reactions? I hate to sound

stupid but I haven't exactly researched the Hypo. Pit. thing just

yet. In a nut shell could you tell me what that part of it means?

If not I will begin researching it. Lately that is all I seem to get

done in my free time. Thanks sooooooo much for your response.

Thanks again-Sidney

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> >

> > How does one know if he needs Adrenal Extract, Licorice, or

> > Hydrocortisone for treating hypo-adrenal related symptoms? Do all

> > three support and rebuild the adrenals and ultimately which will

work

> > best with someone with moderate to severe symptoms. I have done

saliva

> > testing- and I am mildly depleted of cortisol 3 out of 4X's during

the

> > 24 hour period. At night cortisol is elevated (of course-I can's

sleep)

> > I have read on all of these many times, but I still can't seem to

> > understand completely. I am thin and lost 8 lbs. since two years ago

> > and can't gain it back- I think this is adrenal related too-although

> > most people gain weight. (I've always been thin though) Any feedback

> > would be soooooooo appreciated. Thanks, Sidney

> >

>

> I'm afraid this is more of a followup question for the group than an

actual answer. I'm

> sorry about that, Sydney.

>

> I have very similar lab results (cortisol is low throughout the day,

and then in the evening,

> it spikes when it should be low.) I just assumed that such a

pattern was probably due to

> hypothalamic issues, rather than primary adrenal problems.

I think it suggests HPA axis issues, but doesn't exclude the

possibility that your adrenals are somewhat weak, too. You can

have both.

> If that assumption is true, then I wouldn't think that using adrenal

cortical extracts, which

> are aimed at repairing the adrenal glands themselves, would

necessarily help.

You could always try it and see if it helps. Small investment.

I don't " feel anything " from taking ACE, but I take it anyway since

it might help to heal my adrenals.

> But my assumption could very well be wrong. Does anyone know if

this distorted diurnal

> cortisol pattern can actually be a sign of primary adrenal problems?

> If my assumption is correct, I would guess that symptom management

(using

> hydrocortisone, Isocourt, or licorice during times of low cortisol,

and phosphorylated

> serine during times of high cortisol) would be the short/medium term

solution, until detox

> (hopefully) allows for more normal hypothalamic funtion.

I would start with HC, isocort, ACE, or licorice during the day and

see if that calms down the nighttime bump. If not, then you could

add the phos serine at night and see how it goes.

My experience is phos serine can be helpful, but I have had trouble

when my cortisol is very low - at those times, taking phos serine

makes my heart pound and I can't sleep. I don't know that you would

get the same symptoms, but basically I think it would either not

help or cause problems if your cortisol was too low.

The time when phos serine has helped me is when I finally become wide

awake at 11 pm and don't want to go to sleep, feels like the day has

just started. Then when I take the phos serine, it helps me calm

down and go to sleep. When I'm not having that specific situation,

I find it is important to stop taking it or I have problems.

--

> Any comments?

>

> Thank you,

>

>

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> Hey thanks for your input. On the lab report from Diagnos-

> Techs it is noted that that my results is suggestive of marginal

> Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal performance. They give suggestions on

> how to possibly resolve the issue including taking the licorice (or

> HC) and and the Phos. Serine when cortisol is high (at night). I

> cannot tolerate the licorice and that is why I just ordered and

> received the Thorne Ace along with the Phos. Serine. Do you think

> the ACE will make me have any weird reactions?

I don't think so, and even if it does it would likely be something

mild. Try one cap, 3x per day, and then increase to 2 caps, 3x per

day. See if it helps.

J

I hate to sound

> stupid but I haven't exactly researched the Hypo. Pit. thing just

> yet. In a nut shell could you tell me what that part of it means?

> If not I will begin researching it. Lately that is all I seem to get

> done in my free time. Thanks sooooooo much for your response.

> Thanks again-Sidney

>

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>

>

> > Hey thanks for your input. On the lab report from Diagnos-

> > Techs it is noted that that my results is suggestive of marginal

> > Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal performance. They give

suggestions on

> > how to possibly resolve the issue including taking the licorice

(or

> > HC) and and the Phos. Serine when cortisol is high (at night). I

> > cannot tolerate the licorice and that is why I just ordered and

> > received the Thorne Ace along with the Phos. Serine. Do you

think

> > the ACE will make me have any weird reactions?

>

>

>

> I don't think so, and even if it does it would likely be something

> mild. Try one cap, 3x per day, and then increase to 2 caps, 3x per

> day. See if it helps.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

> I hate to sound

> > stupid but I haven't exactly researched the Hypo. Pit. thing just

> > yet. In a nut shell could you tell me what that part of it

means?

> > If not I will begin researching it. Lately that is all I seem to

get

> > done in my free time. Thanks sooooooo much for your response.

> > Thanks again-Sidney

> >

> Thanks - I was hoping to give it a try anyway without any

weird consequences. I seem to be soooooooo sensitive to extra stuff

(probably the Gilbert's) Since Dec. I have been experiencing a

mostly constant rapid heartbeat and it went away for a couple of days

and now it's back. Maybe in the end I will need the HC- I don't have

an appoint. with a n new ND until Feb. (appoint. made 6 mos. ago)

Supposedly he is an expert with Thryoid stuff and knows about mercury

too. I just wish I could sleep a little more and get my heartbeat to

relax in the meantime. I have no major stress in my life for the

past several years, but I guess the mercury just might be bigger than

I am. I don't knoww- I just try to keep my faith and thank God for

all of you. Thanks, Sidney