Re: ALA AND DENTAL QUESTIONS

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>

> Hi All,

>

> I'm almost ready to start chelation as all my amalgams have been

> removed for many months. Quick question about this though. I'm still

> have to have two root canals extracted and 3 cavitations opened up and

> cleaned. I can't do this surgery for a few months yet.

>Should I start

> chelating now to help my system become healthier prior to this trama or

> wait until after it's all done to start?

>

If you are absolutely sure that there is no amalgam at all in any of

the root canals or anywhere else, then it would be ok to chelate at

low doses, and would likely be helpful. If there is any chance of any

mercury left anywhere, better to check that out before chelating at all.

> Also, the doctor I'm working with says to start on ALA alone since I'm

> very sensitive to a number of things.

>I will do a 24 hour oral

> challenge test with ALA shortly and then a urine test.

How were you planning to take the ALA for this test? (as a normal

chelation round with Andy's protocol?) There is really nothing to be

gained by doing a challenge test and if you are planning to take high

infrequent doses of ALA for the test, the mercury moved during the

process could really mess you up seriously. We have had many reports

from many people who have been damaged by challenge tests.

The money spent on the urine test could be better spent on a hair test

and on supplements to support chelation.

> Then he will

> recommend dosages etc.

>

Please let us know what you are planning to do before you start. I

want to be sure that you don't get hurt from inappropriate chelation.

ALA is wonderful when used properly, but can hurt people (by moving

mercury where it shouldn't be) when used inappropriately, and I'm

somewhat suspicious about this doctor.

> I'm just wondering what dosages worked well for everyone here who has

> used ALA.

>

See TKs general recommendations in the files section.

Read through the links and files, Andy's two books, and be sure that

you understand Andy's protocol before proceeding.

> Interested to hear from others on this.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Donna

>

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>

> Hi All,

>

> I'm almost ready to start chelation as all my amalgams have been

> removed for many months. Quick question about this though. I'm still

> have to have two root canals extracted and 3 cavitations opened up and

> cleaned. I can't do this surgery for a few months yet.

>Should I start

> chelating now to help my system become healthier prior to this trama or

> wait until after it's all done to start?

>

If you are absolutely sure that there is no amalgam at all in any of

the root canals or anywhere else, then it would be ok to chelate at

low doses, and would likely be helpful. If there is any chance of any

mercury left anywhere, better to check that out before chelating at all.

> Also, the doctor I'm working with says to start on ALA alone since I'm

> very sensitive to a number of things.

>I will do a 24 hour oral

> challenge test with ALA shortly and then a urine test.

How were you planning to take the ALA for this test? (as a normal

chelation round with Andy's protocol?) There is really nothing to be

gained by doing a challenge test and if you are planning to take high

infrequent doses of ALA for the test, the mercury moved during the

process could really mess you up seriously. We have had many reports

from many people who have been damaged by challenge tests.

The money spent on the urine test could be better spent on a hair test

and on supplements to support chelation.

> Then he will

> recommend dosages etc.

>

Please let us know what you are planning to do before you start. I

want to be sure that you don't get hurt from inappropriate chelation.

ALA is wonderful when used properly, but can hurt people (by moving

mercury where it shouldn't be) when used inappropriately, and I'm

somewhat suspicious about this doctor.

> I'm just wondering what dosages worked well for everyone here who has

> used ALA.

>

See TKs general recommendations in the files section.

Read through the links and files, Andy's two books, and be sure that

you understand Andy's protocol before proceeding.

> Interested to hear from others on this.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Donna

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I'm almost ready to start chelation as all my amalgams have been

> removed for many months. Quick question about this though. I'm still

> have to have two root canals extracted and 3 cavitations opened up and

> cleaned. I can't do this surgery for a few months yet.

>Should I start

> chelating now to help my system become healthier prior to this trama or

> wait until after it's all done to start?

>

If you are absolutely sure that there is no amalgam at all in any of

the root canals or anywhere else, then it would be ok to chelate at

low doses, and would likely be helpful. If there is any chance of any

mercury left anywhere, better to check that out before chelating at all.

> Also, the doctor I'm working with says to start on ALA alone since I'm

> very sensitive to a number of things.

---------Different people do better with different chelators, so you probably

won't know until you try them. ALA may work fine for you, but if it doesn't,

you can try DMSA or DMPS. I assume since you are a member of this group that

you are going to use Cutler's protocol?---------Jackie

>I will do a 24 hour oral

> challenge test with ALA shortly and then a urine test.

---------- is absolutely right, since you are planning on chelating

anyway, then there is no reason to do this challenge test. We have heard

numerous reports of bad reactions to challenge tests, and Andy does not

recommend doing them.----Jackie

How were you planning to take the ALA for this test? (as a normal

chelation round with Andy's protocol?) There is really nothing to be

gained by doing a challenge test and if you are planning to take high

infrequent doses of ALA for the test, the mercury moved during the

process could really mess you up seriously. We have had many reports

from many people who have been damaged by challenge tests.

The money spent on the urine test could be better spent on a hair test

and on supplements to support chelation.

> Then he will

> recommend dosages etc.

------------I have not heard of dosages being determined by a challenge test.

We all seem to be different and some of us are much more sensitive than others,

so we always recommend that everybody start at very low doses, and then build up

their dosage as tolerated.----------Jackie

>

Please let us know what you are planning to do before you start. I

want to be sure that you don't get hurt from inappropriate chelation.

ALA is wonderful when used properly, but can hurt people (by moving

mercury where it shouldn't be) when used inappropriately, and I'm

somewhat suspicious about this doctor.

> I'm just wondering what dosages worked well for everyone here who has

> used ALA.

--------There seems to be quite a variation on how much ALA people can

tolerate, and *when* they can tolerate it. Some people chelate for months or

years with DMSA or DMPS before they can tolerate ALA, and some people chelate

with ALA alone from the start and do just fine. That is why we recommend

starting at very low doses, because we cannot predict how anyone will

react.---------Jackie

>

See TKs general recommendations in the files section.

Read through the links and files, Andy's two books, and be sure that

you understand Andy's protocol before proceeding.

> Interested to hear from others on this.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Donna

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In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I'm almost ready to start chelation as all my amalgams have been

> removed for many months. Quick question about this though. I'm still

> have to have two root canals extracted and 3 cavitations opened up and

> cleaned. I can't do this surgery for a few months yet.

>Should I start

> chelating now to help my system become healthier prior to this trama or

> wait until after it's all done to start?

>

If you are absolutely sure that there is no amalgam at all in any of

the root canals or anywhere else, then it would be ok to chelate at

low doses, and would likely be helpful. If there is any chance of any

mercury left anywhere, better to check that out before chelating at all.

> Also, the doctor I'm working with says to start on ALA alone since I'm

> very sensitive to a number of things.

---------Different people do better with different chelators, so you probably

won't know until you try them. ALA may work fine for you, but if it doesn't,

you can try DMSA or DMPS. I assume since you are a member of this group that

you are going to use Cutler's protocol?---------Jackie

>I will do a 24 hour oral

> challenge test with ALA shortly and then a urine test.

---------- is absolutely right, since you are planning on chelating

anyway, then there is no reason to do this challenge test. We have heard

numerous reports of bad reactions to challenge tests, and Andy does not

recommend doing them.----Jackie

How were you planning to take the ALA for this test? (as a normal

chelation round with Andy's protocol?) There is really nothing to be

gained by doing a challenge test and if you are planning to take high

infrequent doses of ALA for the test, the mercury moved during the

process could really mess you up seriously. We have had many reports

from many people who have been damaged by challenge tests.

The money spent on the urine test could be better spent on a hair test

and on supplements to support chelation.

> Then he will

> recommend dosages etc.

------------I have not heard of dosages being determined by a challenge test.

We all seem to be different and some of us are much more sensitive than others,

so we always recommend that everybody start at very low doses, and then build up

their dosage as tolerated.----------Jackie

>

Please let us know what you are planning to do before you start. I

want to be sure that you don't get hurt from inappropriate chelation.

ALA is wonderful when used properly, but can hurt people (by moving

mercury where it shouldn't be) when used inappropriately, and I'm

somewhat suspicious about this doctor.

> I'm just wondering what dosages worked well for everyone here who has

> used ALA.

--------There seems to be quite a variation on how much ALA people can

tolerate, and *when* they can tolerate it. Some people chelate for months or

years with DMSA or DMPS before they can tolerate ALA, and some people chelate

with ALA alone from the start and do just fine. That is why we recommend

starting at very low doses, because we cannot predict how anyone will

react.---------Jackie

>

See TKs general recommendations in the files section.

Read through the links and files, Andy's two books, and be sure that

you understand Andy's protocol before proceeding.

> Interested to hear from others on this.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Donna

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Hi and Jackie:

Thanks very much for your advice. I'm going to answer your queries in this

note. I'm been sick for a year now and very determined to stick to Andy's

protocol but it's not easy to get medical support. I live in Canada and I

wanted to have my chelation doctor supervised. Yes, I've read Andy's book

many times and have been on this list for about six months reading and

learning as I completed my dental work. My family doctor will not work

with me on chelation she wanted me to see a specialist, so I found a medical

doctor who does chelation. I took Andy's book (with my tons of questions)

to this doctor. He prefers EDTA. Unfortunately he hasn't read Andy's book

plus he and everyone else I talk to does a lot of the IV chelation. I

told him that wasn't for me and he seemed open to working with me. He did

recommending starting with the a oral 24 hr. challenge test with ALA. So I

won't be doing that now - what you said makes sense.

I'm working an uphill battle here in Ontario - there isn't any doctor that I

know of that is familiar with Andy's approach. However, because I've been

on this list long enough to see it works, plus I'm cautious anyway so Andy's

protocol makes the most sense to me. So my plan is to start a " round " with

the lowest dose of ALA recommended. I do have another question about

supplements though - Andy recommends a lot of different things - I'm on a

excellent diet, home grown sprouts/juicer drinks and hormone free meat. I

don't eat dairy though because of the food allergy tests but I eat lots of

foods that supply calcium. My medical doctor just reviewed my blood test

results and my liver, kidneys, thryoid are functioning well however my

phosphurus was slightly high (1.61 - top of recommended range is 1.45) and

free T3 was (6.5 - top of recommended range is 5.7). Through a electro

dermal tester, I've been taking a three month course of high quality

supplements of proteins, amino acids, digestive and minerals designed to

prepare the body to detox so this might account for the blood results.

Before I became ill with the mercury issues I was extremely healthy, had

great test results every year so now my medical doctor is worried and wants

me to stop taking supplements altogether. Ofcourse I won't follow this

advice because I'm going to chelate. Plus, my hair test done in May of 07

showed mercury 2.25 (top of range 1.32) and other minerals that were " out of

wack " since then I did chelate for a month with NCD on the detox doses 15

drops 3 x's a day - but stopped because I started having major joint pain

and I took this as a sign the metals were redistributing.

The other things I tried on the advice of a naturopath was the

cilantro/chorella combo - that was a disaster and I ended up in the

emergency room I was so sick. That's when I decided to take my health into

my own hands and thoroughly research everything. I want to start with the

ALA and see how things go on the low dose on the recommended on and off

schedule. I have 150 mg capsules of ALA, should I divide it up and mix the

smaller portions in water to take it?

However, back to the question about supplements - I'm taking now - Vit C - 1

gram a day (seems to help with tingling and balance), Vit E 400mg, selenium

(200mg),

Vit D (2,000 mg). Calcium citrate (1,000 mg), digestive enymes and a good

probotic. I want to make sure when I start the ALA that I'm taking all

the right things to support that - is there anything else you would

recommend? I will read through that whole section in Andy's book again

before I start - I have to be careful what I take because I'm electric

sensitive which seems to make my system more reactive to new things. Plus,

I'm going to have my cavitations and root canals cleaned up as I think they

must be contributing to how bad I feel.

All your advice is appreciated.

Donna

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--- Donna,

There is a ND I am working with in Ontario. Solay Theil in St

near London Ontario. She might be able to help you or refer you

to someone and help them with Cutler. In order to support her I got a

consult with Andy and we are doing well. She is still learning but now

familiar with Cutler's work.

Email me if you would like to know more details.

Colette

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Donna,

First, your not alone, most of us cannot find a doctor that is helpful

or has any knowledge of mercury and safe chelation. So most of us are

doing this on our own.

Divide up the ALA powder into the doses you need, you can put it into

empty capsules. You can buy empty ones. dose as 1/8-1/2 mg per pound

of body weight. You may need lower than this to start.

You mentioned root canals! You need to be absolutely sure there is no

amalgam in those. Sometimes dentist put some amalgam inside the root

tip when they do the root canal. The majority of times they also use

amalgam to fill the tooth, which is under the cap. Please be sure they

have NO amalgam in them before using ALA. If in doubt, get them

removed first. Make sure it has been three months since your last

mercury exposure..either through dental work or vaccines, before using

ALA. If it has not...then you would need to use dmsa or dmps.

Basic supplements for chelation:

something to treat gut yeast if you should have problems with it

probiotics

Vit A

Vit E

Vit C-more than 1gr..usually 2-4 grams a day

Calcium w/D

Zinc

Magnesium

Milk Thistle for liver support-regardless of what blood work said

about liver function.

No copper or iron supplements-these are contradictions for Hg toxicity

B complex-yeast free

Selenium-as seleniomethionine

>

> Hi and Jackie:

>

> Thanks very much for your advice. I'm going to answer your queries

in this

> note. I'm been sick for a year now and very determined to stick

to Andy's

> protocol but it's not easy to get medical support. I live in Canada

and I

> wanted to have my chelation doctor supervised. Yes, I've read

Andy's book

> many times and have been on this list for about six months reading and

> learning as I completed my dental work. My family doctor will not

work