Re: getting you digestive system right

[Guest guest]

>

> First I would like to thank those of you who have answered my posts

> recently on my painful response to DMSA. I am going to wait another 2

> months before trying ALA.

> Answers have focussed on getting the yeast problem under control.

One answer suggested a yeast problem; the other answers suggested gut

problems. Dysbiosis would be one thing to consider and there is no

reason to rule out bacterial dysbiosis at this point.

> Although I have always had throughout my 20 years of CFS, difficulties

> with my digestive system I have often suspected candida. But are there

> any simple tests (and inexpensive too)to prove that yeast is actually

> causing the problem?

No.

It is likely that mercury is causing the problem and any opportunists

that have overpopulated - whether bacteria or yeast - are just taking

advantage of an environment that is favorable to them, and less

favorable to the normal balance of gut flora.

> I have started with probiotics, and am trying to implement some of

> Andys supplements, but this can be a very expensive pathway as so many

> are inclued in AI, and finding the right one/s is a hit and miss affair.

>

It is difficult at first to decide which ones are necessary. There is

a basic list on pages 33-34.

I find the most expensive is the cod liver oil (I use instead of flax

oil). It is possible to buy many of the other supplements in bulk and

fill your own capsules or buy at iHerb for a reasonable price.

Making your own yogurt is a great way to save $$ on the cost of

probiotics.

J

[Guest guest]

That sounds like an excellent idea to make your own yogurt. Where

might I go to find out how and for supplies? Also you mentioned

pages of a book? where the supplements are listed? I don't have

that. Is there a place on line that I might see this?

Thanks,

> >

> > First I would like to thank those of you who have answered my

posts

> > recently on my painful response to DMSA. I am going to wait

another 2

> > months before trying ALA.

>

> > Answers have focussed on getting the yeast problem under control.

>

>

>

> One answer suggested a yeast problem; the other answers suggested

gut

> problems. Dysbiosis would be one thing to consider and there is no

> reason to rule out bacterial dysbiosis at this point.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Although I have always had throughout my 20 years of CFS,

difficulties

> > with my digestive system I have often suspected candida. But are

there

> > any simple tests (and inexpensive too)to prove that yeast is

actually

> > causing the problem?

>

>

>

> No.

>

> It is likely that mercury is causing the problem and any

opportunists

> that have overpopulated - whether bacteria or yeast - are just

taking

> advantage of an environment that is favorable to them, and less

> favorable to the normal balance of gut flora.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I have started with probiotics, and am trying to implement some

of

> > Andys supplements, but this can be a very expensive pathway as

so many

> > are inclued in AI, and finding the right one/s is a hit and miss

affair.

> >

>

>

>

> It is difficult at first to decide which ones are necessary.

There is

> a basic list on pages 33-34.

>

> I find the most expensive is the cod liver oil (I use instead of

flax

> oil). It is possible to buy many of the other supplements in bulk

and

> fill your own capsules or buy at iHerb for a reasonable price.

>

> Making your own yogurt is a great way to save $$ on the cost of

> probiotics.

>

> J

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to make your own yoghurt from the SCD site.

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http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/yoghurt.

htm

I did it and it was easy!! I can't do dairy so I don;t do it anymore.

Colette

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " "

wrote:

>

> That sounds like an excellent idea to make your own yogurt. Where

> might I go to find out how and for supplies? Also you mentioned

> pages of a book? where the supplements are listed? I don't have

> that. Is there a place on line that I might see this?

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No problem . I would implement the candida diet before the other

stuff. It's the main one to concentrate on, the rest to me is

supplementary and may cause problems if you haven't first starved yeast

out by excluding sugars/gluten/yeast high carb foods etc.

You may end up in a state of feeding it by diet and then attempting to

kill it off by other means, which is a pretty pointless cycle. Though

diet isn't easy because it means being denied of all the foods we love,

sometimes for sheer health one has to make some pretty tough

decisions. And diet is the main key in this senario. It's about

denying what it requires to survive and in the process building up the

immune system with good healthy foods combining with the exclusion of

the bad stuff. Antifungals/probiotics are supplementary aids and help

the process along, but should probably not be started until you are

well on the way with the diet and have already gotten through that die

off process, which is often more than enough to deal with at first.

Cheers.

>

> First I would like to thank those of you who have answered my posts

> recently on my painful response to DMSA. I am going to wait another 2

> months before trying ALA.

> Answers have focussed on getting the yeast problem under control.

> Although I have always had throughout my 20 years of CFS,

difficulties

> with my digestive system I have often suspected candida. But are

there

> any simple tests (and inexpensive too)to prove that yeast is actually

> causing the problem?

> I have started with probiotics, and am trying to implement some of

> Andys supplements, but this can be a very expensive pathway as so

many

> are inclued in AI, and finding the right one/s is a hit and miss

affair.

>

[Guest guest]

I would agree with that mercury is likely the culprit here, and

that candida is merely incidental to that problem.

I had perfect gastrointestinal health before I got a mouthful of

amalgams, after which I developed chronic candida and its associated

symptoms including food intolerances, gas, soft stools, etc. During

the year that it took me to link it all back to the amalgams, I tried

treating just the candida -- with super probiotics, prebiotics,

antifungals, restricting foods I was intolerant too, the candida diet,

and more -- to very little avail. While my symptoms would certainly

fluctuate with various treatments, they were consistently present, and

no treatment I tried could so much as put a lasting dent in them.

When I finally realized that the amalgams had caused the onset of all

of my GI problems and started the amalgam removal process, the

improvement was, by contrast, immediate, full-circle, and lasting. Of

course, I'm speaking only about my own experience, and I consider

myself to have been only very moderately mercury poisoned (I don't

want to mislead anyone into believing that their recovery will

necessarily be as swift, but I do always feel inclined to document my

experience to add to the pool of anecdotal evidence). The first wave

of my improvements occurred, remarkably, in just a few weeks after the

removal of one quadrant of amalgams and without any chelation. Again,

the improvement was like night and day: whereas I'd struggled with GI

symptoms for over a year, within a couple of weeks they were

completely gone (it was not a gradual recovery at all).

I've had a few " relapses " , the nature of which I'd actually be

interested in getting members' feedback on. By " relapse " , here I mean

a sudden reversion to having all of my previous GI symptoms. Three

such described relapses I attribute to the use of those detox foot

pads that I've seen discussed on here. I know this may sound

farfetched, but the coincidence has happened three times in exactly

the same way, and I am completely convinced of the connection. On

three separate occasions after the amalgam removal had improved my GI

symptoms, I tried using these foot pads. Each time, within a day or

two of use, my GI symptoms would come back full-force. It was like

night and day again, except for the worse this time. (You may be

wondering to yourself why I would continued to use the foot pads on

separate occasions after the first experience, and certainly you would

question my intelligence after the second experience. I think it was

because I wanted to actually prove my sneaking suspicion that the foot

pads were involved, and also because I knew from the first and second

experience that the problems could be easily remedied with a round of

chelation).

A similar kind of relapse occurred once when I tried doing a 2-day

juice fast. I'm wondering if these relapses are the result of

redistribution, or if they're actually the result of the process

whereby the body detoxes various organs by pulling mercury out of them

and dumping it into the gut (where it then possibly sits, and destroys

good bacteria and prevents it from being able to colonize). With the

exception of the adverse effect on my GI system, I generally felt

better after using the foot pads and doing the detox. I experienced no

other adverse symptoms (except, one time after using the foot pads, my

lips became insanely dry -- drier than they've ever been -- and

consistently stayed that way until after I did a few rounds of ALA

chelation). Anyway, each time I had these relapses, I was able to

reverse them by doing a round of ALA -- again, it was that

instantaneous. If I waited a few weeks or month (I was pretty bad

about doing consistent rounds for awhile) to do a round, the relapsed

GI symptoms would persist just as long, no matter what I did to my

diet or what amount of probiotics I ingested. But as soon as I did a

round, they would go away! Were the rounds simply removing some

mercury that was stuck in my gut? Is it always a small amount of

mercury (that a single round can help excrete) that prevents the good

bacteria from colonizing and as a result causes the entire range of my

GI symptoms? I just find the immediacy and severity of the changes so

surprising.

I apologize for the long-winded and somewhat off-topic reply. I didn't

mean to ramble on so extensively. To qualify my experience above, I do

want to say that while I had complete success with my GI symptoms, I

did and still have many other symptoms with which I haven't been so

lucky. Some symptoms (chronic insomnia, dreamlessness, depression,

fatigue -- which I recognize could have also been related to the

candida) have certainly subsided over time, but I still struggle with

others (a whole host of eye/vision problems, low sex drive, dry skin,

frequent headaches, etc). And in general I feel extremely fortunate

that I figured out the mercury issue early on (relatively speaking),

and that I've had to deal with far less than many others in this

group. Thanks for listening, and I would like to wish everyone a

healthy and happy new year.

Jo.

>

> First I would like to thank those of you who have answered my posts

> recently on my painful response to DMSA. I am going to wait another 2

> months before trying ALA.

> Answers have focussed on getting the yeast problem under control.

> Although I have always had throughout my 20 years of CFS, difficulties

> with my digestive system I have often suspected candida. But are there

> any simple tests (and inexpensive too)to prove that yeast is actually

> causing the problem?

> I have started with probiotics, and am trying to implement some of

> Andys supplements, but this can be a very expensive pathway as so many

> are inclued in AI, and finding the right one/s is a hit and miss affair.

>