Re: What can I do to improve my sleep quality?

November 27, 2007

I don't know much about this Fran, but the one thing that caught my eye was the

muscle tension and restlessness. You mentioned trying other stuff, but not

magnesium, maybe this would help? I think I remember hearing that extra

magnesium at bedtime has helped some people sleep better.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation francisco barcia wrote:

As many of you with cronic mercury poison, I have not a good rest at night,

and I´m looking for some advice about. it

I have health problems for the last 15 years (I´m 37) and I went (as many of

you) to differents docs without results. 5 years ago (when the antidepressive

medication didn´t work) I insisted to check my dream because I always woke up

very unrefresh. The test show a very bad sleep patern, without REM phase, and

becouse of this it was normal to feel so bad (but the doctor can´t say me why I

had this problem or what I could do to solve it), the sleeping hours don´t rest

me and I had a lot of muscle tension, so the doctor gave me Clonazepan

(Klonopin-USA-Rivotril-U.E.-) 2mg. It was fantastic, I thought I was cured, and

I lived a marvelus mounth like never before, but this great improved began to

finish, and a mount later my situation was the same like always was. Now I want

to waned of clonopin (currently I´m on 0,5mg) becouse I don´t belive it´s

helping me, but is so hard, and the last try to reduce, put me in a very bad

situation, so I went back to my 0,5 pill.

In the meantime (when I was on clonacepan) I tried other things like

melatonin, 5-HTP and Gaba but I haven´t goods results; muscular tension, so many

movements in bed, weird sensations and unrefresh dream. I don´t konw if there

are incompatibilities between clonazepan and the other stuff and I would like to

hear another experiences to get a deep and refresh dream, becouse I know it´s

esential for me.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Fran.

November 27, 2007

>> As many of you with cronic mercury poison, I have not a good

>> rest at night, and I´m looking for some advice about. it

>> Any ideas would be appreciated.

>> Fran.

Fran I am not sure if you have yet had your amalgams out yet

I have went through the ups and downs of klonoprin and trazadone as well

I think ultimately they may cause more problems than they remedy as

they mess up our systems more

I have had some success with the higher doses of melatonin

(I take 10mg). This is per AI book pg 159

Also AI Page 129 recommends taurine and Gaba/tyrosine and

phenylalaline. I take taurine and tyrosine which hasn't seem to help my

sleep

I have heard various things that cause this interrupted sleep including

A) virus reactivations (herpes etc); So I am now trying lysine as well

to keep any viruses down

that this interuption is caused by liver blood cleansing that occues

around 1;30-2:30 which is always when i wake up...so I hope as time

goes by with dmsa chelation, that this will improve as my liver gets

healthier and I have less mercury in me

C) sometimes an epsom salts bath seems to help me stay asleep

D) I am also going to try orinthine (? spelling) which is a parasite

ammonia remover. Parasites apparently create ammonia and orinthine

helps clear it

I feel for you, its been about 4+ years since I have had a regular full

sleep through the night

November 27, 2007

B6 -- lots of it. I take about 150mg and it works. I believe Andy

said unrefreshed sleep means you're lacking in dopamine. Well, b6

affects dopamine somehow. You may have to get the p5p version which is

easier to assimilate in the body. If you're depressed - you need to

get tested for pyroluria. It's a urine test and you can do it without

a doctor. Google pyroluria when you have a chance. I tested off the

charts for it and the treatment is mainly zinc/b6. It seems to be

working for me.

Val

November 27, 2007

Here are some ideas.

Natural stuff: Magnesium...prefer magnesium glycinate or magnesium

taurate. The glycine or taurine in them is similar to the clonazepam

except they are natural and should not poop out like clonazepam did.

Taurine...works in the same brain/body circuits as clonazepam,

except taurine is a natural bodily substance that many of us just do

not get enough or or make enough of...and it is commonly deficient

in heavy metal burdened people. Inositol...worth a try. If you are

into herbs, try Passionflower, Valerian Root, Lemon Balm, or any

combination of them.

Medication stuff: Trazodone 25mg to 50mg...this is an old

antidepressant that never really was a good antidepressant but is

commonly used for sleep. Remeron 7.5mg to 15mg...another

antidepressant for sleep. Amitriptyline 5mg to 25mg...an old

powerful antidepressant...these low doses are commonly used for

sleep...I know a mercury toxic lady who has been using 25mg to 50mg

for over a year for sleep and muscle relaxation. Lunesta...a sleep

medication similar to clonazepam but less likely to poop out.

Gabapentin (Neurontin)...it acts in the same brain circuits as

clonazepam, it is used mainly for seizures or bipolar, but is also

good for restless legs, muscle tension, and sleep...dose escalation

early in treatment is common, but eventually you get to a dose that

works good without needing more...it isn't used much, but I know a

couple people who have remarkable benefit from it mostly for muscle

tension, muscle restlessness, and sleep.

Keep in mind that for at least one or two months after you stop

clonazapem, and during the entire time you are trying to stop it,

you will have many strange things happen, such as poor sleep and

muscle tension and anxiety. So as you try new things, if they don't

work like magic as clonazepam did the first time you tried it,

remember that you are still feeling the effects of readjusting to

clonazepam withdrawal, and what you feel may not be the new medicine

you are trying. After your last dose of clonazepam it will take a

solid two months for its withdrawal effects to be completely gone to

a point that you know whatever you are feeling is not from that.

Clonzazepam almost always poops out. It is good for short term. The

other medications listed above can be taken for sleep for years

without pooping out.

>

> As many of you with cronic mercury poison, I have not a good

rest at night, and I´m looking for some advice about. it

>

> I have health problems for the last 15 years (I´m 37) and I went

(as many of you) to differents docs without results. 5 years ago

(when the antidepressive medication didn´t work) I insisted to check

my dream because I always woke up very unrefresh. The test show a

very bad sleep patern, without REM phase, and becouse of this it was

normal to feel so bad (but the doctor can´t say me why I had this

problem or what I could do to solve it), the sleeping hours don´t

rest me and I had a lot of muscle tension, so the doctor gave me

Clonazepan (Klonopin-USA-Rivotril-U.E.-) 2mg. It was fantastic, I

thought I was cured, and I lived a marvelus mounth like never

before, but this great improved began to finish, and a mount later

my situation was the same like always was. Now I want to waned of

clonopin (currently I´m on 0,5mg) becouse I don´t belive it´s

helping me, but is so hard, and the last try to reduce, put me in a

very bad situation, so I went back to my 0,5 pill.

>

> In the meantime (when I was on clonacepan) I tried other things

like melatonin, 5-HTP and Gaba but I haven´t goods results; muscular

tension, so many movements in bed, weird sensations and unrefresh

dream. I don´t konw if there are incompatibilities between

clonazepan and the other stuff and I would like to hear another

experiences to get a deep and refresh dream, becouse I know it´s

esential for me.

>

> Any ideas would be appreciated.

>

> Fran.

>

November 28, 2007

Thank you for all the ideas you gave me I wish I can improve my sleep

quality becouse it seems to be the key of a good quality of life while I am

chelating mercury (1 year and a half, currently 50ALA/50DMSA).

I´m going to coment your post to clarify things and to make some questions

(sorry if I could understand 100% of your post, I have to improve my english

level too :-) ):

..--------Jackie------------------------------------------------

I don't know much about this Fran, but the one thing that caught my eye was the

muscle tension and restlessness. You mentioned trying other stuff, but not

magnesium, maybe this would help? I think I remember hearing that extra

magnesium at bedtime has helped some people sleep better

------------Fran----The last 3 nights I have tried mangnesium (300 mg citrate)

but I had to stop due a strange " side effects " . May be I had a deeper sleep (a

lot of dream which I usually don´t remenber) and a bigger sensation of unrefresh

sleem when I woke up (in the afternoon I used to feel quite well). Overall, It

wasn´t positive. May be, will It work with different amount? Is It not

compatible the relaxion effects between magnesium and clonazepam?

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Fran I am not sure if you have yet had your amalgams out yet

-----Fran--- Yes I have (2 years ago)

I have went through the ups and downs of klonoprin and trazadone as well

I think ultimately they may cause more problems than they remedy as

they mess up our systems more

I have had some success with the higher doses of melatonin

(I take 10mg). This is per AI book pg 159

---------Fran---- Are there any incompatibilities between melatonin and

clonazepam? May be I will try again, but I don´t know if it will work, becouse

my problem is not to get the deep phases of the dream (not REM phase); I don´t

wake up in the middle of the night, I don´t fall asleep immediately but It is

not a big problem.

Also AI Page 129 recommends taurine and Gaba/tyrosine and

phenylalaline. I take taurine and tyrosine which hasn't seem to help my

sleep

------Fran-----I was reading AI Page 126 (I think you was wrong) but I think I

have read GABA can not be taken with clonazepan. I tried to replace clonazepam

with GABA and it was very very hard (I don´t know if it was due to sudden stop

of clonazepam or GABA don´t work for me).

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