Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 If you try it, start slow, and do not take more than 8 pellets a day, that would equal 20mg of cortisol or HC. Here's the link to purchase it online: I think Andy usually suggests trying ACE (adrenal cortex extract) first. I believe he thinks it is safer to try, but he does understand that some people actually need HC or cortisol. It can be wonderful stuff when you need it, but it can also be abused and cause other problems, like high blood sugar. That is why I want you to make sure you understand what you are doing.-------Jackie HI, Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for? Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically? While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it? Thanks, Dean-SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: HI, Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for? Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically? While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it? ----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC. And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie Thanks, Dean-SA ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members b.. 3New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Healthy Eating Zone Encouraging families to eat healthy. Yahoo! Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Real Food Group Share recipes, restaurant ratings and favorite meals. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: HI, Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for? Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically? While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it? ----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC. And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie Thanks, Dean-SA ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members b.. 3New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Healthy Eating Zone Encouraging families to eat healthy. Yahoo! Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Real Food Group Share recipes, restaurant ratings and favorite meals. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: HI, Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for? Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically? While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it? ----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC. And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie Thanks, Dean-SA ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members b.. 3New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Healthy Eating Zone Encouraging families to eat healthy. Yahoo! Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Real Food Group Share recipes, restaurant ratings and favorite meals. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 >In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not one-size-fits-all anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then my needs changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect the dosage is off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a snapshot and not exactly absent of fluctuation. So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it around, and testing every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I don;t see how any part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done. NellA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote: >In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. -------------------- Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not one-size-fits-all anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then my needs changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect the dosage is off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a snapshot and not exactly absent of fluctuation. So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it around, and testing every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I don;t see how any part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done. NellA ------------------------- Thanks Nell, I agree that this isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing, and I'm sure some of us will have to be on HC longer than others. I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of testing? And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The reason I'm asking is I just did another saliva test, and my morning cortisol has gone down quite a bit. I didn't take any HC the day of testing, but I took it the day before. So I'm wondering if my adrenals are in worse shape because of recent stress, or are they used to getting the dose of HC and just not making as much cortisol in the morning? I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to see what she says too. Thanks-------Jackie Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 3New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find Yahoo! Groups that are focused on healthy eating. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote: >In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to cycle on and off. -------------------- Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not one-size-fits-all anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then my needs changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect the dosage is off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a snapshot and not exactly absent of fluctuation. So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it around, and testing every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I don;t see how any part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done. NellA ------------------------- Thanks Nell, I agree that this isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing, and I'm sure some of us will have to be on HC longer than others. I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of testing? And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The reason I'm asking is I just did another saliva test, and my morning cortisol has gone down quite a bit. I didn't take any HC the day of testing, but I took it the day before. So I'm wondering if my adrenals are in worse shape because of recent stress, or are they used to getting the dose of HC and just not making as much cortisol in the morning? I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to see what she says too. Thanks-------Jackie Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 3New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find Yahoo! Groups that are focused on healthy eating. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 > > I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of testing? I kept taking it as usual, only I put it in a gelcap and I tried to take the HC and the sample as far away from each other as I could and stay within my usual dosing times/sample times. I didn;t go off it because I knew I still needed some, just needed an idea of when/how much. >And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The morning number was way high and it had been low. I stopped taking HC on waking because of that, which worked for awhile...but I'm taking it again now and clearly needing it. > I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to see what she says too. Me too! Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 > > I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of testing? I kept taking it as usual, only I put it in a gelcap and I tried to take the HC and the sample as far away from each other as I could and stay within my usual dosing times/sample times. I didn;t go off it because I knew I still needed some, just needed an idea of when/how much. >And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The morning number was way high and it had been low. I stopped taking HC on waking because of that, which worked for awhile...but I'm taking it again now and clearly needing it. > I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to see what she says too. Me too! Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 > > hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone? > how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10 > was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went > to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much > energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance. Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like I never want to get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also saliva tests are informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol status that the test is less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hi guys. Here's a post from Andy that might pertain to our problem with dosing HC. If you have a messed up pituitary and that paradoxical adrenal stress response, then it's hard to know how much HC to take and when. I think this might be my problem. Hope this helps.--------Jackie http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/17133 In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote: > > hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone? > how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10 > was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went > to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much > energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance. Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like I never want to get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also saliva tests are informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol status that the test is less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hi guys. Here's a post from Andy that might pertain to our problem with dosing HC. If you have a messed up pituitary and that paradoxical adrenal stress response, then it's hard to know how much HC to take and when. I think this might be my problem. Hope this helps.--------Jackie http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/17133 In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote: > > hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone? > how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10 > was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went > to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much > energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance. Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like I never want to get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also saliva tests are informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol status that the test is less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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