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If you try it, start slow, and do not take more than 8 pellets a day, that

would equal 20mg of cortisol or HC. Here's the link to purchase it online:

I think Andy usually suggests trying ACE (adrenal cortex extract) first.

I believe he thinks it is safer to try, but he does understand that some

people actually need HC or cortisol. It can be wonderful stuff when you

need it, but it can also be abused and cause other problems, like high blood

sugar. That is why I want you to make sure you understand what you are

doing.-------Jackie

HI,

Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for?

Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically?

While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it?

Thanks,

Dean-SA

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HI,

Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for?

Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically?

While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it?

----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of

many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are

safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your

adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself

off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any

of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to

cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when

you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a

very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm

dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC.

And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping

doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or

less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider

myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished

chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie

Thanks,

Dean-SA

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In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

HI,

Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for?

Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically?

While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it?

----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of

many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are

safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your

adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself

off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any

of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to

cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when

you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a

very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm

dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC.

And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping

doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or

less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider

myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished

chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie

Thanks,

Dean-SA

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In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

HI,

Does anyone know how long you can be on 20mg or less of cortisol for?

Is it an indefinite time period, or should you cycle off periodically?

While I've seen cortisol change lives, how long is it safe to be on it?

----------In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of

many patients being on 20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are

safe to use for a long time. But I also thought the reasoning was to give your

adrenals a rest, in hopes that they will repair, and then you can wean yourself

off of it. Now since chelation in itself is stressful, it doesn't seem like any

of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it would be hard to

cycle on and off. And I totally agree, it can be a life changing thing, when

you need it. You just have to be careful not to abuse it. I went through a

very stressful period this fall and did *alot* of stress dosing, and now I'm

dealing with high blood sugar problems, probably largely due to too much HC.

And I know someone else having problems from too much stress-dosing, so keeping

doses as low as possible, is important. But supposedly if you stay at 20mg or

less, that is suppose to be fine. So that is what I know, and I don't consider

myself an expert, so it would be nice to hear from someone who has finished

chelating and has gotten off of HC.-------Jackie

Thanks,

Dean-SA

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>In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many patients

being on

20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long

time. But I

also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that they

will repair,

and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is

stressful, it doesn't

seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it

would be hard to

cycle on and off.

Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not

one-size-fits-all

anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then my

needs

changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect the

dosage is

off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a

snapshot and not

exactly absent of fluctuation.

So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it around,

and testing

every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I don;t

see how any

part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done.

NellA

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>In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many

patients being on

20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long

time. But I

also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that

they will repair,

and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is

stressful, it doesn't

seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it

would be hard to

cycle on and off.

--------------------

Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not

one-size-fits-all

anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then

my needs

changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect

the dosage is

off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a

snapshot and not

exactly absent of fluctuation.

So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it

around, and testing

every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I

don;t see how any

part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done.

NellA

-------------------------

Thanks Nell, I agree that this isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing, and

I'm sure some of us will have to be on HC longer than others.

I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did

you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day

of testing? And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The reason I'm

asking is I just did another saliva test, and my morning cortisol has gone down

quite a bit. I didn't take any HC the day of testing, but I took it the day

before. So I'm wondering if my adrenals are in worse shape because of recent

stress, or are they used to getting the dose of HC and just not making as much

cortisol in the morning? I haven't had a chance to review these with yet,

so I'll be curious to see what she says too.

Thanks-------Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote:

>In Jefferies book, The Safe Uses of Cortisol, he gave examples of many

patients being on

20mg a day for years. So supposedly the lower doses are safe to use for a long

time. But I

also thought the reasoning was to give your adrenals a rest, in hopes that

they will repair,

and then you can wean yourself off of it. Now since chelation in itself is

stressful, it doesn't

seem like any of us can wean off of it while we're chelating, and I think it

would be hard to

cycle on and off.

--------------------

Yes, I don't know that there's an answer for this and probably it's not

one-size-fits-all

anyway. I was taking 20 mgs of HC for about 7 months, and needed it, but then

my needs

changed and it was an overdose. I guess testing would help when you suspect

the dosage is

off one way or another, but I get the idea that the testing is kind of a

snapshot and not

exactly absent of fluctuation.

So I'm kind of sticking with a dosage until it feels wrong, changing it

around, and testing

every so often but not that often. And hoping for the best. As you say, I

don;t see how any

part of the endocrine system is going to be fixed until chelation is done.

NellA

-------------------------

Thanks Nell, I agree that this isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing, and

I'm sure some of us will have to be on HC longer than others.

I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did

you stop taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day

of testing? And what have your numbers done, gone up or down? The reason I'm

asking is I just did another saliva test, and my morning cortisol has gone down

quite a bit. I didn't take any HC the day of testing, but I took it the day

before. So I'm wondering if my adrenals are in worse shape because of recent

stress, or are they used to getting the dose of HC and just not making as much

cortisol in the morning? I haven't had a chance to review these with yet,

so I'll be curious to see what she says too.

Thanks-------Jackie

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>

> I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did

you stop

taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of

testing?

I kept taking it as usual, only I put it in a gelcap and I tried to take the HC

and the sample

as far away from each other as I could and stay within my usual dosing

times/sample

times. I didn;t go off it because I knew I still needed some, just needed an

idea of

when/how much.

>And what have your numbers done, gone up or down?

The morning number was way high and it had been low. I stopped taking HC on

waking

because of that, which worked for awhile...but I'm taking it again now and

clearly needing

it.

> I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to

see what she

says too.

Me too!

Nell

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> I'm curious about when you have done testing after already being on HC, did

you stop

taking it for a number of days before testing, or just not on the day of

testing?

I kept taking it as usual, only I put it in a gelcap and I tried to take the HC

and the sample

as far away from each other as I could and stay within my usual dosing

times/sample

times. I didn;t go off it because I knew I still needed some, just needed an

idea of

when/how much.

>And what have your numbers done, gone up or down?

The morning number was way high and it had been low. I stopped taking HC on

waking

because of that, which worked for awhile...but I'm taking it again now and

clearly needing

it.

> I haven't had a chance to review these with yet, so I'll be curious to

see what she

says too.

Me too!

Nell

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> hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone?

> how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10

> was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went

> to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much

> energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance.

Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like I

never want to

get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also

saliva tests are

informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol status

that the test is

less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place.

Nell

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Hi guys. Here's a post from Andy that might pertain to our problem with dosing

HC. If you have a messed up pituitary and that paradoxical adrenal stress

response, then it's hard to know how much HC to take and when. I think this

might be my problem. Hope this helps.--------Jackie

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/17133

In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote:

>

> hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone?

> how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10

> was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went

> to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much

> energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance.

Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like

I never want to

get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also

saliva tests are

informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol

status that the test is

less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place.

Nell

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Hi guys. Here's a post from Andy that might pertain to our problem with dosing

HC. If you have a messed up pituitary and that paradoxical adrenal stress

response, then it's hard to know how much HC to take and when. I think this

might be my problem. Hope this helps.--------Jackie

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/17133

In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote:

>

> hi nella how did you know when to change your dosage of hydrocortisone?

> how did you feel? i am on 5-10 mg cortef - down from 20 in august. 10

> was good for a couple mos then started having trouble sleeping so went

> to 5 but at 5 i want to sleep all the time and i don;t have as much

> energy and more joint pain. shucks it's hard to get a balance.

Yes, it is hard. For me, increase in belly fat means too much HC. Feeling like

I never want to

get out of the chair, along with feelings of dread, mean too little HC. Also

saliva tests are

informative as well -- but I think really so many things affect cortisol

status that the test is

less helpful once you've had it confirm adrenal fatigue in the first place.

Nell

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