Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > Sorry to ask again, but noone answered last time I asked: > > My baby was back to back in the womb and born like that (induced labour...no > intervention...and I now feel very lucky I had a normal delivery!). DEspite > it taking nearly 3 hours to push the head out, why exactly is it so much > harder and more painful to give birth to a baby in that position? > > My doctor suggested an epidural as it would be a very painful delivery, but > never told me why. Can someone please explain. > > Thanks, > > > Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Correct me if I am wrong, but from IIRC This labour is called posterior, baby's spine against your spine and is difficult and longer for a few reasons: Firstly you are likely to have almost constant backache contractions because of the pressure of the baby's weight. Then the baby has another 90 degrees to rotate from the baby in the optimal position, and can get stuck in the pubic bones on his way round. If he is born still facing up, then he is presenting the widest rather than the narrowest part of his head, which could explain your long struggle to deliver the head. I went to a very fascinating study day run by Optimal Fetal Positioning Guru and midwife Jean Sutton earlier this year and since then I have really pushed the advantages of OFP in my classes. If the pregnant woman spends a lot of time slouching back or sitting leaning back, the baby is much more likely to settle in the posterior position. Midwives are likely to tell you that the baby is head down, but not whether it is anterior or posterior, so it's worth asking. Spend more time on all fours, or at least leaning forwards, to discourage the baby from settling posterior. HTH Ruthie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > Sorry to ask again, but noone answered last time I asked: > > My baby was back to back in the womb and born like that (induced labour...no > intervention...and I now feel very lucky I had a normal delivery!). DEspite > it taking nearly 3 hours to push the head out, why exactly is it so much > harder and more painful to give birth to a baby in that position? > > My doctor suggested an epidural as it would be a very painful delivery, but > never told me why. Can someone please explain. > > Thanks, > > > Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Correct me if I am wrong, but from IIRC This labour is called posterior, baby's spine against your spine and is difficult and longer for a few reasons: Firstly you are likely to have almost constant backache contractions because of the pressure of the baby's weight. Then the baby has another 90 degrees to rotate from the baby in the optimal position, and can get stuck in the pubic bones on his way round. If he is born still facing up, then he is presenting the widest rather than the narrowest part of his head, which could explain your long struggle to deliver the head. I went to a very fascinating study day run by Optimal Fetal Positioning Guru and midwife Jean Sutton earlier this year and since then I have really pushed the advantages of OFP in my classes. If the pregnant woman spends a lot of time slouching back or sitting leaning back, the baby is much more likely to settle in the posterior position. Midwives are likely to tell you that the baby is head down, but not whether it is anterior or posterior, so it's worth asking. Spend more time on all fours, or at least leaning forwards, to discourage the baby from settling posterior. HTH Ruthie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > Sorry to ask again, but noone answered last time I asked: > > My baby was back to back in the womb and born like that (induced labour...no > intervention...and I now feel very lucky I had a normal delivery!). DEspite > it taking nearly 3 hours to push the head out, why exactly is it so much > harder and more painful to give birth to a baby in that position? > > My doctor suggested an epidural as it would be a very painful delivery, but > never told me why. Can someone please explain. > > Thanks, > > > Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Correct me if I am wrong, but from IIRC This labour is called posterior, baby's spine against your spine and is difficult and longer for a few reasons: Firstly you are likely to have almost constant backache contractions because of the pressure of the baby's weight. Then the baby has another 90 degrees to rotate from the baby in the optimal position, and can get stuck in the pubic bones on his way round. If he is born still facing up, then he is presenting the widest rather than the narrowest part of his head, which could explain your long struggle to deliver the head. I went to a very fascinating study day run by Optimal Fetal Positioning Guru and midwife Jean Sutton earlier this year and since then I have really pushed the advantages of OFP in my classes. If the pregnant woman spends a lot of time slouching back or sitting leaning back, the baby is much more likely to settle in the posterior position. Midwives are likely to tell you that the baby is head down, but not whether it is anterior or posterior, so it's worth asking. Spend more time on all fours, or at least leaning forwards, to discourage the baby from settling posterior. HTH Ruthie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Having said that, some babies won't turn in utero if the placenta is on the anterior (front) wall of the uterus because , it seems, they don't like to lie against the placenta so it is vital that midwives/health profs/mothers understand that progress in first stage will be slow, labour is often overdue and that spending time in labour on all fours is very important as it maximises the uterine contractions which will try to turn the baby round. What you don't need with a back to back baby is a hospital which induces labour and then puts mother in a supine (backward leaning) position with continuous monitoring. Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: Back to back births > > > Sorry to ask again, but noone answered last time I asked: > > > > My baby was back to back in the womb and born like that (induced > labour...no > > intervention...and I now feel very lucky I had a normal delivery!). > DEspite > > it taking nearly 3 hours to push the head out, why exactly is it so > much > > harder and more painful to give birth to a baby in that position? > > > This labour is called posterior, baby's spine against your spine and > is difficult and longer for a few reasons: > > Firstly you are likely to have almost constant backache contractions > because of the pressure of the baby's weight. > > Then the baby has another 90 degrees to rotate from the baby in the > optimal position, and can get stuck in the pubic bones on his way > round. If he is born still facing up, then he is presenting the > widest rather than the narrowest part of his head, which could explain > your long struggle to deliver the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > Having said that, some babies won't turn in utero if the placenta is > on the anterior (front) wall of the uterus because , it seems, they > don't like to lie against the placenta ; thanks for improving my knowledge base of OP pregnancies! I don't recall JS mentioning anterior lying placentas! Appreciated! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > Having said that, some babies won't turn in utero if the placenta is > on the anterior (front) wall of the uterus because , it seems, they > don't like to lie against the placenta ; thanks for improving my knowledge base of OP pregnancies! I don't recall JS mentioning anterior lying placentas! Appreciated! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Lesley wrote: > Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy > pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with > sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural > for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because > the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so > forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women > about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again > and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the > position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. > 'Failure to progress' isn't that just an awful phrase? It is writ large on the notes from my first labour - during labour no one told me that was posterior - or suggested that I might like to get up and move around (not a possibility after the epidural anyway), nor did they tell me that the lip of my cervix was trapped between the babies head and my pelvic bone, and that getting onto my hands and knees with my bum in the air *may* have relieved this problem. What did happen is me being wheeled through the reception area with my legs in stirrups - to the emergency delivery room, being told all the while that 'baby' was in distress, a third degree episiotomy and a ventouse delivery - after which the doctor who delivered him whisked away my silent, denim coloured baby without a word to me or my husband and the midwife telling me that I was lucky not to have needed a C-section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Lesley wrote: > Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy > pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with > sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural > for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because > the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so > forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women > about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again > and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the > position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. > 'Failure to progress' isn't that just an awful phrase? It is writ large on the notes from my first labour - during labour no one told me that was posterior - or suggested that I might like to get up and move around (not a possibility after the epidural anyway), nor did they tell me that the lip of my cervix was trapped between the babies head and my pelvic bone, and that getting onto my hands and knees with my bum in the air *may* have relieved this problem. What did happen is me being wheeled through the reception area with my legs in stirrups - to the emergency delivery room, being told all the while that 'baby' was in distress, a third degree episiotomy and a ventouse delivery - after which the doctor who delivered him whisked away my silent, denim coloured baby without a word to me or my husband and the midwife telling me that I was lucky not to have needed a C-section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 > What you don't > need with a back to back baby is a hospital which induces labour and > then puts mother in a supine (backward leaning) position with > continuous monitoring. Thanks , If I ever get into this position again I will try to TELL the said midwife a bit more forcefully that I DO NOT want lie on my back being monitored. I was induced so I was told I had to be monitored. > hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. All fours for me in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 My baby was back to back in the womb and born like that (induced labour...no intervention...and I now feel very lucky I had a normal delivery!). DEspite it taking nearly 3 hours to push the head out, why exactly is it so much harder and more painful to give birth to a baby in that position? My doctor suggested an epidural as it would be a very painful delivery, but never told me why. You have just brought back memories of my 1st two boys births. DS1 was also posterior and my waters broke and I went into the hospital but nothing was happening as far as I was concerned. I had back ache for hours, but just thought it was nothing. I had never heard of posterior babies. The shift changed and a new midwife asked when I was last examined " never " so she did a quick internal and told me I was in labour - news to me. Jack was born after a fair bit of pushing, but with only pethadine (which I think I had a little too late really). I had not felt 1 contraction. DS2 was also posterior but with him I could feel every contraction and also had bad, bad backache. This was worse than DS1 as I could not get comfortable, again I had pethadine and he was born after 3 pushes. DS3 was not posterior and I have told of his birth before. But briefly, I was induced, and his birth was very quick and he arrived in my knickers at the side of the bed, whilst the midwife went to get me pethadine! I think I was only in the delivery room for about 5 mins max. Trisha SAHM to 3 boys Jack 7, 6 and Isaac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 wrote.. < > With my birthing plan for Eloisa (I had a weird agreement over the homedelivery could not get cover over the 4 days around the millennium so had agreed to go into hospital if it happened then) I had in italic's .. I do not wish to be put on the fetal monitor as I am certain that this was one of the reasons my first labour was as long as it was. Should you want to monitor baby please use a handheld monitor (I have temporarily forgotten the name of this thing am sure someone can help me here ;o) ).. That was my one thing about having to perhaps go into labour I so did not want to get anywhere near that darn monitor.. Thankfully my mw was great about this and ensured me that it would be ok (and put on my notes that I had objections to this so it was not to even be suggested) It will be on my notes again though should I for some reason end up in hospital (I have ordered a repeat Eloisa labour though ;o) ) Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 - that was all really fascinating...thanks....I suppose if the placenta is on the anterior wall you can't do optimal positioning things before the birth, but could you please remind us of how to try to persuade baby into an optimal position for labour? Is it lying a lot on your left side, not sitting lolling backwards etc?? Caro > Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy > pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with > sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural > for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because > the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so > forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women > about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again > and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the > position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. > > Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 - that was all really fascinating...thanks....I suppose if the placenta is on the anterior wall you can't do optimal positioning things before the birth, but could you please remind us of how to try to persuade baby into an optimal position for labour? Is it lying a lot on your left side, not sitting lolling backwards etc?? Caro > Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy > pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with > sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural > for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because > the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so > forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women > about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again > and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the > position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. > > Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 - that was all really fascinating...thanks....I suppose if the placenta is on the anterior wall you can't do optimal positioning things before the birth, but could you please remind us of how to try to persuade baby into an optimal position for labour? Is it lying a lot on your left side, not sitting lolling backwards etc?? Caro > Well done for birthing your OP baby - you must have a lovely roomy > pelvis. Many mothers don't get to second stage, they end up with > sections for " failure to progress " or they have to have an epidural > for the pain and then end up in difficulties in second stage because > the muscles which rotate the baby are over-relaxed by the epidural so > forceps/ventouse/c section are again common. Whenever I talk to women > about difficult births, posterior position just seems to come up again > and again yet often they are never even told that the baby is in the > position and hospitals seem to be clueless how to help. > > Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Ruthie.. Ahh, that will explain the agonising back ache and my deciion to have an epidural. THe pain in my back was actually far worse than the contractions, and I didnt have the urge to push, as it was masked with back ache. I managed to push baby out but purely because I wanted to stop the pain! I guess sitting on my bad back for 17 hours didnt help much!! (nor did a broken coxcyx!). Thanks for the explanation. I coulnt kneel on all fours as I had a bad back all through pregnancy anyway...hope the next one is better! Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Ruthie.. Ahh, that will explain the agonising back ache and my deciion to have an epidural. THe pain in my back was actually far worse than the contractions, and I didnt have the urge to push, as it was masked with back ache. I managed to push baby out but purely because I wanted to stop the pain! I guess sitting on my bad back for 17 hours didnt help much!! (nor did a broken coxcyx!). Thanks for the explanation. I coulnt kneel on all fours as I had a bad back all through pregnancy anyway...hope the next one is better! Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 In a message dated 17/07/2001 13:54:54 GMT Daylight Time, jenny@... writes: > Having said that, some babies won't turn in utero if the placenta is > on the anterior (front) wall of the uterus because , it seems, they > don't like to lie against the placenta so it is vital that > midwives/health profs/mothers understand that progress in first stage > will be slow, labour is often overdue and that spending time in labour > on all fours is very important as it maximises the uterine > contractions which will try to turn the baby round. What you don't > need with a back to back baby is a hospital which induces labour and > then puts mother in a supine (backward leaning) position with > continuous monitoring. > > I was induced and they knew he was back to back...makes me wonder why they > insisted on a mobile epidural, and then made me lie flat on my back for the > whole labour with a fetal monitor stuck to my bump. Looking back it seems > that the odds were really stacked against me having my baby without > intervention. They did let the whole epidural wear off....which quite > frankly was ******* agony, as I had been sitting on a bad back and broken > coxcyx for 17 hours....it was far worse than the contractions!! > > In fact, 4 months on, and I am still suffereing from sitting in one > position for all that time...really messed my back up! Still....the > outcome was great! Just wish I had known all this before hand, and I would have held off the induction for another few days, and tried to be more mobile during labour! > > Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 In a message dated 17/07/2001 13:54:54 GMT Daylight Time, jenny@... writes: > Having said that, some babies won't turn in utero if the placenta is > on the anterior (front) wall of the uterus because , it seems, they > don't like to lie against the placenta so it is vital that > midwives/health profs/mothers understand that progress in first stage > will be slow, labour is often overdue and that spending time in labour > on all fours is very important as it maximises the uterine > contractions which will try to turn the baby round. What you don't > need with a back to back baby is a hospital which induces labour and > then puts mother in a supine (backward leaning) position with > continuous monitoring. > > I was induced and they knew he was back to back...makes me wonder why they > insisted on a mobile epidural, and then made me lie flat on my back for the > whole labour with a fetal monitor stuck to my bump. Looking back it seems > that the odds were really stacked against me having my baby without > intervention. They did let the whole epidural wear off....which quite > frankly was ******* agony, as I had been sitting on a bad back and broken > coxcyx for 17 hours....it was far worse than the contractions!! > > In fact, 4 months on, and I am still suffereing from sitting in one > position for all that time...really messed my back up! Still....the > outcome was great! Just wish I had known all this before hand, and I would have held off the induction for another few days, and tried to be more mobile during labour! > > Mum to Rohan (4 mths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 > Ahh, that will explain the agonising back ache and my deciion to have an > epidural. THe pain in my back was actually far worse than the contractions, > and I didnt have the urge to push, as it was masked with back ache. I had a posterior labour too and it wasn't pleasant. In fact, if I ever get any bowel cramps it reminds me of labour and the intense feeling she was emerging from my bum, not my vagina! I couldn't make DH or my mum understand just how hard they needed to push against my lower back to counteract the pain and got very frustrated. I spent a lot of the early part of labour leaning forward, draped across the monitoring machine which was at the side of my bed (but not hooked up). It went some way to easing the pain but wasn't enough. I've heard that to achieve OFP (optimal foetal positioning), amongst other things, it's good to get into the 'floor-scrubbing' position for about half an hour every day for the last few weeks of pregnancy. Also slack abdominal muscles might contribute as well as speding too much time slouching around. -- Sue Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 - that was all really fascinating...thanks....I suppose if the > placenta is on the anterior wall you can't do optimal positioning > things before the birth, but could you please remind us of how to try > to persuade baby into an optimal position for labour? Is it lying a > lot on your left side, not sitting lolling backwards etc?? > > Caro > Yes but its worth a try even if your placenta is anterior as you might manage to persuade baby to lie laterally from which it is a short rotation to anterior once labour starts. Basically if you can sit with your legs crossed in the last 6 weeks of pregnancy then your pelvis is tilted too far back. Lying on your left side (right will do but left optimises the blood return to your heart and foetal blood flow) is helpful at night but don't get pressure sores. If you can get one of those kneeling stool things and your knees can stand it, they are excellent for sitting at the pooter or just sitting really! Also spending some time each day slumped forward over a beanbag (knees really wide, sit your bottem on your heals and slump forward from the hips) really helps and is a good excuse to do nothing and watch telly!! Its also a great position to be massaged in. If you have a Pezzi ball then kneeling on the floor with your upper torso on the ball and rocking slowly back and forth helps to ease back pain. Janet Balaskas has got some great stuff in " Easy Exercises for Pregnancy " which title nearly put me off and I wish she would call it " Postures " or something so it doesn't put off the weak willed and flabby like me. Above and beyond all else it made me feel like I was doing something positive to help myself avoid another badly positioned baby but the big rule is do not berate yourself if baby still won't turn as there are a variety of reasons why they might not, including the shape of your pelvis. Crawling about is useful but energy sapping but might be a saviour in labour. I've read somewhere about going up the stairs sideways but don't fully understand that, I think Ruthie might know more. As to why it hurts more, imagine the uterus as a balloon into which you have a large solid object. The heaviest parts of the object (baby) are its back and head. If those are facing towards mum's tum, the abdominal cavity and wall are much more flexible, indeed because they flex they help baby to tuck his chin down on his chest so that the smallest diameter of his head presents to the pelvis - this is why many posterior babies do not engage into the pelvis and why labour may also be delayed because the head is not down over the cervix, one of the things we know stimulates the release of oxytocin which causes contractions. Anyway, if the heavy part of the baby is against mums lower spine then she gets a lot more pressure against the spine and there is much less " give " in it as the baby moves down hence the additional pain. In addition the baby is likely to move down, if at all, with his head more upright, presenting a much bigger diameter to the pelvis at which point labour may slow or stop. If, like me, some ill informed wotsit decides to break your waters before the baby has descended into the pelvis the resulting suction force may cause baby to tilt his head backwards into a brow position which is unbirthable except by c-section. Sorry, a bit long! Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: Re: Back to back births > - that was all really fascinating...thanks....I suppose if the > placenta is on the anterior wall you can't do optimal positioning > things before the birth, but could you please remind us of how to try > to persuade baby into an optimal position for labour? Is it lying a > lot on your left side, not sitting lolling backwards etc?? > > Caro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 I've read somewhere about going up the stairs sideways but don't fully > understand that, I think Ruthie might know more. According to JS sideways walking up the stairs, taking big wide crablike steps, not dainty little ones, particularly using the leg on the left side to open up the pelvis on that side to its fullest, can help a baby out of the OP position, as sometimes it's our legs which are restricting movement. During the study day we watched a video of a woman in a posterior labour who was moving freely around the floor on all floors. At one stage the woman seemed instinctively to lift one leg high, a bit like a dog doing a wee. This apparently helped the baby to turn and he was born soon after that. Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 During the study day we watched a > video of a woman in a posterior labour who was moving freely around > the floor on all floors. Whoops, that was meant to be all *fours* not all floors :-)) Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 If you can get one of those kneeling stool things and > your knees can stand it, they are excellent for sitting at the pooter > or just sitting really! Also spending some time each day slumped > forward over a beanbag ( I used one of these for most of my second pregnancy and also used it during labour......kneeling on the floor and resting over the seat part the knee part gave good bump support during contractions.....it did howver get rather amusing when I suddenly went into second stage and wanted to get rid of it ...there wasn't much room in the bedroom to lose it and as second stage was only ten minutes it got a little intense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sonjia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 One further thing that can be done in labour is lunges . Left foot forward, right foot spaced well behind and then 'dipping' with bent knees. Hope that makes sense - almost like a fencing thrust. In theory it encourages the baby to rotate. Caroline Retired ANT Jersey > I've read somewhere about going up the stairs sideways but don't fully > understand that, I think Ruthie might know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 As well as the walking up the stairs sideways, my midwife told me to walk up the stairs " sumo " style before and during labour to help turn DS - which worked a treat! Joanne King SAHM to Ethan - HB 29.06.00 Minute Secretary Colchester & District Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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