Re: A Brain fog and Tinnitus link - coming from a sound engineer

[Guest guest]

Josh. Are you saying that you think you are experiencing a mental

exhaustion, that has to do with the stress of working the part of your

brain that deals with hearing? That it's not really a problem in the ear?

That certainly sounds plausible.

Dave.

Posted by: " Josh Hulgan " neautika@...

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dazflux http://profiles.yahoo.com/dazflux>

Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:15 pm (PST)

I think there is a link here between these two.

[Guest guest]

Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

too soon.

I noticed it was much worse with those little headphone plugs that go

in your ear and had less problems with big enclosed headphones.

Pain: I think you described it perfectly when you said " ice picks " –

that is exactly how it feels to me. Lots of little ice picks stabbing

inside the ear. and yes, made me feel tired, fatigued, drained.

Much to my dismay I can no longer DJ and no longer mix with

headphones due to my poor health;-( Listening to loud music from

speakers is no problem.

All this was prior to my mercury knowledge and I don't know how this

fits in with mercury poisoning. Is it something to do with EMF

sensitivity because the mercury has done so much damage? I have not

had an extended period with headphones on for 2 years now. I have

been amalgam free for 4 months now and have not retested it. If I do…

I will let u know. my brain fog is minimal now.

All Cutler's words have been true for me….don't deviate from the

protocol and start real low dose. Good luck with Chelation.

Sunshine

>

> I think there is a link here between these two.

>

> First off, I am a sound engineer who recently had his amalgams

> replaced. I developed Tinnitus from what I thought was simply from

> too long. Its not even bad and does not bother me. I thought this

> was from long mixing sessions under intense thinking. I want to

> mention that I believe when I have got advice on tinnitus in the

> past... it seems most people seem to think this guy got this from

> blasting music and going to concerts. Thats the thing... I did

not...

> I monitor low. Loud is bad, lessens your mixing time and and even

> accuracy sometimes. However I knew something else was going on.

>

>

> I have a hard time putting my work down... The sounds keep playing

> back in my head. I will push myself to where I have what feels

like a

> hangover the next day. Except I have not drank anything! I read

> something while researching Cutler and this 'brain fog' thing... I

> have used this hangover word before! This is it! This is THAT

> feeling. These people sound like me talking about this insane

> exhaustion I get. I mix no louder than 55dbA. Most people listen

to

> TV louder than what I mix at. After 4 hours, I am spent. After 4

> hours mixing you loose mix accuracy, this is because of some in-ear

> limiting. This is where I think im getting mixed up advice. I do

not

> think this is *listening fatigue*. This feels like ice picks

> sometimes at the base of my inner ears... but I feel like its all in

> my head. My ears do not actually hurt. Things are just extremely

> irritating and go away as soon as my mind gets off of things. Also,

> my studio is professionally treated and has been tested many times.

> This is not coming from anything acoustically fatiguing me either.

I

> may be a musician, but this did not I know this happen during loud

> mixing. I never go to concerts or blast music ever.

>

> Somebody here has to know what I am talking about??? I am hoping

this

> OCD/brain-fog whatever gos away a few months down the road. Any

musicians?

>

>

> I just had my amalgams removed a week ago. DMSA is on the way...

and

> Im going to follow cutlers words exactly.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

too soon.

I noticed it was much worse with those little headphone plugs that go

in your ear and had less problems with big enclosed headphones.

Pain: I think you described it perfectly when you said " ice picks " –

that is exactly how it feels to me. Lots of little ice picks stabbing

inside the ear. and yes, made me feel tired, fatigued, drained.

Much to my dismay I can no longer DJ and no longer mix with

headphones due to my poor health;-( Listening to loud music from

speakers is no problem.

All this was prior to my mercury knowledge and I don't know how this

fits in with mercury poisoning. Is it something to do with EMF

sensitivity because the mercury has done so much damage? I have not

had an extended period with headphones on for 2 years now. I have

been amalgam free for 4 months now and have not retested it. If I do…

I will let u know. my brain fog is minimal now.

All Cutler's words have been true for me….don't deviate from the

protocol and start real low dose. Good luck with Chelation.

Sunshine

>

> I think there is a link here between these two.

>

> First off, I am a sound engineer who recently had his amalgams

> replaced. I developed Tinnitus from what I thought was simply from

> too long. Its not even bad and does not bother me. I thought this

> was from long mixing sessions under intense thinking. I want to

> mention that I believe when I have got advice on tinnitus in the

> past... it seems most people seem to think this guy got this from

> blasting music and going to concerts. Thats the thing... I did

not...

> I monitor low. Loud is bad, lessens your mixing time and and even

> accuracy sometimes. However I knew something else was going on.

>

>

> I have a hard time putting my work down... The sounds keep playing

> back in my head. I will push myself to where I have what feels

like a

> hangover the next day. Except I have not drank anything! I read

> something while researching Cutler and this 'brain fog' thing... I

> have used this hangover word before! This is it! This is THAT

> feeling. These people sound like me talking about this insane

> exhaustion I get. I mix no louder than 55dbA. Most people listen

to

> TV louder than what I mix at. After 4 hours, I am spent. After 4

> hours mixing you loose mix accuracy, this is because of some in-ear

> limiting. This is where I think im getting mixed up advice. I do

not

> think this is *listening fatigue*. This feels like ice picks

> sometimes at the base of my inner ears... but I feel like its all in

> my head. My ears do not actually hurt. Things are just extremely

> irritating and go away as soon as my mind gets off of things. Also,

> my studio is professionally treated and has been tested many times.

> This is not coming from anything acoustically fatiguing me either.

I

> may be a musician, but this did not I know this happen during loud

> mixing. I never go to concerts or blast music ever.

>

> Somebody here has to know what I am talking about??? I am hoping

this

> OCD/brain-fog whatever gos away a few months down the road. Any

musicians?

>

>

> I just had my amalgams removed a week ago. DMSA is on the way...

and

> Im going to follow cutlers words exactly.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

too soon.

I noticed it was much worse with those little headphone plugs that go

in your ear and had less problems with big enclosed headphones.

Pain: I think you described it perfectly when you said " ice picks " –

that is exactly how it feels to me. Lots of little ice picks stabbing

inside the ear. and yes, made me feel tired, fatigued, drained.

Much to my dismay I can no longer DJ and no longer mix with

headphones due to my poor health;-( Listening to loud music from

speakers is no problem.

All this was prior to my mercury knowledge and I don't know how this

fits in with mercury poisoning. Is it something to do with EMF

sensitivity because the mercury has done so much damage? I have not

had an extended period with headphones on for 2 years now. I have

been amalgam free for 4 months now and have not retested it. If I do…

I will let u know. my brain fog is minimal now.

All Cutler's words have been true for me….don't deviate from the

protocol and start real low dose. Good luck with Chelation.

Sunshine

>

> I think there is a link here between these two.

>

> First off, I am a sound engineer who recently had his amalgams

> replaced. I developed Tinnitus from what I thought was simply from

> too long. Its not even bad and does not bother me. I thought this

> was from long mixing sessions under intense thinking. I want to

> mention that I believe when I have got advice on tinnitus in the

> past... it seems most people seem to think this guy got this from

> blasting music and going to concerts. Thats the thing... I did

not...

> I monitor low. Loud is bad, lessens your mixing time and and even

> accuracy sometimes. However I knew something else was going on.

>

>

> I have a hard time putting my work down... The sounds keep playing

> back in my head. I will push myself to where I have what feels

like a

> hangover the next day. Except I have not drank anything! I read

> something while researching Cutler and this 'brain fog' thing... I

> have used this hangover word before! This is it! This is THAT

> feeling. These people sound like me talking about this insane

> exhaustion I get. I mix no louder than 55dbA. Most people listen

to

> TV louder than what I mix at. After 4 hours, I am spent. After 4

> hours mixing you loose mix accuracy, this is because of some in-ear

> limiting. This is where I think im getting mixed up advice. I do

not

> think this is *listening fatigue*. This feels like ice picks

> sometimes at the base of my inner ears... but I feel like its all in

> my head. My ears do not actually hurt. Things are just extremely

> irritating and go away as soon as my mind gets off of things. Also,

> my studio is professionally treated and has been tested many times.

> This is not coming from anything acoustically fatiguing me either.

I

> may be a musician, but this did not I know this happen during loud

> mixing. I never go to concerts or blast music ever.

>

> Somebody here has to know what I am talking about??? I am hoping

this

> OCD/brain-fog whatever gos away a few months down the road. Any

musicians?

>

>

> I just had my amalgams removed a week ago. DMSA is on the way...

and

> Im going to follow cutlers words exactly.

>

[Guest guest]

>

I have had tinnitus myself for many, many months, in my left ear, that

has now increased to a very uncomfortable level and is a constant

'high c', night and day. With the result that I get up in the morning

with some song or other that takes off on that 'high c', going on

non-stop in my head to the point of annoyance, for I would rather

meditate in the morning for some peace of mind! It now seems to be

starting in my right ear too. I have not experienced true silence for

a long, long time.

I have been doing a form of yoga called 'Pranayama' - breathing

exercises to help with general health. I was recently told by a

Pranayama expert that for my tinnitus I should do the following :

Breathe in deeply and hold your breath. While the breath is held,

apply pressure on you ears with a finger from each hand, and then

release the pressure - do the press and release 8 - 10 times while the

breath is held. Exhale and repeat the entire exercise for 2-3 minutes.

There is yet another Pranayama exercise that is also supposed to help:

Take a deep breath. While you breath in close the ears with the

thumbs, then place each forefinger on the forehead ( above each

eyebrow), and the remaining three fingers should lightly close the

eyes, resting against the bridge of the nose. Then slowly hum 'OM'

while breathing gently out. This can be repeated for 10 minutes to

longer as is comfortable. There should be a resonance while you hum.

I know I read either a message or it was in Dr. Cutler's book that

mercury toxic people can experience sharp pain in the ears when

sleeping. I can attest to this for sure. I can remember as far back as

8-10 years ago that I would sometimes wake up with a very sharp pain

as if some inner bone or tendon or something had been pinched really

hard. This was always in the ear on which I happened to be sleeping

on. I would wake up due to the pain, rub the ear a bit and it took a

few minutes before it would subside. I had had amalgams placed about 5

years earlier when I noticed the symptom.

Hope this is of some help.

> Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

> how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

> phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

> mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

> Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

> pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

> too soon.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

I have had tinnitus myself for many, many months, in my left ear, that

has now increased to a very uncomfortable level and is a constant

'high c', night and day. With the result that I get up in the morning

with some song or other that takes off on that 'high c', going on

non-stop in my head to the point of annoyance, for I would rather

meditate in the morning for some peace of mind! It now seems to be

starting in my right ear too. I have not experienced true silence for

a long, long time.

I have been doing a form of yoga called 'Pranayama' - breathing

exercises to help with general health. I was recently told by a

Pranayama expert that for my tinnitus I should do the following :

Breathe in deeply and hold your breath. While the breath is held,

apply pressure on you ears with a finger from each hand, and then

release the pressure - do the press and release 8 - 10 times while the

breath is held. Exhale and repeat the entire exercise for 2-3 minutes.

There is yet another Pranayama exercise that is also supposed to help:

Take a deep breath. While you breath in close the ears with the

thumbs, then place each forefinger on the forehead ( above each

eyebrow), and the remaining three fingers should lightly close the

eyes, resting against the bridge of the nose. Then slowly hum 'OM'

while breathing gently out. This can be repeated for 10 minutes to

longer as is comfortable. There should be a resonance while you hum.

I know I read either a message or it was in Dr. Cutler's book that

mercury toxic people can experience sharp pain in the ears when

sleeping. I can attest to this for sure. I can remember as far back as

8-10 years ago that I would sometimes wake up with a very sharp pain

as if some inner bone or tendon or something had been pinched really

hard. This was always in the ear on which I happened to be sleeping

on. I would wake up due to the pain, rub the ear a bit and it took a

few minutes before it would subside. I had had amalgams placed about 5

years earlier when I noticed the symptom.

Hope this is of some help.

> Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

> how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

> phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

> mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

> Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

> pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

> too soon.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are correct...

After I have left my work alone it passes. My mind continues to run

rampant. I'll start watching TV or play a game. Then I'll bring the

meter in to check my levels in what I am doing. I'll often be close

or even louder than my mixing levels. And the irritation has subsided.

>

> Josh. Are you saying that you think you are experiencing a mental

> exhaustion, that has to do with the stress of working the part of your

> brain that deals with hearing? That it's not really a problem in

the ear?

>

> That certainly sounds plausible.

>

> Dave.

>

>

> Posted by: " Josh Hulgan " neautika@...

>

> dazflux http://profiles.yahoo.com/dazflux>

>

>

> Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:15 pm (PST)

>

> I think there is a link here between these two.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are correct...

After I have left my work alone it passes. My mind continues to run

rampant. I'll start watching TV or play a game. Then I'll bring the

meter in to check my levels in what I am doing. I'll often be close

or even louder than my mixing levels. And the irritation has subsided.

>

> Josh. Are you saying that you think you are experiencing a mental

> exhaustion, that has to do with the stress of working the part of your

> brain that deals with hearing? That it's not really a problem in

the ear?

>

> That certainly sounds plausible.

>

> Dave.

>

>

> Posted by: " Josh Hulgan " neautika@...

>

> dazflux http://profiles.yahoo.com/dazflux>

>

>

> Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:15 pm (PST)

>

> I think there is a link here between these two.

>

[Guest guest]

Those headphones can be pretty flat and harsh. Phill blames

headphone mixing for his deafness. Pressure levels are higher from

monitors and headphones. Niacin alleviates me, but its only

temporary. I would say an hour...

I keep hearing that this OCD like behavior will be the first thing to

go. I was kinda hoping the Tinnitus/fatigue would go with it. We

will have to stay in touch on this Lets have hope... From now on

when I see talk on ear fatigue I will see if these musicians have

amalgams.

About the meditation. I bought Sakyon Miphons book years ago...

partially because I was searching for answers. I was instantly hooked

to meditation. It works incredibly for calming my mind down. It is

effective more than half of the time. And many times it works so well

that it is almost narcotic how calm I become. However, since I came

across Cutlers therapy months ago I have pretty much let it go.

Because it looks as if the hell to come from chelating may interfere.

How has your meditation been while chelating? I really love

meditation, I remember when I tryed out the MSM. Meditation was near

impossible. I had been meditating daily for almost a year. Despite

all my learning and progress, my mind would not stop grabbing onto any

stimulating thought/idea. Sometimes after 45 minutes I could get it

to calm. I will try out your advice. I think my tinnitus is mild. It

only bothers me after intense thinking. I still think it was not from

loud music or improper monitoring. Yours may not be the case, but lets

not rule out mercury. Someone mentioned EMF and I believe this is

very possible. We would be closer to the field than most

people(headpones/monitoring). Do car stereos bother you? Thats a lot

of pressure coming from transit and passing trucks. I have carried a

meter with me before and in my Altima. dbA was 60-85...lets not talk

about dbC Thats a lot of pressure... yet no irritation.

> >

> I have had tinnitus myself for many, many months, in my left ear, that

> has now increased to a very uncomfortable level and is a constant

> 'high c', night and day. With the result that I get up in the morning

> with some song or other that takes off on that 'high c', going on

> non-stop in my head to the point of annoyance, for I would rather

> meditate in the morning for some peace of mind! It now seems to be

> starting in my right ear too. I have not experienced true silence for

> a long, long time.

>

> I have been doing a form of yoga called 'Pranayama' - breathing

> exercises to help with general health. I was recently told by a

> Pranayama expert that for my tinnitus I should do the following :

>

> Breathe in deeply and hold your breath. While the breath is held,

> apply pressure on you ears with a finger from each hand, and then

> release the pressure - do the press and release 8 - 10 times while the

> breath is held. Exhale and repeat the entire exercise for 2-3 minutes.

>

> There is yet another Pranayama exercise that is also supposed to help:

> Take a deep breath. While you breath in close the ears with the

> thumbs, then place each forefinger on the forehead ( above each

> eyebrow), and the remaining three fingers should lightly close the

> eyes, resting against the bridge of the nose. Then slowly hum 'OM'

> while breathing gently out. This can be repeated for 10 minutes to

> longer as is comfortable. There should be a resonance while you hum.

>

> I know I read either a message or it was in Dr. Cutler's book that

> mercury toxic people can experience sharp pain in the ears when

> sleeping. I can attest to this for sure. I can remember as far back as

> 8-10 years ago that I would sometimes wake up with a very sharp pain

> as if some inner bone or tendon or something had been pinched really

> hard. This was always in the ear on which I happened to be sleeping

> on. I would wake up due to the pain, rub the ear a bit and it took a

> few minutes before it would subside. I had had amalgams placed about 5

> years earlier when I noticed the symptom.

>

> Hope this is of some help.

>

> > Interesting words, I don't think I can help you much except tell you

> > how it is for me. I used to DJ and constantly mixed music with head

> > phones on. Then my ears started hurting after extended periods of

> > mixing. After 1 hour the pain was too much and I was forced to stop.

> > Louder made it worse, but low volume still made my ears hurt too. The

> > pain went away within 30 mins, but came back quickly if I restarted

> > too soon.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is interesting Niacin helps tinnitus. Too bad only for an hour.

The flushing effect of niacin must have something to do with it,

indicating some sort of circulatory disturbance maybe? Blood vessels

to thin? Blood supply not adequate? In any case, the response to

niacin might be a good clue to the possibility of gingko biloba

being of help, since it increases blood flow and dilates vessels.

Though tinnitus is thought to be an ear disorder, and sometimes it

is, I have come to see it as a brain disorder that manifests itself

through nerves attached to the ears. Xanax or any benzo can quiet my

tinnitus significantly. The simple GABA supplement does the same

thing. Too much brain activity going on? Don't know. A month ago I

tried the norepinephrine-serotonin reuptake inhibitor from overseas

called Ixel, or Milnacipran. Tinnitus increased for the first few

days, but then got significantly quieter. Sounds that would normally

flare up the tinnitus failed to do so anymore. Now, Ixel doesn't

work on the ears. It works on norepinephrine. I just wanted to say

that when folks focus on noise and ears for tinnitus they could

possibly be missing the idea that the tinnitus is from somewhere

else. I suspect mercury and all kinds of toxins can wreak havoc on

brain receptors causing tinnitus.

Loud noise causes tinnitus, which is what most people associate

tinnitus with. I just think that is one of several things going on.

Some antidepressants have been shown to have potential in lowering

tinnitus levels. The old TCAs in particular. Lots of side effects

though for the quiet. No guarantee it works for everyone either. One

of the worst for creating or worsening tinnitus, again pointing to a

brain thing rather than an ear thing, is the antidepressant smoking

cessation drug Wellbutrin (bupropion). Sadly, I know many folks who

never had tinnitus until they tried wellbutrin, at which time they

complained of a whistling in their ears, and even more sad, it never

went away after stopping the drug. Another possible indication to

toxicity of some kind causing tinnitus, or deranged brain receptors

by outside manipulation (drugs, mercury, toxins).

Anyway, I know this isn't much help but just wanted to throw some

stuff out there to ponder. Again, since Niacin works, gingko biloba

might be worth a look.

[Guest guest]

That is interesting Niacin helps tinnitus. Too bad only for an hour.

The flushing effect of niacin must have something to do with it,

indicating some sort of circulatory disturbance maybe? Blood vessels

to thin? Blood supply not adequate? In any case, the response to

niacin might be a good clue to the possibility of gingko biloba

being of help, since it increases blood flow and dilates vessels.

Though tinnitus is thought to be an ear disorder, and sometimes it

is, I have come to see it as a brain disorder that manifests itself

through nerves attached to the ears. Xanax or any benzo can quiet my

tinnitus significantly. The simple GABA supplement does the same

thing. Too much brain activity going on? Don't know. A month ago I

tried the norepinephrine-serotonin reuptake inhibitor from overseas

called Ixel, or Milnacipran. Tinnitus increased for the first few

days, but then got significantly quieter. Sounds that would normally

flare up the tinnitus failed to do so anymore. Now, Ixel doesn't

work on the ears. It works on norepinephrine. I just wanted to say

that when folks focus on noise and ears for tinnitus they could

possibly be missing the idea that the tinnitus is from somewhere

else. I suspect mercury and all kinds of toxins can wreak havoc on

brain receptors causing tinnitus.

Loud noise causes tinnitus, which is what most people associate

tinnitus with. I just think that is one of several things going on.

Some antidepressants have been shown to have potential in lowering

tinnitus levels. The old TCAs in particular. Lots of side effects

though for the quiet. No guarantee it works for everyone either. One

of the worst for creating or worsening tinnitus, again pointing to a

brain thing rather than an ear thing, is the antidepressant smoking

cessation drug Wellbutrin (bupropion). Sadly, I know many folks who

never had tinnitus until they tried wellbutrin, at which time they

complained of a whistling in their ears, and even more sad, it never

went away after stopping the drug. Another possible indication to

toxicity of some kind causing tinnitus, or deranged brain receptors

by outside manipulation (drugs, mercury, toxins).

Anyway, I know this isn't much help but just wanted to throw some

stuff out there to ponder. Again, since Niacin works, gingko biloba

might be worth a look.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I will give it a try

>

> That is interesting Niacin helps tinnitus. Too bad only for an hour.

> The flushing effect of niacin must have something to do with it,

> indicating some sort of circulatory disturbance maybe? Blood vessels

> to thin? Blood supply not adequate? In any case, the response to

> niacin might be a good clue to the possibility of gingko biloba

> being of help, since it increases blood flow and dilates vessels.

>

> Though tinnitus is thought to be an ear disorder, and sometimes it

> is, I have come to see it as a brain disorder that manifests itself

> through nerves attached to the ears. Xanax or any benzo can quiet my

> tinnitus significantly. The simple GABA supplement does the same

> thing. Too much brain activity going on? Don't know. A month ago I

> tried the norepinephrine-serotonin reuptake inhibitor from overseas

> called Ixel, or Milnacipran. Tinnitus increased for the first few

> days, but then got significantly quieter. Sounds that would normally

> flare up the tinnitus failed to do so anymore. Now, Ixel doesn't

> work on the ears. It works on norepinephrine. I just wanted to say

> that when folks focus on noise and ears for tinnitus they could

> possibly be missing the idea that the tinnitus is from somewhere

> else. I suspect mercury and all kinds of toxins can wreak havoc on

> brain receptors causing tinnitus.

>

> Loud noise causes tinnitus, which is what most people associate

> tinnitus with. I just think that is one of several things going on.

>

> Some antidepressants have been shown to have potential in lowering

> tinnitus levels. The old TCAs in particular. Lots of side effects

> though for the quiet. No guarantee it works for everyone either. One

> of the worst for creating or worsening tinnitus, again pointing to a

> brain thing rather than an ear thing, is the antidepressant smoking

> cessation drug Wellbutrin (bupropion). Sadly, I know many folks who

> never had tinnitus until they tried wellbutrin, at which time they

> complained of a whistling in their ears, and even more sad, it never

> went away after stopping the drug. Another possible indication to

> toxicity of some kind causing tinnitus, or deranged brain receptors

> by outside manipulation (drugs, mercury, toxins).

>

> Anyway, I know this isn't much help but just wanted to throw some

> stuff out there to ponder. Again, since Niacin works, gingko biloba

> might be worth a look.

>