Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 ---Hi I have spent two years trying to make some sense out of my Thyroid and adrenal problems. I never had any luck with Armour or T4 or Armour plus T3 in any combination or dose so recently I have been experimenting with just T3. It has been the first thing in two years to have any positive effect on me! My brain was the first thing to feel more alert. I joined the Yahoo group for T3 RT3 problems and learnt a little there. I am now taking pure T3 but still having to muck around with doses of both that and my adrenal support but it is definitely better. My temps have risen to normal for the first time too. The trouble with the 's syndrome thing is that many people do not do well on his protocol. Many also do not do well with slow release T3 for various reasons. I think that Dr is definitely on to something but there are other reasons that people can need pure T3 only and I think that some people shouldn't be looking for a " cure " from the T3 regime, but rather control of their hypothyroidism. Mercury and other heavy metal poisoning problems are often listed as a reason for problems with T3 uptake and cell resistance etc so it's no surprise that many of us here are having problems like this. As with all things Thyroid and adrenal, there are no easy answers and when one type of med or route of treatment doesn't work there are many others to experiment with. And as for us Mercurial folk, it's always gonna be more complicated and may not work perfectly until we have finished chelation. In frequent-dose-chelation , " richard_furr2000 " wrote: > > Hello, > > I just came across some info on 's Syndrome and was wondering > what everyone's thoughts are on it and it's protocol, compared to > using Armour Thyroid, and how it relates to mercury poisoning. > > I have tons of hypo symptoms and low average body temp. I recently > started Armour as per Stop Thyroid Madness site. It has helped a > little but not really much. > > I found out about 's Syndrome and it's treatment using time > release T3. It makes more sense and sounds more promising. I only > saw either mentioned slightly in Andy's book. What is the consensus? > > Can you still have mercury poisoning and 's syndrome? Can > 's syndrome be caused by mercury poisoning? Can you get better > in the mean time treating 's syndrome, while continuing to chelate? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 My doc told me to just stop & that I didn't have to wean off of it - however, I was only on Armour for about 2 weeks at that time. I had no side effects, which is strange for me because I have trouble with most medications. > > > > Hi - > > I was struggling with hypo symptoms too & tried to persuade my doc to > > let me try Armour as per Thyroid Madness website. She finally > > consented & I tried it for about 2 weeks. I actually felt worse, so I > > discontinued (had terrible headaches) I then read about 's & > > wanted to try that approach. My temps are generally in the 96 range. > > I started ST3 and have been on it for about a month now and am doing > > much better on it. My temps are still quite low & only increasing > > slightly, but my doc is hesitant to raise the dosage yet as I am also > > starting hormone treatment as well. I am not quite doing 's > > protocol, but I do think it is at least promising for me. By the way, > > my TSH, T3 & T4 are apparently within the " normal " range - > > fortunately my doc understands 's Temp Syndrome & is > > supportive. Good luck! > > Joy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before. I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some reason, not helping me the way I need it to. I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting. Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it again? *sigh* : Donna Posted by: " DeanNetwork " dean@... deansta22 Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:36 am (PDT) >Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should >wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS >protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be? >Thanks, > Hi , Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have problems then 1/4 grain per week. Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to convert T4 into RT3. When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the T4 in Armour. I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees on just 7.5mcg twice a day. As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before. I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some reason, not helping me the way I need it to. I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting. Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it again? *sigh* : Donna Posted by: " DeanNetwork " dean@... deansta22 Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:36 am (PDT) >Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should >wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS >protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be? >Thanks, > Hi , Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have problems then 1/4 grain per week. Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to convert T4 into RT3. When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the T4 in Armour. I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees on just 7.5mcg twice a day. As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Next time you have blood tests make sure that free T3 and free T4 are tested. Insist on getting a copy of the results and post to the group. Your numbers should be in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the normal range in order to be optimal. Do you have the following symptoms, which ones - low BP, dizziness on first standing, aches and pains, frequent infections and difficulty recovering from infections, poor response and crashing with stress (anyone remember the others?). If so, your adrenals are in rough shape and need treatment. If you could obtain the book " From Fatigued to Fantastic " by Teitelbaum (usually available in libraries), the adrenal and thyroid sections are fairly short and concise and could be xeroxed and highlighted and taken to the doctor who treats your thyroid to ask why you haven't had your adrenals treated. The thyroid/adrenal sections of AI are good too. You may want to ask Andy if there is a doctor/practitioner in your area who is up on thyroid/adrenal treatments and who could help you with this. Or, post your approximate location to the group and maybe someone here has a doctor helping them that they could recommend. J > > I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before. > > I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some reason, not helping me the way I need it to. > > I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting. > > Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it again? *sigh* > : Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Next time you have blood tests make sure that free T3 and free T4 are tested. Insist on getting a copy of the results and post to the group. Your numbers should be in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the normal range in order to be optimal. Do you have the following symptoms, which ones - low BP, dizziness on first standing, aches and pains, frequent infections and difficulty recovering from infections, poor response and crashing with stress (anyone remember the others?). If so, your adrenals are in rough shape and need treatment. If you could obtain the book " From Fatigued to Fantastic " by Teitelbaum (usually available in libraries), the adrenal and thyroid sections are fairly short and concise and could be xeroxed and highlighted and taken to the doctor who treats your thyroid to ask why you haven't had your adrenals treated. The thyroid/adrenal sections of AI are good too. You may want to ask Andy if there is a doctor/practitioner in your area who is up on thyroid/adrenal treatments and who could help you with this. Or, post your approximate location to the group and maybe someone here has a doctor helping them that they could recommend. J > > I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before. > > I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some reason, not helping me the way I need it to. > > I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting. > > Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it again? *sigh* > : Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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