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---Hi

I have spent two years trying to make some sense out of my Thyroid and

adrenal problems. I never had any luck with Armour or T4 or Armour

plus T3 in any combination or dose so recently I have been

experimenting with just T3.

It has been the first thing in two years to have any positive effect

on me! My brain was the first thing to feel more alert. I joined the

Yahoo group for T3 RT3 problems and learnt a little there. I am now

taking pure T3 but still having to muck around with doses of both that

and my adrenal support but it is definitely better. My temps have

risen to normal for the first time too.

The trouble with the 's syndrome thing is that many people do

not do well on his protocol. Many also do not do well with slow

release T3 for various reasons.

I think that Dr is definitely on to something but there are

other reasons that people can need pure T3 only and I think that some

people shouldn't be looking for a " cure " from the T3 regime, but

rather control of their hypothyroidism.

Mercury and other heavy metal poisoning problems are often listed as a

reason for problems with T3 uptake and cell resistance etc so it's no

surprise that many of us here are having problems like this.

As with all things Thyroid and adrenal, there are no easy answers and

when one type of med or route of treatment doesn't work there are many

others to experiment with.

And as for us Mercurial folk, it's always gonna be more complicated

and may not work perfectly until we have finished chelation.

In frequent-dose-chelation , " richard_furr2000 "

wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I just came across some info on 's Syndrome and was wondering

> what everyone's thoughts are on it and it's protocol, compared to

> using Armour Thyroid, and how it relates to mercury poisoning.

>

> I have tons of hypo symptoms and low average body temp. I recently

> started Armour as per Stop Thyroid Madness site. It has helped a

> little but not really much.

>

> I found out about 's Syndrome and it's treatment using time

> release T3. It makes more sense and sounds more promising. I only

> saw either mentioned slightly in Andy's book. What is the consensus?

>

> Can you still have mercury poisoning and 's syndrome? Can

> 's syndrome be caused by mercury poisoning? Can you get better

> in the mean time treating 's syndrome, while continuing to

chelate?

>

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My doc told me to just stop & that I didn't have to wean off of it -

however, I was only on Armour for about 2 weeks at that time. I had

no side effects, which is strange for me because I have trouble with

most medications.

> >

> > Hi -

> > I was struggling with hypo symptoms too & tried to persuade my

doc to

> > let me try Armour as per Thyroid Madness website. She finally

> > consented & I tried it for about 2 weeks. I actually felt worse,

so I

> > discontinued (had terrible headaches) I then read about 's &

> > wanted to try that approach. My temps are generally in the 96

range.

> > I started ST3 and have been on it for about a month now and am

doing

> > much better on it. My temps are still quite low & only increasing

> > slightly, but my doc is hesitant to raise the dosage yet as I am

also

> > starting hormone treatment as well. I am not quite doing 's

> > protocol, but I do think it is at least promising for me. By the

way,

> > my TSH, T3 & T4 are apparently within the " normal " range -

> > fortunately my doc understands 's Temp Syndrome & is

> > supportive. Good luck!

> > Joy

> >

> >

>

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I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's

making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with

T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before.

I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10?

not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially

except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned

to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead

of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all

your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some

reason, not helping me the way I need it to.

I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to

comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the

" AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed

again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva

testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed

enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm

finding it upsetting.

Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking

that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it

again? *sigh*

: Donna

Posted by: " DeanNetwork " dean@... deansta22 Wed Apr 9,

2008 10:36 am (PDT)

>Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should

>wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS

>protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be?

>Thanks,

>

Hi ,

Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have

problems then 1/4 grain per week.

Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole

point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to

convert T4 into RT3.

When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel

worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the

T4 in Armour.

I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle

on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees

on just 7.5mcg twice a day.

As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures

plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid.

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I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya ----- it's

making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all technical stuff with

T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning that I never heard of before.

I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this point (maybe 10?

not sure). I never remember noticing that anything changed for me initially

except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was just the way my neck was) returned

to its normal size. Recently, when I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead

of the 60 mg., I learned how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all

your posts are making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some

reason, not helping me the way I need it to.

I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy brain to

comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to get through all the

" AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm feeling truly overwhelmed

again, since I didn't do the blood test for thyroid when I did the saliva

testing, and whatever blood tests my doc has me doing may not be detailed

enough. I have no way of feeling confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm

finding it upsetting.

Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should be taking

that's more simplified than having to read another entire complicated book on it

again? *sigh*

: Donna

Posted by: " DeanNetwork " dean@... deansta22 Wed Apr 9,

2008 10:36 am (PDT)

>Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should

>wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS

>protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be?

>Thanks,

>

Hi ,

Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have

problems then 1/4 grain per week.

Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole

point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to

convert T4 into RT3.

When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel

worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the

T4 in Armour.

I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle

on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees

on just 7.5mcg twice a day.

As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures

plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid.

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Next time you have blood tests make sure that free T3 and free T4 are

tested. Insist on getting a copy of the results and post to the

group. Your numbers should be in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the normal

range in order to be optimal.

Do you have the following symptoms, which ones - low BP, dizziness on

first standing, aches and pains, frequent infections and difficulty

recovering from infections, poor response and crashing with stress

(anyone remember the others?). If so, your adrenals are in rough

shape and need treatment. If you could obtain the book " From Fatigued

to Fantastic " by Teitelbaum (usually available in libraries),

the adrenal and thyroid sections are fairly short and concise and

could be xeroxed and highlighted and taken to the doctor who treats

your thyroid to ask why you haven't had your adrenals treated.

The thyroid/adrenal sections of AI are good too.

You may want to ask Andy if there is a doctor/practitioner in your

area who is up on thyroid/adrenal treatments and who could help you

with this. Or, post your approximate location to the group and maybe

someone here has a doctor helping them that they could recommend.

J

>

> I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya

----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all

technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning

that I never heard of before.

>

> I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this

point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything

changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was

just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when

I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned

how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are

making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some

reason, not helping me the way I need it to.

>

> I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy

brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to

get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm

feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for

thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc

has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling

confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting.

>

> Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should

be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire

complicated book on it again? *sigh*

> : Donna

>

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Next time you have blood tests make sure that free T3 and free T4 are

tested. Insist on getting a copy of the results and post to the

group. Your numbers should be in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the normal

range in order to be optimal.

Do you have the following symptoms, which ones - low BP, dizziness on

first standing, aches and pains, frequent infections and difficulty

recovering from infections, poor response and crashing with stress

(anyone remember the others?). If so, your adrenals are in rough

shape and need treatment. If you could obtain the book " From Fatigued

to Fantastic " by Teitelbaum (usually available in libraries),

the adrenal and thyroid sections are fairly short and concise and

could be xeroxed and highlighted and taken to the doctor who treats

your thyroid to ask why you haven't had your adrenals treated.

The thyroid/adrenal sections of AI are good too.

You may want to ask Andy if there is a doctor/practitioner in your

area who is up on thyroid/adrenal treatments and who could help you

with this. Or, post your approximate location to the group and maybe

someone here has a doctor helping them that they could recommend.

J

>

> I've been following this " thyroid " thread, and I have to tell ya

----- it's making me nervous. I've never been able to understand all

technical stuff with T3, T4, etc. and stuff you guys are mentioning

that I never heard of before.

>

> I've been taking Armour Thyroid for quite a few years at this

point (maybe 10? not sure). I never remember noticing that anything

changed for me initially except my enlarged thyroid (I thought it was

just the way my neck was) returned to its normal size. Recently, when

I was mistakenly given 90 mg. tabs instead of the 60 mg., I learned

how dramatically worse the wrong dose can be. What all your posts are

making me wonder is whether or not the Armour is also, for some

reason, not helping me the way I need it to.

>

> I honestly don't know if I can try to force my overloaded, foggy

brain to comprehend the thyroid stuff too, when I'm still trying to

get through all the " AI " stuff and the " Adrenal Fatigue " stuff. I'm

feeling truly overwhelmed again, since I didn't do the blood test for

thyroid when I did the saliva testing, and whatever blood tests my doc

has me doing may not be detailed enough. I have no way of feeling

confident about my thyroid meds now and I'm finding it upsetting.

>

> Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should

be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire

complicated book on it again? *sigh*

> : Donna

>

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