Re: 's syndrome and mercury poisoning

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I was struggling with hypo symptoms too & tried to persuade my doc to

let me try Armour as per Thyroid Madness website. She finally

consented & I tried it for about 2 weeks. I actually felt worse, so I

discontinued (had terrible headaches) I then read about 's &

wanted to try that approach. My temps are generally in the 96 range.

I started ST3 and have been on it for about a month now and am doing

much better on it. My temps are still quite low & only increasing

slightly, but my doc is hesitant to raise the dosage yet as I am also

starting hormone treatment as well. I am not quite doing 's

protocol, but I do think it is at least promising for me. By the way,

my TSH, T3 & T4 are apparently within the " normal " range -

fortunately my doc understands 's Temp Syndrome & is

supportive. Good luck!

Joy

>

> Hello,

>

> I just came across some info on 's Syndrome and was wondering

> what everyone's thoughts are on it and it's protocol, compared to

> using Armour Thyroid, and how it relates to mercury poisoning.

>

> I have tons of hypo symptoms and low average body temp. I recently

> started Armour as per Stop Thyroid Madness site. It has helped a

> little but not really much.

>

> I found out about 's Syndrome and it's treatment using time

> release T3. It makes more sense and sounds more promising. I only

> saw either mentioned slightly in Andy's book. What is the

consensus?

>

> Can you still have mercury poisoning and 's syndrome? Can

> 's syndrome be caused by mercury poisoning? Can you get

better

> in the mean time treating 's syndrome, while continuing to

chelate?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should

wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS

protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be?

Thanks,

>

> Hi -

> I was struggling with hypo symptoms too & tried to persuade my doc to

> let me try Armour as per Thyroid Madness website. She finally

> consented & I tried it for about 2 weeks. I actually felt worse, so I

> discontinued (had terrible headaches) I then read about 's &

> wanted to try that approach. My temps are generally in the 96 range.

> I started ST3 and have been on it for about a month now and am doing

> much better on it. My temps are still quite low & only increasing

> slightly, but my doc is hesitant to raise the dosage yet as I am also

> starting hormone treatment as well. I am not quite doing 's

> protocol, but I do think it is at least promising for me. By the way,

> my TSH, T3 & T4 are apparently within the " normal " range -

> fortunately my doc understands 's Temp Syndrome & is

> supportive. Good luck!

> Joy

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Hi

I have spent two years trying to make some sense out of my Thyroid and

adrenal problems. I never had any luck with Armour or T4 or Armour

plus T3 in any combination or dose so recently I have been

experimenting with just T3.

It has been the first thing in two years to have any positive effect

on me! My brain was the first thing to feel more alert. I joined the

Yahoo group for T3 RT3 problems and learnt a little there. I am now

taking pure T3 but still having to muck around with doses of both that

and my adrenal support but it is definitely better. My temps have

risen to normal for the first time too.

The trouble with the 's syndrome thing is that many people do

not do well on his protocol. Many also do not do well with slow

release T3 for various reasons.

I think that Dr is definitely on to something but there are

other reasons that people can need pure T3 only and I think that some

people shouldn't be looking for a " cure " from the T3 regime, but

rather control of their hypothyroidism.

Mercury and other heavy metal poisoning problems are often listed as a

reason for problems with T3 uptake and cell resistance etc so it's no

surprise that many of us here are having problems like this.

As with all things Thyroid and adrenal, there are no easy answers and

when one type of med or route of treatment doesn't work there are many

others to experiment with.

And as for us Mercurial folk, it's always gonna be more complicated

and may not work perfectly until we have finished chelation.

In frequent-dose-chelation , " richard_furr2000 "

wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I just came across some info on 's Syndrome and was wondering

> what everyone's thoughts are on it and it's protocol, compared to

> using Armour Thyroid, and how it relates to mercury poisoning.

>

> I have tons of hypo symptoms and low average body temp. I recently

> started Armour as per Stop Thyroid Madness site. It has helped a

> little but not really much.

>

> I found out about 's Syndrome and it's treatment using time

> release T3. It makes more sense and sounds more promising. I only

> saw either mentioned slightly in Andy's book. What is the consensus?

>

> Can you still have mercury poisoning and 's syndrome? Can

> 's syndrome be caused by mercury poisoning? Can you get better

> in the mean time treating 's syndrome, while continuing to

chelate?

>

[Guest guest]

>Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should

>wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS

>protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be?

>Thanks,

>

Hi ,

Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have

problems then 1/4 grain per week.

Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole

point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to

convert T4 into RT3.

When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel

worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the

T4 in Armour.

I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle

on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees

on just 7.5mcg twice a day.

As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures

plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid.

DeanSA

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[Guest guest]

>Thanks for your reply Joy. Do you or anyone else know how I should

>wean off armour and if I have to go off it before starting WTS

>protocol with t3? How bad will the effects be?

>Thanks,

>

Hi ,

Weaning by half a grain per week should be more than adequate. If you have

problems then 1/4 grain per week.

Yes, you HAVE to stop the armour first because it has T4 in it and the whole

point of 's is to stop T4 supply since there is a preponderance to

convert T4 into RT3.

When I weaned from Armour I had no problems, in fact Armour made me feel

worse despite being hypothyroid. I believe I was made worse because of the

T4 in Armour.

I got my temps up from 36.1 to 36.8 degrees Centigrade on the first cycle

on 90mcg twice a day. Then the second cycle took them to normal 37 degrees

on just 7.5mcg twice a day.

As soon as I started ALA again after a long break though, my temperatures

plummeted. Shows my how moving mercury hurts my thyroid.

DeanSA

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07:10 AM

[Guest guest]

My doc told me to just stop & that I didn't have to wean off of it -

however, I was only on Armour for about 2 weeks at that time. I had

no side effects, which is strange for me because I have trouble with

most medications.

> >

> > Hi -

> > I was struggling with hypo symptoms too & tried to persuade my

doc to

> > let me try Armour as per Thyroid Madness website. She finally

> > consented & I tried it for about 2 weeks. I actually felt worse,

so I

> > discontinued (had terrible headaches) I then read about 's &

> > wanted to try that approach. My temps are generally in the 96

range.

> > I started ST3 and have been on it for about a month now and am

doing

> > much better on it. My temps are still quite low & only increasing

> > slightly, but my doc is hesitant to raise the dosage yet as I am

also

> > starting hormone treatment as well. I am not quite doing 's

> > protocol, but I do think it is at least promising for me. By the

way,

> > my TSH, T3 & T4 are apparently within the " normal " range -

> > fortunately my doc understands 's Temp Syndrome & is

> > supportive. Good luck!

> > Joy

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>> Is there any way to feel confident about what I'm taking or should

> be taking that's more simplified than having to read another entire

> complicated book on it again? *sigh*

>> : Donna

Hi Donna,

I would say that checking your temperatures is the one fool proof way to

tell if you thyroid meds are working.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/body_temperature.html.

If your temps are low there is a problem in your metabolic system.

That is why I like Dr 's work. He says that you can have normal blood

readings and low temperatures and then your thyroid system is still in

trouble.

The trick with thyroid is to realise that there are several different ways

to approach it and you need to find what works for you.

Some people raise their temps and do great on Armour, others need Sustained

release T3, others need a bit of both etc.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/thyroid_problems.html

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

I don't want to comment on 's syndrome, because I haven't read

much about it. I use a daily constant dose of SR T3 plus T4

separately, and am very happy with how that works for me.

I think that some people may be able to stop Armour abruptly,

especially if they were only using it for short periods of time. This

is something to discuss with a doctor BEFORE trying it. Personally, I

found that MINOR changes of dose of thyroid meds led to MAJOR brain

problems for me, so I would encourage caution with any dose changes.

J

>

> Hello,

>

> I just came across some info on 's Syndrome and was wondering

> what everyone's thoughts are on it and it's protocol, compared to

> using Armour Thyroid, and how it relates to mercury poisoning.

>

> I have tons of hypo symptoms and low average body temp. I recently

> started Armour as per Stop Thyroid Madness site. It has helped a

> little but not really much.

>

> I found out about 's Syndrome and it's treatment using time

> release T3. It makes more sense and sounds more promising. I only

> saw either mentioned slightly in Andy's book. What is the consensus?

>

> Can you still have mercury poisoning and 's syndrome? Can

> 's syndrome be caused by mercury poisoning? Can you get better

> in the mean time treating 's syndrome, while continuing to

chelate?

>

[Guest guest]

and Dean,

Thank you for such great responses! I really appreciate it.

I did read the " Adrenal Fatigue " book by Dr. , but not the one you

mentioned, (I don't think I could stand reading one more health book at

this point *sigh*, but I'll do as you suggested to copy the adrenal/thryoid

pages). I'm still waiting for my saliva test results to see what's going on

with my adrenals, but the specific symptoms you listed (low BP, dizziness on

first standing, aches and pains, frequent infections and difficulty recovering

from infections, poor response and crashing with stress) all belong to me, so

perhaps it's my adrenals, not my thyroid, that's the problem.

Maybe what I'll do is relax about the thyroid stuff until I get the results,

post them here, and depending on what's determined, will know where to start

with ACE first and see how that goes? I do know that years ago, I saw Dr.

Neubrander and he understood thyroid. He was the one who prescribed just the

Armour Thyroid at that time, and I think he gave me Cortef for a little while

too, though I don't remember an explanation for the Cortef and, for some reason,

stopped taking it years ago. It's not clear in my brain.

I printed out the temperature page you gave me, Dean, and when I wake up at 9

AM I'll do it Thanks, you guys!

: Donna