TMG, sulfur foods, SCD, & food allergies?? -- & all

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali,

Thank you for bringing this possible connection to my attention. I

hope someone does know the answer to this too. I've been using TMG

for about 3 months now.

I've suddenly realized that eggs are a big problem for me. They

weren't before as far as I could tell. I have been eating them

practically daily for a few years now since I have yeast. I know

eggs are a high sulfur food. So now I wonder if I have a problem

with sulfur or have developed a food allergy to them.

I'm kinda devastated & very confused about it as I was going to go on

SCD and thought I had no problems with sulfur foods. I have a lot of

digestive problems as well. I don't know how plausible SCD and the

yoghurt would be for me without sulfurs. I feel that fixing my gut

is integral to healing as I'm sure I suffer from malnourishment.

Is SCD yoghurt considered high sulfur?

, I'd love your take on this as I know you are doing SCD.

The eggs make me feel bad within about 1 hour of eating and lasts the

rest of the day badly from what I can tell. I think cheese is doing

this also, to a lesser degree. The eggs make my head pain worse,

make me very foggy (unable to think straight) and make me feel a

general malaise (I just feel terrible all over). It lasts at least

the rest of the day. I generally always feel like this – it is much

worse right after eggs though. Does anyone know if this sounds like

a food allergy or sulfur?

I haven't done a sulfur exclusion trial yet. I am now planning to.

It does seem a little confusing though as I've found different

directions in different places in the group. A document in the files

says 4 day exclusion, http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status says 7

days and that you may not be able to even tell right away. I really

feel overwhelmed and confused.

So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up my

cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant. I'd gladly stop

taking it to tolerate eggs again.

Anyone who wants to chime in is welcome!

Thanks all,

Sam

>

> From a few posts I have read about TMG, I

> see that it helps in detoxification. If I am

> correct Mr Cutler recommends its use.

>

> However I read on another site that using TMG

> in autistic children increased cysteine levels.

> Doesn't this cause redistribution?

>

> Hope somebody can help.

>

> Greetings,

>

> Ali

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > From a few posts I have read about TMG, I

> > see that it helps in detoxification. If I am

> > correct Mr Cutler recommends its use.

> >

TMG is a source of methyl groups and glycine.

> > However I read on another site that using TMG

> > in autistic children increased cysteine levels.

> > Doesn't this cause redistribution?

> >

TMG would not cause redistribution.

I doubt if it would increase cysteine levels.

When quoting please include the source, the author, and exactly what

was said, thanks.

J

> > Hope somebody can help.

> >

> > Greetings,

> >

> > Ali

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you search autism mercury archives you will find a post from Andy

where he points out problems with ' study, and that there are

many other problems that he didn't list. That means not much can be

concluded from her study, if anything.

I wouldn't be concerned that TMG pushed up your cysteine levels. Andy

has estimated about 50 % of toxic people are sulfur food intolerant.

If thinks cysteine is protective of mercury toxicity she is

incorrect. I saw how hopeless I was when I ate sulfur foods when I

was sulfur food intolerant (I became tolerant of sulfur foods with

time after amalgam removal).

J

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137863.html

(check the other messages in the same thread to get the context)

>

>

> > > So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up my

> > > cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant.

> >

> >

> >

> > I really have no clue where someone got that idea? TMG is

> > trimethylglycine. It is a source of methyl groups and of glycine.

>

> Hi found this:

>

> ''For more detail about Dr. Dr. Jill 's study, she found the

> protective effect of cystine and glutathione against

> Thimerosal-induced neurotoxicity. Her study included 20 autistic

> children who received TMG 1000 micrograms plus Folinic Acid 800

> micrograms twice daily for three weeks. There was a significant

> increase in plasma methionine, cystine and glutathione levels in these

> children. Many normalized through methylation and precursors to

> sulfate detox pathways. According to Dr. , 75% showed a slow and

> consistent improvement in autistic symptoms; however, side effects

> were fairly frequent with the most common being hyperactivity,

> insomnia and loose stools. In Dr. 's study the addition of Methyl

> B-12 64.5 micrograms three times weekly improved the 75% rate with TMG

> and Folinic Acid up to 90%. Dr. confirmed that methionine

> synthatase is the key enzyme that takes the biggest hit with Mercury

> heavy metal toxicity''.

>

> Dr. seems to think cysteine is protective against

> mercury toxicity, which is incorrect I think.

>

> For exact information check this link:

>

> http://www.drneubrander.com/Files/Oxidative%20Stress.pdf

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Greetings Ali

>

[Guest guest]

> ''For more detail about Dr. Dr. Jill 's study, she found the

> protective effect of cystine and glutathione against

> Thimerosal-induced neurotoxicity......... There was a significant

> increase in plasma methionine, cystine and glutathione levels in these

> children. "

She seems to be talking about cystine and not cysteine.

These are different if I'm not mistaken and the reason why an amino acid

test somewhere is not valuable for us.

I'm far from chemically minded, so perhaps can clear this up too :-)

Dean

[Guest guest]

> ''For more detail about Dr. Dr. Jill 's study, she found the

> protective effect of cystine and glutathione against

> Thimerosal-induced neurotoxicity......... There was a significant

> increase in plasma methionine, cystine and glutathione levels in these

> children. "

She seems to be talking about cystine and not cysteine.

These are different if I'm not mistaken and the reason why an amino acid

test somewhere is not valuable for us.

I'm far from chemically minded, so perhaps can clear this up too :-)

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

> > > I've suddenly realized that eggs are a big problem for me. They

> > > weren't before as far as I could tell. I have been eating them

> > > practically daily for a few years now since I have yeast. I know

> > > eggs are a high sulfur food. So now I wonder if I have a problem

> > > with sulfur or have developed a food allergy to them.

> > >

So far, you know that you have a problem with eggs. It could be an

IgG food allergy (you can test with a food panel from US Biotek) or it

could be a sulfur food problem.

From what you have said so far it isn't clear that you are sulfur food

intolerant. To test you would need to avoid all sulfur foods for a

period of time and then challenge. There are no other reliable tests

available.

> >

> >

> > Could be either.

> >

> > Sulfur foods feed yeast, btw.

>

> ----->Thanks - I didn't realize that.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I'm kinda devastated & very confused about it as I was going to

> go on

> > > SCD and thought I had no problems with sulfur foods. I have a

> lot of

> > > digestive problems as well. I don't know how plausible SCD and

> the

> > > yoghurt would be for me without sulfurs. I feel that fixing my

> gut

> > > is integral to healing as I'm sure I suffer from malnourishment.

> > >

This is exactly the dilemma that I am facing. For me, it is my colon

that needs fixing.

> >

> >

> >

> > You could try the beginner SCD for a period of time, without eggs

> (use egg replacer or puree pears).

> >

> > SCD does have lots of high sulfur foods on the legal list, but it is

> > possible to avoid those, and see how you do.

> >

>

> -----> I've been low carb for quite some time. I cannot tolerate

> sweets and fruit. I tried adding fruit in recently and quickly

> gained 15lbs. I don't know if it's because of the yeast or blood

> sugar problems. I'm sure I have both so it's probably a combo of the

> two. I can't even think about trying honey for the same reason.

I used honey before Christmas and quickly gained a bunch of weight,

and my problems worsened. After Christmas it was clear that I have to

avoid honey. I found it is possible to sweeten the yogurt with low

carb fruits, and the almond biscuits don't need sweetening.

So

> my food choices were pretty limited to begin with. Then I thought

> ok… maybe SCD will help w/digestive problems that low carb hasn't.

> And now I may be sulfur intolerant.

The key here is " may " be sulfur food intolerant. The next step is to

test sulfur foods and see if you really are.

Is it possible to do SCD with no

> fruit, dairy, eggs, and honey?

I have had to include some fruit. I found it possible to use only

cooked blueberries and cooked apples. I am gradually adding some

other cooked fruits now as my situation improves.

Dairy is something that you would have to determine whether or not you

can tolerate. You can make the yogurt from coconut milk or almond

milk. You can avoid the SCD cheeses if you want to.

It is possible to use SCD without eggs. It means you need to find a

protein source.

It is possible to use SCD without honey, and that is what I have to do.

I guess it is… I just don't know if I

> can do it I guess. And then with my foods so limited I'm probably

> setting myself up for more food allergies.

If you are concerned about food allergies, I would get a panel from US

Biotek.

I guess I have to look

> into how food rotation works. Like how long/often I can eat

> something for and then how long I have to avoid and move on to

> something else in the mean time.

>

> ----->Does anyone have any suggestions on any of this?

>

> ----->What kind of egg replacers are available? The only thing I

> know of is egg beaters and I think that's real egg just without the

> yolk.

>

There are recipes for egg replacers available on the net. The

pecanbread yahoo group would know what to use. I think that Elaine G

suggests using puree pears in her book.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Is SCD yoghurt considered high sulfur?

> > >

> >

> >

> > It would be if made from milk.

> >

> > You could try making it from coconut or almond milk, and see if that

> > works.

> >

>

> ----->Can you buy coconut and almond milk at the supermarket & in

> which section (refigeration)? Or is it a speciality item that has to

> be ordered?

>

You can buy coconut milk canned or frozen at most supermarkets. I

have found it in cardboard milk cartons at Chinese grocers. Almond

milk is available in cardboard containers at my local HFS. They are

not in the refrigeration section here. It is also possible to make

almond milk, and there are several recipes on the net.

> >

> >

> >

> > > , I'd love your take on this as I know you are doing SCD.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Recently I had to cut way back to very few foods and am only

> > introducing things gradually again now.

> >

> > I can tolerate sulfur foods, and do include lots of eggs.

> >

> > I use goat's milk yogurt.

> >

> > I have to avoid honey (which is SCD legal).

> >

>

> -----> I'm sure I will have to too. As well as fruits. I tried

> reintroducing fruits recently into my low-carb diet & put on weight

> quickly. Weight that I do not need. I think my metabolism is

> broken.

>

> > > The eggs make me feel bad within about 1 hour of eating and lasts

> the

> > > rest of the day badly from what I can tell.

> >

> > Guess those will have to be avoided.

> >

> -----> Definitely.

> >

> > > I think cheese is doing this also, to a lesser degree.

> >

> > I'm not sure about cheese for me. I avoided all dairy for about 6

> > years and am only testing it now. Goat's yogurt seems ok. The dry

> > curd cottage cheese makes me want to gag....

>

> ----->I read that you had avoided sulfur foods before too. Can you

> tolerate them now or just working on slowing introducing them still?

After amalgam removal I was reacting to sulfur foods. About a year

after that my plasma cysteine was tested to be low, so I started to

gradually introduce them way back then.

> So are you doing SCD without dairy, and honey?

The only dairy I use are goat's milk and butter. I need the butter

for energy and for butyric acid (which was tested to be low on a

recent stool test).

I'd have to do the

> intro dies on just gelatin, meat and chicken soup (no fruit, juices,

> or cheesecake (dairy & eggs). And then after that it's meat, cooked

> veggies (non sulfur), nuts & some good fats.

>

> ----->I had just read also that Avocado is no good either

> because " Avocado is high in glutathione, which breaks down during

> digestion, yielding cysteine " FDC post #19449. So I guess that

> should be avoided along with sulfur foods?

>

On the lists I got directly from Andy avocado is listed on the low

sulfur list. There was no link given in post 19449, so I would use

onibasu to search for posts from Andy.

(reminder - we still don't know for sure that you need to avoid sulfur

foods - all we know right now is that you need to avoid eggs)

>

>

> > > So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up

> my

> > > cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant.

> >

> >

> >

> > I really have no clue where someone got that idea? TMG is

> > trimethylglycine. It is a source of methyl groups and of glycine.

> >

> > If you aren't tolerating TMG I think it would have something to do

> > with not needing the methyl groups.

>

> -----> I didn't get the idea that TMG had anything to do with my

> problems until I read the previous post #24710. Otherwise I thought

> I was tolerating it fine. My TMG reads " TMG (trimethylglycine)

> (betaine HCl) 850 mg " . So I was taking it for methylation and

> digestive support. I know I tolerate B-12 fine as it has actually

> been helpful to me suggesting that I truely need it. I know B-12 is

> a methylator so I figured that I needed methyl groups like most of us

> do.

>

> This question of me tolerating sulfur foods and then reading that TMG

> may raise cysteine levels is what led me to question TMG. And I just

> found out from that TMG & betaine hcl are the same thing.

> So does this mean I can't use betaine hcl for stomach acid either?

You can use betaine HCl for stomach acid. It isn't going to raise

cysteine levels, and we don't know where your cysteine levels are at.

I know it is all very confusing at first. Try to separate the issues

and look at one thing at a time (in this case food allergy needs to be

separated from sulfur food intolerance).

I

> hope not because I need the stomach acid.

>

>

> >

> > If some one can explain where the link came from TMG to cysteine,

> > please tell me.

> >

> >

> -----> Ali posted the source in message #24772. It's all greek to me

> though.

Ignore Jill conclusions because there were problems with her study.

J

>

> -----> Thanks again, Sam

>