TMG, sulfur foods, SCD, & food allergies?? -- & all

April 9, 2008

Hi Ali,

Thank you for bringing this possible connection to my attention. I

hope someone does know the answer to this too. I've been using TMG

for about 3 months now.

I've suddenly realized that eggs are a big problem for me. They

weren't before as far as I could tell. I have been eating them

practically daily for a few years now since I have yeast. I know

eggs are a high sulfur food. So now I wonder if I have a problem

with sulfur or have developed a food allergy to them.

I'm kinda devastated & very confused about it as I was going to go on

SCD and thought I had no problems with sulfur foods. I have a lot of

digestive problems as well. I don't know how plausible SCD and the

yoghurt would be for me without sulfurs. I feel that fixing my gut

is integral to healing as I'm sure I suffer from malnourishment.

Is SCD yoghurt considered high sulfur?

, I'd love your take on this as I know you are doing SCD.

The eggs make me feel bad within about 1 hour of eating and lasts the

rest of the day badly from what I can tell. I think cheese is doing

this also, to a lesser degree. The eggs make my head pain worse,

make me very foggy (unable to think straight) and make me feel a

general malaise (I just feel terrible all over). It lasts at least

the rest of the day. I generally always feel like this – it is much

worse right after eggs though. Does anyone know if this sounds like

a food allergy or sulfur?

I haven't done a sulfur exclusion trial yet. I am now planning to.

It does seem a little confusing though as I've found different

directions in different places in the group. A document in the files

says 4 day exclusion, http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status says 7

days and that you may not be able to even tell right away. I really

feel overwhelmed and confused.

So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up my

cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant. I'd gladly stop

taking it to tolerate eggs again.

Anyone who wants to chime in is welcome!

Thanks all,

Sam

>

> From a few posts I have read about TMG, I

> see that it helps in detoxification. If I am

> correct Mr Cutler recommends its use.

>

> However I read on another site that using TMG

> in autistic children increased cysteine levels.

> Doesn't this cause redistribution?

>

> Hope somebody can help.

>

> Greetings,

>

> Ali

>

April 10, 2008

> > So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up my

> > cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant.

>

> I really have no clue where someone got that idea? TMG is

> trimethylglycine. It is a source of methyl groups and of glycine.

Hi found this:

''For more detail about Dr. Dr. Jill 's study, she found the

protective effect of cystine and glutathione against

Thimerosal-induced neurotoxicity. Her study included 20 autistic

children who received TMG 1000 micrograms plus Folinic Acid 800

micrograms twice daily for three weeks. There was a significant

increase in plasma methionine, cystine and glutathione levels in these

children. Many normalized through methylation and precursors to

sulfate detox pathways. According to Dr. , 75% showed a slow and

consistent improvement in autistic symptoms; however, side effects

were fairly frequent with the most common being hyperactivity,

insomnia and loose stools. In Dr. 's study the addition of Methyl

B-12 64.5 micrograms three times weekly improved the 75% rate with TMG

and Folinic Acid up to 90%. Dr. confirmed that methionine

synthatase is the key enzyme that takes the biggest hit with Mercury

heavy metal toxicity''.

Dr. seems to think cysteine is protective against

mercury toxicity, which is incorrect I think.

For exact information check this link:

http://www.drneubrander.com/Files/Oxidative%20Stress.pdf

Hope this helps

Greetings Ali

April 10, 2008

> > I've suddenly realized that eggs are a big problem for me. They

> > weren't before as far as I could tell. I have been eating them

> > practically daily for a few years now since I have yeast. I know

> > eggs are a high sulfur food. So now I wonder if I have a problem

> > with sulfur or have developed a food allergy to them.

> >

>

> Could be either.

>

> Sulfur foods feed yeast, btw.

----->Thanks - I didn't realize that.

>

> > I'm kinda devastated & very confused about it as I was going to

go on

> > SCD and thought I had no problems with sulfur foods. I have a

lot of

> > digestive problems as well. I don't know how plausible SCD and

the

> > yoghurt would be for me without sulfurs. I feel that fixing my

gut

> > is integral to healing as I'm sure I suffer from malnourishment.

> >

>

> You could try the beginner SCD for a period of time, without eggs

(use egg replacer or puree pears).

>

> SCD does have lots of high sulfur foods on the legal list, but it is

> possible to avoid those, and see how you do.

>

-----> I've been low carb for quite some time. I cannot tolerate

sweets and fruit. I tried adding fruit in recently and quickly

gained 15lbs. I don't know if it's because of the yeast or blood

sugar problems. I'm sure I have both so it's probably a combo of the

two. I can't even think about trying honey for the same reason. So

my food choices were pretty limited to begin with. Then I thought

ok… maybe SCD will help w/digestive problems that low carb hasn't.

And now I may be sulfur intolerant. Is it possible to do SCD with no

fruit, dairy, eggs, and honey? I guess it is… I just don't know if I

can do it I guess. And then with my foods so limited I'm probably

setting myself up for more food allergies. I guess I have to look

into how food rotation works. Like how long/often I can eat

something for and then how long I have to avoid and move on to

something else in the mean time.

----->Does anyone have any suggestions on any of this?

----->What kind of egg replacers are available? The only thing I

know of is egg beaters and I think that's real egg just without the

yolk.

>

> > Is SCD yoghurt considered high sulfur?

> >

>

> It would be if made from milk.

>

> You could try making it from coconut or almond milk, and see if that

> works.

>

----->Can you buy coconut and almond milk at the supermarket & in

which section (refigeration)? Or is it a speciality item that has to

be ordered?

>

> > , I'd love your take on this as I know you are doing SCD.

> >

>

> Recently I had to cut way back to very few foods and am only

> introducing things gradually again now.

>

> I can tolerate sulfur foods, and do include lots of eggs.

>

> I use goat's milk yogurt.

>

> I have to avoid honey (which is SCD legal).

>

-----> I'm sure I will have to too. As well as fruits. I tried

reintroducing fruits recently into my low-carb diet & put on weight

quickly. Weight that I do not need. I think my metabolism is

broken.

> > The eggs make me feel bad within about 1 hour of eating and lasts

the

> > rest of the day badly from what I can tell.

>

> Guess those will have to be avoided.

>

-----> Definitely.

>

> > I think cheese is doing this also, to a lesser degree.

>

> I'm not sure about cheese for me. I avoided all dairy for about 6

> years and am only testing it now. Goat's yogurt seems ok. The dry

> curd cottage cheese makes me want to gag....

----->I read that you had avoided sulfur foods before too. Can you

tolerate them now or just working on slowing introducing them still?

So are you doing SCD without dairy, and honey? I'd have to do the

intro dies on just gelatin, meat and chicken soup (no fruit, juices,

or cheesecake (dairy & eggs). And then after that it's meat, cooked

veggies (non sulfur), nuts & some good fats.

----->I had just read also that Avocado is no good either

because " Avocado is high in glutathione, which breaks down during

digestion, yielding cysteine " FDC post #19449. So I guess that

should be avoided along with sulfur foods?

> > So anyway, it would be interesting to know if the TMG pushed up

my

> > cysteine levels and made me sulfur food intolerant.

>

> I really have no clue where someone got that idea? TMG is

> trimethylglycine. It is a source of methyl groups and of glycine.

>

> If you aren't tolerating TMG I think it would have something to do

> with not needing the methyl groups.

-----> I didn't get the idea that TMG had anything to do with my

problems until I read the previous post #24710. Otherwise I thought

I was tolerating it fine. My TMG reads " TMG (trimethylglycine)

(betaine HCl) 850 mg " . So I was taking it for methylation and

digestive support. I know I tolerate B-12 fine as it has actually

been helpful to me suggesting that I truely need it. I know B-12 is

a methylator so I figured that I needed methyl groups like most of us

do.

This question of me tolerating sulfur foods and then reading that TMG

may raise cysteine levels is what led me to question TMG. And I just

found out from that TMG & betaine hcl are the same thing.

So does this mean I can't use betaine hcl for stomach acid either? I

hope not because I need the stomach acid.

>

> If some one can explain where the link came from TMG to cysteine,

> please tell me.

>

-----> Ali posted the source in message #24772. It's all greek to me

though.

-----> Thanks again, Sam

April 11, 2008

Isn't that supposed to be 64.5 mcg 'per pound' of body weight for the dose of

the b12? I know thats what the DAN drs were prescribing. I think they were rec.

giving that every 3 days.

Marcia