Re: OT - Dental questions in FDC?---DeanNetwork

[Guest guest]

My vote? A resounding YES!

The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They don't want

to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this group can help

dealing with them, that would be terrific.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~

I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to be asked.

The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups and the

advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous. Most are

aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I wonder if we

can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a new

group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this separately when

it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts under O/T

(Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important questions.

Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the dental

component?

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

My vote? A resounding YES!

The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They don't want

to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this group can help

dealing with them, that would be terrific.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~

I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to be asked.

The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups and the

advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous. Most are

aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I wonder if we

can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a new

group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this separately when

it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts under O/T

(Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important questions.

Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the dental

component?

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

My vote? A resounding YES!

The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They don't want

to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this group can help

dealing with them, that would be terrific.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~

I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to be asked.

The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups and the

advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous. Most are

aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I wonder if we

can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a new

group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this separately when

it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts under O/T

(Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important questions.

Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the dental

component?

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Absolutely yes too! The dental component is vital to the chelation

and therefore I think dental discussion is needed and shouldn't even

have to be O/T. I am in the pre-chelation dental phase myself (my

bottle of DMSA is sitting, waiting for me) and am constantly looking

up dental info on this site. Can't find the right info anywhere

else.

Thanks,

>

> My vote? A resounding YES!

>

> The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies.

They don't want to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And

if this group can help dealing with them, that would be terrific.

>

> Best,

> Robyn

>

> ~~~~~~

>

> I believe that this group should allow dental related questions

to be asked.

> The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental

groups and the

> advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright

dangerous. Most are

> aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

> Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that

need

> discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I

wonder if we

> can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening

a new

> group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this

separately when

> it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

> chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts

under O/T

> (Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important

questions.

> Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

> What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the

dental

> component?

>

> Thanks,

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Dean that dentistry and chelation go hand in hand, and needs to be

discussed to some degree on this board. Like in the cases when someone is

having trouble with chelation, and we need to tell them to check under crowns

for possible hidden amalgam. Now it would make absolutely no sense to ban all

dental talk and not help that person.

But on the flip-side, I believe this site was created to focus on Cutler's

chelation protocol, for those who didn't want to read a bunch of off-topic posts

about other chelation methods, etc. It was explained to me that FDC was

supposed to stay more on topic and only focus on Cutler's chelation protocol,

and more off topic things could be discussed on AMC or A-M, which are more open

forums. The past moderator was pretty adamant about this. But is the

moderator now, and I am just helping her out approving messages, etc., so the

final say is up to her, IMO. So I sent her an email, and we'll see what she has

to say.---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Boogie Check wrote:

My vote? A resounding YES!

The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They don't want

to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this group can help dealing

with them, that would be terrific.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~

I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to be asked.

The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups and the

advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous. Most are

aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I wonder if we

can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a new

group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this separately when

it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts under O/T

(Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important questions.

Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the dental

component?

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Right now TK is not available (if I remember correctly he would let

dental questions in as O/T?). He was given the role of main moderator

long ago. Jackie and I are moderating the group in his absence. For

the time being we will need to give our input on questions like this.

I have been letting dental questions in and marking as O/T as I catch

them. My thinking is that getting the amalgam out safely is the

essential first step towards chelation. I also find that there are

not many places a person can go when they get stuck on some aspect of

mercury free dentistry. The experiences of members of this group can

really help people to get that first step done safely and quickly.

There are some people in the group who are here only to read about

chelation experiences. For the convenience of those, we can mark

dental questions as O/T and they can quickly delete the messages or

skim over them.

The FAQ page does sound like a very good idea. I haven't been

memorizing any dental question answers, so do not usually respond. I

know there are lots of posts from Andy on the topic, mostly in autism

mercury archives. It would take some time to search for those and

pull them together in a file. If we had a FAQ page we could just add

them as we find them.

J

>

> My vote? A resounding YES!

>

> The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They

don't want to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this

group can help dealing with them, that would be terrific.

>

> Best,

> Robyn

>

> ~~~~~~

>

> I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to

be asked.

> The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups

and the

> advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous.

Most are

> aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

> Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

> discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I

wonder if we

> can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a

new

> group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this

separately when

> it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

> chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts

under O/T

> (Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important

questions.

> Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

> What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the

dental

> component?

>

> Thanks,

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

Right now TK is not available (if I remember correctly he would let

dental questions in as O/T?). He was given the role of main moderator

long ago. Jackie and I are moderating the group in his absence. For

the time being we will need to give our input on questions like this.

I have been letting dental questions in and marking as O/T as I catch

them. My thinking is that getting the amalgam out safely is the

essential first step towards chelation. I also find that there are

not many places a person can go when they get stuck on some aspect of

mercury free dentistry. The experiences of members of this group can

really help people to get that first step done safely and quickly.

There are some people in the group who are here only to read about

chelation experiences. For the convenience of those, we can mark

dental questions as O/T and they can quickly delete the messages or

skim over them.

The FAQ page does sound like a very good idea. I haven't been

memorizing any dental question answers, so do not usually respond. I

know there are lots of posts from Andy on the topic, mostly in autism

mercury archives. It would take some time to search for those and

pull them together in a file. If we had a FAQ page we could just add

them as we find them.

J

>

> My vote? A resounding YES!

>

> The dentists I have dealt with in the past have been bullies. They

don't want to hear it from a patient who asks questions. And if this

group can help dealing with them, that would be terrific.

>

> Best,

> Robyn

>

> ~~~~~~

>

> I believe that this group should allow dental related questions to

be asked.

> The reason I say this is that I have been part of many dental groups

and the

> advice they offer is often wrong and many times outright dangerous.

Most are

> aggressive when you insist on following Andy's protocol.

> Andy does not specifically address all aspects of dentistry that need

> discussing, and we are all going to come up against them. So I

wonder if we

> can come to some agreement on how we discuss these issues. Opening a

new

> group seems feasible, but how can we honestly deal with this

separately when

> it is part of the whole? To me we cannot separate dentistry out of

> chelation. I've been glad that we have been allowed dental posts

under O/T

> (Off-Topic), but I'd like us to feel free to ask such important

questions.

> Or we need to make a FAQ page which I can do if necessary.

> What do others feel? Were you also at a loss when dealing with the

dental

> component?

>

> Thanks,

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It was explained to me that FDC was supposed to stay more on topic

>and only focus on Cutler's chelation protocol, and more off topic

>things could be discussed on AMC or A-M, which are more open forums.

One reason I allow dental questions as O/T here is because the people

who are likely to know the answers are in this group.

The volume of mail in adult metal chelation has been low lately, which

tells me that not many people are following that group routinely.

When a dental question comes up we often don't know exactly what to

say. This will likely change as people come and go in that group.

The number of people following autism mercury is very large, which

gives a good chance that someone will know the answer and respond.

Most posts are allowed there. People are encouraged to take the adult

related questions to the adult groups.

I think that by answering dental questions here the person will be

less likely to contact Andy directly with the question. Andy must get

totally bombarded with questions. If we can lighten his load _maybe_

he will be available once in a while for the important questions that

we don't know the answers to.

J

[Guest guest]

>> It was explained to me that FDC was supposed to stay more on topic

>>and only focus on Cutler's chelation protocol, and more off topic

>>things could be discussed on AMC or A-M, which are more open forums.

> One reason I allow dental questions as O/T here is because the people

> who are likely to know the answers are in this group.

Hi ,

I also think that we have somewhat of a unique oppertunity here with regard

to dental work.

Since chelation is a long-term process, this is one group where the same

people stick around for a long time and accumulate a lot of knowledge than

can be passed on. In other dental groups you find that there is one person

calling the shots and often they have fixed opinions and are the only ones

that stick around for long. Most other people will only be around dental

groups for a while and then leave as the information is so repetitive and

limited, and when they have completed the process what's the point in

hanging about. Every dental group I have been part of for a while is

actually anti-Andy Cutler chelation, which bemuses me. They won't even

accept mention of it. So after a while I got fed up and left.

>There are some people in the group who are here only to read about

>chelation experiences. For the convenience of those, we can mark

>dental questions as O/T and they can quickly delete the messages or

>skim over them.

Yes, making the heading O/T or Dental is fine, as long as people feel

comfortable to ask about it.

> I think that by answering dental questions here the person will be

> less likely to contact Andy directly with the question. Andy must get

> totally bombarded with questions. If we can lighten his load _maybe_

> he will be available once in a while for the important questions that

> we don't know the answers to.

Yes, that is true. I have been meaning to get a FAQ dental page together

anyway for the livingnetwork site and will work on it.

Of course my opinions are somewhat stronger than Andy's on root canals and

cavitations, which I think should be addressed as a matter of routine. I

also favour Hulda 's dental advice which does not fit within this

protocol, so maybe I'm not the best person to handle this project.

Thanks again for a great sharing space,

this is truly a unique and excellent group.

C.U.T.C - Chelate Until Totally Cured

:-)

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

>> It was explained to me that FDC was supposed to stay more on topic

>>and only focus on Cutler's chelation protocol, and more off topic

>>things could be discussed on AMC or A-M, which are more open forums.

> One reason I allow dental questions as O/T here is because the people

> who are likely to know the answers are in this group.

Hi ,

I also think that we have somewhat of a unique oppertunity here with regard

to dental work.

Since chelation is a long-term process, this is one group where the same

people stick around for a long time and accumulate a lot of knowledge than

can be passed on. In other dental groups you find that there is one person

calling the shots and often they have fixed opinions and are the only ones

that stick around for long. Most other people will only be around dental

groups for a while and then leave as the information is so repetitive and

limited, and when they have completed the process what's the point in

hanging about. Every dental group I have been part of for a while is

actually anti-Andy Cutler chelation, which bemuses me. They won't even

accept mention of it. So after a while I got fed up and left.

>There are some people in the group who are here only to read about

>chelation experiences. For the convenience of those, we can mark

>dental questions as O/T and they can quickly delete the messages or

>skim over them.

Yes, making the heading O/T or Dental is fine, as long as people feel

comfortable to ask about it.

> I think that by answering dental questions here the person will be

> less likely to contact Andy directly with the question. Andy must get

> totally bombarded with questions. If we can lighten his load _maybe_

> he will be available once in a while for the important questions that

> we don't know the answers to.

Yes, that is true. I have been meaning to get a FAQ dental page together

anyway for the livingnetwork site and will work on it.

Of course my opinions are somewhat stronger than Andy's on root canals and

cavitations, which I think should be addressed as a matter of routine. I

also favour Hulda 's dental advice which does not fit within this

protocol, so maybe I'm not the best person to handle this project.

Thanks again for a great sharing space,

this is truly a unique and excellent group.

C.U.T.C - Chelate Until Totally Cured

:-)

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

> I have been meaning to get a FAQ dental page together

> anyway for the livingnetwork site and will work on it.

> Of course my opinions are somewhat stronger than Andy's on root

canals and

> cavitations, which I think should be addressed as a matter of

routine. I

> also favour Hulda 's dental advice which does not fit within this

> protocol, so maybe I'm not the best person to handle this project.

>

I am certainly not the best person to handle the project. I generally

don't pay attention to the dental questions. I can't remember the

answers anyway. I prefer to find a link where Andy has answered the

same question before, but don't have time these days to search for

those. Having all 3 of autism mercury, frequent-dose-chelation and

adult-metal-chelation available at www.onibasu.come makes searching easy.

When you do have a dental page for livingnetwork perhaps I could

borrow it and pare it down to the essential details that could be

included in our files section. The root canal and cavitation topic

can be presented as something for people to consider. I have not read

Hulda 's dental advise, so can not comment on that part.

I am slowly going through old posts from Andy and will eventually have

a list of dental posts. The best ones of those would be included in

the dental file, if and when we pull it together.

> Thanks again for a great sharing space,

> this is truly a unique and excellent group.

Thank you for your contributions!

> C.U.T.C - Chelate Until Totally Cured

and encouragement! I'll be increasing the doses this weekend!!

J

> :-)

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

> I have been meaning to get a FAQ dental page together

> anyway for the livingnetwork site and will work on it.

> Of course my opinions are somewhat stronger than Andy's on root

canals and

> cavitations, which I think should be addressed as a matter of

routine. I

> also favour Hulda 's dental advice which does not fit within this

> protocol, so maybe I'm not the best person to handle this project.

>

I am certainly not the best person to handle the project. I generally

don't pay attention to the dental questions. I can't remember the

answers anyway. I prefer to find a link where Andy has answered the

same question before, but don't have time these days to search for

those. Having all 3 of autism mercury, frequent-dose-chelation and

adult-metal-chelation available at www.onibasu.come makes searching easy.

When you do have a dental page for livingnetwork perhaps I could

borrow it and pare it down to the essential details that could be

included in our files section. The root canal and cavitation topic

can be presented as something for people to consider. I have not read

Hulda 's dental advise, so can not comment on that part.

*********I am also not the best person for this project either, because I only

had fillings replaced; no crowns, bridges, root canals, extractions, etc. to

deal with. And I also had the Clifford's biocompatability testing done, so I

didn't even do any research into dental materials, just let my dentist choose

from there. So I have had no personal experience with alot of these things. I

have done some reading about root canals and cavitations, but don't have any

root canals and have not had any testing or treatment done for cavitations, so

again, no personal experience. But I did have the same thought that maybe we

could use most/part of what Dean puts together, and then maybe give a link to

his website, if people want to consider more options, and just state that this

maybe outside of Andy's protocol?--------Jackie

I am slowly going through old posts from Andy and will eventually have

a list of dental posts. The best ones of those would be included in

the dental file, if and when we pull it together.

-----------Is there anything like this in the onibasu wiki? Is that where you

are talking about putting these posts, or in our own file here at

FDC?---------Jackie

> Thanks again for a great sharing space,

> this is truly a unique and excellent group.

Thank you for your contributions!

> C.U.T.C - Chelate Until Totally Cured

-------------Dean, I was trying to think how you could word this so it was

C.U.T.E. Then you could say you're cute, and/or we could all say we're " cute "

some day! Just a silly thought ------------Jackie

and encouragement! I'll be increasing the doses this weekend!!

-------------Hope it goes well, good luck! -----------Jackie

J

> :-)

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

> I have been meaning to get a FAQ dental page together

> anyway for the livingnetwork site and will work on it.

> Of course my opinions are somewhat stronger than Andy's on root

canals and

> cavitations, which I think should be addressed as a matter of

routine. I

> also favour Hulda 's dental advice which does not fit within this

> protocol, so maybe I'm not the best person to handle this project.

>

I am certainly not the best person to handle the project. I generally

don't pay attention to the dental questions. I can't remember the

answers anyway. I prefer to find a link where Andy has answered the

same question before, but don't have time these days to search for

those. Having all 3 of autism mercury, frequent-dose-chelation and

adult-metal-chelation available at www.onibasu.come makes searching easy.

When you do have a dental page for livingnetwork perhaps I could

borrow it and pare it down to the essential details that could be

included in our files section. The root canal and cavitation topic

can be presented as something for people to consider. I have not read

Hulda 's dental advise, so can not comment on that part.

*********I am also not the best person for this project either, because I only

had fillings replaced; no crowns, bridges, root canals, extractions, etc. to

deal with. And I also had the Clifford's biocompatability testing done, so I

didn't even do any research into dental materials, just let my dentist choose

from there. So I have had no personal experience with alot of these things. I

have done some reading about root canals and cavitations, but don't have any

root canals and have not had any testing or treatment done for cavitations, so

again, no personal experience. But I did have the same thought that maybe we

could use most/part of what Dean puts together, and then maybe give a link to

his website, if people want to consider more options, and just state that this

maybe outside of Andy's protocol?--------Jackie

I am slowly going through old posts from Andy and will eventually have

a list of dental posts. The best ones of those would be included in

the dental file, if and when we pull it together.

-----------Is there anything like this in the onibasu wiki? Is that where you

are talking about putting these posts, or in our own file here at

FDC?---------Jackie

> Thanks again for a great sharing space,

> this is truly a unique and excellent group.

Thank you for your contributions!

> C.U.T.C - Chelate Until Totally Cured

-------------Dean, I was trying to think how you could word this so it was

C.U.T.E. Then you could say you're cute, and/or we could all say we're " cute "

some day! Just a silly thought ------------Jackie

and encouragement! I'll be increasing the doses this weekend!!

-------------Hope it goes well, good luck! -----------Jackie

J

> :-)

> DeanSA

>