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> If I understand correctly, that means the first year I'll remove 50%. The

> second year, 50% of what remains, so after two years, 25% of the original

> amount will be left. After 3 years, about 12.5% of the original amount

> will

> remain. After 4 years about 6% of the original amount will remain.

Hi Dean,

Since the dosage of chelators will remain the same or increase and the

amount of mercury to chelate will decrease, I believe that it goes

exponentially quicker towards the end at these higher dosages i.e a slow

hard slog the first year, then a bit easier the second, and from then on

much quicker.

That is of course assuming that your adrenals and thyroid are up to the task

of chelation.

Smaller doses and iller metabolism makes for slow chelation.

50-100mg is huge for most of us.

DeanSA

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> If I understand correctly, that means the first year I'll remove 50%. The

> second year, 50% of what remains, so after two years, 25% of the original

> amount will be left. After 3 years, about 12.5% of the original amount

> will

> remain. After 4 years about 6% of the original amount will remain.

Hi Dean,

Since the dosage of chelators will remain the same or increase and the

amount of mercury to chelate will decrease, I believe that it goes

exponentially quicker towards the end at these higher dosages i.e a slow

hard slog the first year, then a bit easier the second, and from then on

much quicker.

That is of course assuming that your adrenals and thyroid are up to the task

of chelation.

Smaller doses and iller metabolism makes for slow chelation.

50-100mg is huge for most of us.

DeanSA

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> If I understand correctly, that means the first year I'll remove 50%. The

> second year, 50% of what remains, so after two years, 25% of the original

> amount will be left. After 3 years, about 12.5% of the original amount

> will

> remain. After 4 years about 6% of the original amount will remain.

Hi Dean,

Since the dosage of chelators will remain the same or increase and the

amount of mercury to chelate will decrease, I believe that it goes

exponentially quicker towards the end at these higher dosages i.e a slow

hard slog the first year, then a bit easier the second, and from then on

much quicker.

That is of course assuming that your adrenals and thyroid are up to the task

of chelation.

Smaller doses and iller metabolism makes for slow chelation.

50-100mg is huge for most of us.

DeanSA

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> Sometimes I'll take out my copy of AI and just skim through it, and

every

> now and then I come across some interesting tidbit I'd either

forgotten or

> hadn't seen. Here's one - on page 90 Andy writes that taking 50-100

mg dmsa

> + 50-100 mg ala every 3-4 hours (I believe he since has come to

insist on

> every 3 hours for ala) will remove about 1/2 to 1% of the mercury in the

> brain every day that you chelate. Thus in order to reduce brain

mercury by

> 50%, you have to chelate for 70-140 days.

>

Can someone help me understand why we should expect the amount of Hg

removed to be a fixed percentage (1/2 to 1%), as opposed to a fixed

absolute amount?

For example, Person A is mildly Hg intoxicated with a total quantity

of X stored in his/her tissues, glands, etc. Person B is severely

intoxicated with 10X of mercury. Assume distribution of Hg among

tissues and organs is similar in both cases - only the quantity

differs greatly. Both take 75mg of a chelator every 3/4 hours, per

high frequency schedule. Since they are both taking 75mg of the

chelator, wouldn't we expect that roughly the same amount of mercury

will be mobilized/chelated in Person A and Person B? Assuming similar

excretory efficiency during chelation, the percentage reduction will

be much greater in A relatively to B. (since denominator is much

larger for Person B)

Certain rules of thumb like this are difficult to accept at face value

without further explanation. Perhaps the 1/2% to 1% " rule " is just an

oversimplification, assuming some sort of " average " level of toxicity

per person. But given the degree of toxicity varies tremendously from

person to person, as AI describes elaborately, I'm not sure how useful

this kind of rule of thumb is.

Darren

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Hello Darren,

I'm not certain what your point is. Dean has found a

section of AI that gives a very general guesstimate of

what the expected rate of mercury removal might be.

Generally speaking, 2 to 3 years seems to be the

typical time frame. It worked for me. Major

breakthroughs in the return of photographic memory let

me know it really was clearing my brain. I keep

seeing small improvements with my current, random, 3

day sessions of 100mg ALA/ 100mg DMSA every 3 hours.

(I just finished 3 days over this long weekend.)

During this process we have to take multiple

supplements to provide our bodies with the other

nutrients that the chelator may latch onto if it

cannot find any mercury, or only a minimal amount of

mercury. This is not a simple one-to-one reaction

between ALA, or DMSA and mercury. Part of this

multiple reaction process is where the " Half-Life " of

the chelator comes from. It doesn't enter our bodies

and weaken from any aging affect. It enters our

bodies and actively reacts chemically throughout our

systems.

This is why the protocol calls for equal time off from

the chelation dosing. The continued supplements

replace what the chelators latch onto. We find many

people on this site who argue themselves into the mode

of chelating for as long a period as they can handle.

They want to speed everything up. Unfortunately they

are pushing the envelope of how depeleted these other

chemicals can become, before other organs begin to see

problems.

Andy has a very logical, sensible protocol that allows

you to take control of the process. You are not at

the mercy of some MD to prescribe a massive dose of

chelator and declare that he has never had a patient

complain of any problems. (No. 1, the patient has to

make and pay for an appointment to let the doctor know

that he/she is having problems. Because, No. 2,

doctors do not perform any follow ups to check in on

their patients, in this day and age. No. 3, the

doctor had all interest in performing any kind of

scientific testing eliminated from his thought

process, during his years of medical school. That

training was fundamentally how to translate a

patient's physical symptoms into Latin; look up in the

" Physician's Desk Reference " what the appropriate

treatment is; prescribe that treatment and never look

back. If a patient is harmed, or injured from this

process, the doctor cannot even suggest an apology.

That is banned by his mal-practice insurance provider.

He can loose his insurance coverage if the

corporations learn that he has cast doubt on the

ultimate perfection of all of his medical decisions

and prescriptions. This medical industry is working

like a religion instead of a scientific endeavor that

actually cures people.)

Bottom line, relax. You have an opportunity to

actually help yourself. 1/2 to 1% per day is a fairly

rapid chelation rate. 3 days on chelation means we

are removing 1.5 to 3% of the mercury remaining in our

brain each chelation cycle. As the amount of mercury

keeps dwindling it gets harder and harder for the

chemical reactions with the ALA to occur. (There's

the same amount of ALA, but there is less and less

mercury to react with. Whatever, amount there is, 1.5

to 3% will be removed during a 3 day cycle.) At some

point we will be down to such trace amounts that

chelation doesn't seem to do anything. We have our

brains down to background levels and our systems can

handle it.

I feel that I am in this mode with the ALA. I did my

2 years of chelation with ALA only. My current

protocol has added DMSA (now that I seem to be able to

tolerate its side effects). I think the DMSA may be

responsible for my current perceived improvements, due

to its ability to chelate lead.

This process works. Don't get tangled up in

microscopic details of the chemistry. Stay focused on

your own chemistry and have the ultimate positive

experience of discovering that this process works.

Take it slow. You are in charge. Do not hurt

yourself. It's wonderful to see all of the variety of

effects from mercury disappear. It's frustrating to

see that we have an industry and politicians that

refuse to acknowledge how devastating this hazardous

material is to human beings.

Enjoy,

Klipfel

--- Darren xbluehens@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Sometimes I'll take out my copy of AI and just

> skim through it, and

> every

> > now and then I come across some interesting tidbit

> I'd either

> forgotten or

> > hadn't seen. Here's one - on page 90 Andy writes

> that taking 50-100

> mg dmsa

> > + 50-100 mg ala every 3-4 hours (I believe he

> since has come to

> insist on

> > every 3 hours for ala) will remove about 1/2 to 1%

> of the mercury in the

> > brain every day that you chelate. Thus in order

> to reduce brain

> mercury by

> > 50%, you have to chelate for 70-140 days.

> >

>

> Can someone help me understand why we should expect

> the amount of Hg

> removed to be a fixed percentage (1/2 to 1%), as

> opposed to a fixed

> absolute amount?

>

> For example, Person A is mildly Hg intoxicated with

> a total quantity

> of X stored in his/her tissues, glands, etc. Person

> B is severely

> intoxicated with 10X of mercury. Assume

> distribution of Hg among

> tissues and organs is similar in both cases - only

> the quantity

> differs greatly. Both take 75mg of a chelator every

> 3/4 hours, per

> high frequency schedule. Since they are both taking

> 75mg of the

> chelator, wouldn't we expect that roughly the same

> amount of mercury

> will be mobilized/chelated in Person A and Person B?

> Assuming similar

> excretory efficiency during chelation, the

> percentage reduction will

> be much greater in A relatively to B. (since

> denominator is much

> larger for Person B)

>

> Certain rules of thumb like this are difficult to

> accept at face value

> without further explanation. Perhaps the 1/2% to 1%

> " rule " is just an

> oversimplification, assuming some sort of " average "

> level of toxicity

> per person. But given the degree of toxicity varies

> tremendously from

> person to person, as AI describes elaborately, I'm

> not sure how useful

> this kind of rule of thumb is.

>

> Darren

>

>

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> > >

> > > Sometimes I'll take out my copy of AI and just

> > skim through it, and

> > every

> > > now and then I come across some interesting tidbit

> > I'd either

> > forgotten or

> > > hadn't seen. Here's one - on page 90 Andy writes

> > that taking 50-100

> > mg dmsa

> > > + 50-100 mg ala every 3-4 hours (I believe he

> > since has come to

> > insist on

> > > every 3 hours for ala) will remove about 1/2 to 1%

> > of the mercury in the

> > > brain every day that you chelate. Thus in order

> > to reduce brain

> > mercury by

> > > 50%, you have to chelate for 70-140 days.

> > >

> >

> > Can someone help me understand why we should expect

> > the amount of Hg

> > removed to be a fixed percentage (1/2 to 1%), as

> > opposed to a fixed

> > absolute amount?

> >

> > For example, Person A is mildly Hg intoxicated with

> > a total quantity

> > of X stored in his/her tissues, glands, etc. Person

> > B is severely

> > intoxicated with 10X of mercury. Assume

> > distribution of Hg among

> > tissues and organs is similar in both cases - only

> > the quantity

> > differs greatly. Both take 75mg of a chelator every

> > 3/4 hours, per

> > high frequency schedule. Since they are both taking

> > 75mg of the

> > chelator, wouldn't we expect that roughly the same

> > amount of mercury

> > will be mobilized/chelated in Person A and Person B?

> > Assuming similar

> > excretory efficiency during chelation, the

> > percentage reduction will

> > be much greater in A relatively to B. (since

> > denominator is much

> > larger for Person B)

> >

> > Certain rules of thumb like this are difficult to

> > accept at face value

> > without further explanation. Perhaps the 1/2% to 1%

> > " rule " is just an

> > oversimplification, assuming some sort of " average "

> > level of toxicity

> > per person. But given the degree of toxicity varies

> > tremendously from

> > person to person, as AI describes elaborately, I'm

> > not sure how useful

> > this kind of rule of thumb is.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Thanks you sooo much for posting this. I printed it out so I can read

it when I feel like I am getting nowhere. It is a slow process, I

also dont want to increase side effects. Patience is a virtue.

Vivian

>

> Sometimes I'll take out my copy of AI and just skim through it, and

every

> now and then I come across some interesting tidbit I'd either

forgotten or

> hadn't seen. Here's one - on page 90 Andy writes that taking 50-100

mg dmsa

> + 50-100 mg ala every 3-4 hours (I believe he since has come to

insist on

> every 3 hours for ala) will remove about 1/2 to 1% of the mercury in the

> brain every day that you chelate. Thus in order to reduce brain

mercury by

> 50%, you have to chelate for 70-140 days.

>

> It's interesting and useful to see it quantified that way. At the lower

> dosages most of us use here, it's probably at the 1/2% per day or

even less

> (I use 25 mg ala every 2.5-3 hours). So as a rough rule of thumb,

since I'm

> usually chelating about half the time (4 days on and 3 days off or vice

> versa), I'm probably removing 50% of my mercury every year or so.

>

> If I understand correctly, that means the first year I'll remove

50%. The

> second year, 50% of what remains, so after two years, 25% of the

original

> amount will be left. After 3 years, about 12.5% of the original

amount will

> remain. After 4 years about 6% of the original amount will remain.

>

> I find this very helpful in understanding why progress is sometimes so

> maddeningly slow, why I should expect to heal slowly, and why I

should be

> patient and confident that good things are happening even if it

seems I've

> plateau'd.

>

> Dean

>

>

>

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I totally agree. This are great posts. It's hard to be patient without proper

understanding of why to be patient. And I can't believe how much I was agreeing

and nodding my head through Darren's post! We are the tortoise --- not the hare

;)

: Donna

>>Thanks you sooo much for posting this. I printed it out so I can read

>>it when I feel like I am getting nowhere. It is a slow process, I

>>also dont want to increase side effects. Patience is a virtue.

>>Vivian

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I totally agree. This are great posts. It's hard to be patient without proper

understanding of why to be patient. And I can't believe how much I was agreeing

and nodding my head through Darren's post! We are the tortoise --- not the hare

;)

: Donna

>>Thanks you sooo much for posting this. I printed it out so I can read

>>it when I feel like I am getting nowhere. It is a slow process, I

>>also dont want to increase side effects. Patience is a virtue.

>>Vivian

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