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In a message dated 7/17/01 10:37:44 PM W. Australia Standard Time

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> Can someone please explain.

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I'm sure that all the Ant's on this list will reply to this.

Posterior babies have further to rotate as they descend into the pelvis - so

it can take longer, you can get more tired, and so your perception of pain

can be greater.

In addition, the pressure on your spine can make it feel more painful.

There can be other factors too.

Debbie Slater

ANT on time out in Perth - and hoping she's got it right :-)

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> Posterior babies have further to rotate as they descend into the

pelvis - so

> it can take longer, you can get more tired, and so your perception

of pain

> can be greater.

>

> In addition, the pressure on your spine can make it feel more

painful.

>

> There can be other factors too.

>

> Debbie Slater

> ANT on time out in Perth - and hoping she's got it right :-)

That's almost exactly what I said to the word, only no one but

Lesley acknowledged it! :) see message 27783 !

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Why is the pressure on one's spine greater if the baby is back to back?

Anneliese and Toddler Tim

Posterior babies

In a message dated 7/17/01 10:37:44 PM W. Australia Standard Time

writes:

> Can someone please explain.

>

I'm sure that all the Ant's on this list will reply to this.

Posterior babies have further to rotate as they descend into the pelvis - so

it can take longer, you can get more tired, and so your perception of pain

can be greater.

In addition, the pressure on your spine can make it feel more painful.

There can be other factors too.

Debbie Slater

ANT on time out in Perth - and hoping she's got it right :-)

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> Why is the pressure on one's spine greater if the baby is back to

back?

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> Anneliese and Toddler Tim

Because the baby is lying against your spine rather than the side of

the uterus.

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But (sorry, ignoramus here) surely that only makes a difference when you're

lying down?

Anneliese the baffled!

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> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:27:09 -0000

> From: ruthie@...

> Subject: Re: Posterior babies

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> > Why is the pressure on one's spine greater if the baby is back to

> back?

> >

> > Anneliese and Toddler Tim

>

> Because the baby is lying against your spine rather than the side of

> the uterus.

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> Ruthie

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> But (sorry, ignoramus here) surely that only makes a difference when

you're

> lying down?

Strangely, no, altho that might seem logical. I didn't know my baby

was posterior until the day that I was induced at 42 weeks. Since she

was 9.5lbs it was unlikely she'd turned overnight - think I might have

noticed!!). But I *think* the contractions cause the baby's spine and

your own/coccyx to grind together. You can get some relief by leaning

forward and I tried all fours but it doesn't relieve the pain

entirely, even when you've had pethidine. Also it can help to have

someone apply coutner pressure to the ?sacrum.

The only way I can describe the pain is to liken it to the spasms you

might suffer as a result of food poisoning - my labour reminded me of

the salmonella I'd suffered 8 years before but far more intense and of

course every 3 minutes or so, whereas with salmonella I could avoid

the spasms entirely by not eating or drinking ;-))

I'm sorry - I don't know enough about the body to explain why it is,

this is just my personal expereince.

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Sue

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> > But (sorry, ignoramus here) surely that only makes a difference

when

> you're

> > lying down?

Just imagine a pregnant woman on all fours and imagine the baby lying

inside her. There is NO WAY that baby *can* settle against her spine.

But the supine and sedentary lifestyle most of us adopt lends itself

to the baby settling that way. Once they're there, they need to

actually *turn* before they move off their OP position. So the

pressure is there no matter whether mum is lying down or not.

HTH

Ruthie

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Re. your " HTH " - um.... no, not at all!

Where is the pressure coming from? The gravitational force vector most

certainly isn't making the baby press against the mother's spine unless

she's supine! If she's got really tight abs the baby could brace its little

hands and feet against her muscles and keep bouncing off her spine I

suppose, but...

Sorry, I just don't understand. I must be missing something.

HOWEVER, Sue W, I could kind of " get " your explanation, though - the

contractions causing the bone to bone crunch sounded plausible.

BTW, I've had severe food poisoning spasms and they were a doddle compared

with my labour! (but with the staph poisoning I ended up with pulled thigh

muscles the next day due to the violence of the vomiting... oh, that was a

wonderful holiday :-( )

Oh, Ruthie, who are your publishers again?

Anneliese the k****ered - I'm dreaming far too much at the moment and it's

wearing me out!

Re: posterior babies

Just imagine a pregnant woman on all fours and imagine the baby lying

inside her. There is NO WAY that baby *can* settle against her spine.

But the supine and sedentary lifestyle most of us adopt lends itself

to the baby settling that way. Once they're there, they need to

actually *turn* before they move off their OP position. So the

pressure is there no matter whether mum is lying down or not.

HTH

Ruthie

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