RE: ALT MED--bugleweed and ATDs

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly and ,

It is impossible to know what the problem was for . Here is why.

1. I believe you are still fairly new thus, you may not have had time to

find exactly what all of your hyper vs. hypo symptoms are for sure.

The bugleweed you used, if NOT substituted for ATDs may well have made you

hypo.

One must reduce ATDs when adding bugleweed.

Many hypo symptoms , when we are close to right are very hard to understand.

For example, when I am hypo I become very anxious, can not sleep and my BP

goes up. I have rushes of anger then despair.

2. Sine the bugleweed you used was not a prescription, we have no way of

knowing anything about it. The over the counter is NOT regulated, and by

using different parts of the plant in different proportions, you would have

a totally different product.

The people selling over the counter ARE interested in profit...thus they can

make more money if they cheat a bit in this department, and then put that

warning on there...their butts are covered, they can't be sued...and they

have done nothing wrong.

Over the counter can not be very strong, or they would be selling to normal

people and causing big problems.

I was very successful using prescription Bugleweed with my PTU. BUT...I used

it INSTEAD of part of my ATD...and I had labs every 4 weeks to be sure I was

getting the exact right amount of Bugleweed. I measured and timed the

tincture as exactly as my PTU.

I also had several years into this and was able to know what MY hypo

symptoms are for sure.

This is the reason I ALWAYS jump in and warn new people they should never be

experimenting in such a way. One thing at a time. First get through the

early months and become stable. Have some time being stable and lowering the

ATD. THEN say 9 months or a year into it, they will have enough experience

in their own unique symptoms and timing to be able to consider adding the

tincture.

It will take a year to really know this, and to have worked out the more

important food and iodine issues, which are much more important.

-Pam L -

3 1/2 yr.Graves and TED, PTU, Remission due to education, SLOW reduction of

PTU, improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition,herbs, and looking at the BIG

picture !

Pills alone only fix symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal.

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly and ,

It is impossible to know what the problem was for . Here is why.

1. I believe you are still fairly new thus, you may not have had time to

find exactly what all of your hyper vs. hypo symptoms are for sure.

The bugleweed you used, if NOT substituted for ATDs may well have made you

hypo.

One must reduce ATDs when adding bugleweed.

Many hypo symptoms , when we are close to right are very hard to understand.

For example, when I am hypo I become very anxious, can not sleep and my BP

goes up. I have rushes of anger then despair.

2. Sine the bugleweed you used was not a prescription, we have no way of

knowing anything about it. The over the counter is NOT regulated, and by

using different parts of the plant in different proportions, you would have

a totally different product.

The people selling over the counter ARE interested in profit...thus they can

make more money if they cheat a bit in this department, and then put that

warning on there...their butts are covered, they can't be sued...and they

have done nothing wrong.

Over the counter can not be very strong, or they would be selling to normal

people and causing big problems.

I was very successful using prescription Bugleweed with my PTU. BUT...I used

it INSTEAD of part of my ATD...and I had labs every 4 weeks to be sure I was

getting the exact right amount of Bugleweed. I measured and timed the

tincture as exactly as my PTU.

I also had several years into this and was able to know what MY hypo

symptoms are for sure.

This is the reason I ALWAYS jump in and warn new people they should never be

experimenting in such a way. One thing at a time. First get through the

early months and become stable. Have some time being stable and lowering the

ATD. THEN say 9 months or a year into it, they will have enough experience

in their own unique symptoms and timing to be able to consider adding the

tincture.

It will take a year to really know this, and to have worked out the more

important food and iodine issues, which are much more important.

-Pam L -

3 1/2 yr.Graves and TED, PTU, Remission due to education, SLOW reduction of

PTU, improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition,herbs, and looking at the BIG

picture !

Pills alone only fix symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal.

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly and ,

It is impossible to know what the problem was for . Here is why.

1. I believe you are still fairly new thus, you may not have had time to

find exactly what all of your hyper vs. hypo symptoms are for sure.

The bugleweed you used, if NOT substituted for ATDs may well have made you

hypo.

One must reduce ATDs when adding bugleweed.

Many hypo symptoms , when we are close to right are very hard to understand.

For example, when I am hypo I become very anxious, can not sleep and my BP

goes up. I have rushes of anger then despair.

2. Sine the bugleweed you used was not a prescription, we have no way of

knowing anything about it. The over the counter is NOT regulated, and by

using different parts of the plant in different proportions, you would have

a totally different product.

The people selling over the counter ARE interested in profit...thus they can

make more money if they cheat a bit in this department, and then put that

warning on there...their butts are covered, they can't be sued...and they

have done nothing wrong.

Over the counter can not be very strong, or they would be selling to normal

people and causing big problems.

I was very successful using prescription Bugleweed with my PTU. BUT...I used

it INSTEAD of part of my ATD...and I had labs every 4 weeks to be sure I was

getting the exact right amount of Bugleweed. I measured and timed the

tincture as exactly as my PTU.

I also had several years into this and was able to know what MY hypo

symptoms are for sure.

This is the reason I ALWAYS jump in and warn new people they should never be

experimenting in such a way. One thing at a time. First get through the

early months and become stable. Have some time being stable and lowering the

ATD. THEN say 9 months or a year into it, they will have enough experience

in their own unique symptoms and timing to be able to consider adding the

tincture.

It will take a year to really know this, and to have worked out the more

important food and iodine issues, which are much more important.

-Pam L -

3 1/2 yr.Graves and TED, PTU, Remission due to education, SLOW reduction of

PTU, improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition,herbs, and looking at the BIG

picture !

Pills alone only fix symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam. I consider myself one of the oldies, being I've been here for 15

months now. Hard to believe! Supposedly herb-pharm's products are

standardized. I perused their website and was quite impressed. So, I'm not

really all that concerned about the " quality " of the product. I'm sure it's

not as strong as prescription strength, but I think it's going to be

consistent.

My original thoughts were that I could lower my dosage of MMI and add

bugleweed. Sounds like you did the same thing. The scary part is figuring

out how much. I guess I'll just have to go by trial and error and follow my

symptoms. I'm doing so good right now, though, that I'm hesitant to do

anything to mess it up. And I probably won't. The thyroid swelling and eye

problems that increased when I lowered my dose last have gone away, so the

antibodies aren't as big a concern to me as they were a few weeks ago. I'm

just at that crazy point when even a tiny amount makes a difference! I get

hypo symptoms on one dose, then lower it by as little as 1.25 mg, and the

hypo symptoms go away, but my thyroid swells and my eyes hurt. I know you

know what I mean, because I remember your " pill shaving " you did last fall.

But, I do feel optimistic that all this means I'm heading toward remission.

Thanks for the information and concern. It's good to have you around with

your experience in this area!

Holly

Dx. 8/2001; 5 mg. MMI

Re: ALT MED--bugleweed and ATDs

Hi Holly and ,

It is impossible to know what the problem was for . Here is why.

1. I believe you are still fairly new thus, you may not have had time to

find exactly what all of your hyper vs. hypo symptoms are for sure.

The bugleweed you used, if NOT substituted for ATDs may well have made you

hypo.

One must reduce ATDs when adding bugleweed.

Many hypo symptoms , when we are close to right are very hard to understand.

For example, when I am hypo I become very anxious, can not sleep and my BP

goes up. I have rushes of anger then despair.

2. Sine the bugleweed you used was not a prescription, we have no way of

knowing anything about it. The over the counter is NOT regulated, and by

using different parts of the plant in different proportions, you would have

a totally different product.

The people selling over the counter ARE interested in profit...thus they can

make more money if they cheat a bit in this department, and then put that

warning on there...their butts are covered, they can't be sued...and they

have done nothing wrong.

Over the counter can not be very strong, or they would be selling to normal

people and causing big problems.

I was very successful using prescription Bugleweed with my PTU. BUT...I used

it INSTEAD of part of my ATD...and I had labs every 4 weeks to be sure I was

getting the exact right amount of Bugleweed. I measured and timed the

tincture as exactly as my PTU.

I also had several years into this and was able to know what MY hypo

symptoms are for sure.

This is the reason I ALWAYS jump in and warn new people they should never be

experimenting in such a way. One thing at a time. First get through the

early months and become stable. Have some time being stable and lowering the

ATD. THEN say 9 months or a year into it, they will have enough experience

in their own unique symptoms and timing to be able to consider adding the

tincture.

It will take a year to really know this, and to have worked out the more

important food and iodine issues, which are much more important.

-Pam L -

3 1/2 yr.Graves and TED, PTU, Remission due to education, SLOW reduction of

PTU, improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition,herbs, and looking at the BIG

picture !

Pills alone only fix symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal.

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