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Labs confirm normal cysteine and low sufates, confirming mostly blocked

sulfation pathways. Molybedenum is recommended. Any advice or

experience on these issues out there?

Thanks, Mark

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In frequent-dose-chelation alexseeold wrote:

Labs confirm normal cysteine and low sulfates, confirming mostly blocked

sulfation pathways. Molybedenum is recommended. Any advice or

experience on these issues out there?

-----------I have normal cysteine and low sulfate, but was never told I have

blocked sulfation pathways. Anyway, I take 1,000 mcg of molybdenum picolinate,

Thorne brand, every day. You should also be supplementing sulfate any way you

can, by taking epsom salt baths,, using mag sulfate cream, and/or taking

glucosamine sulfate (just never take it with calcium). Here's a really good

post by Andy on this subject. It's a good one to print out and study.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

But now, after saying all of that, did you just recently do the Liver Detox

Panel by Genova (Great Smokies)? My understanding is that they now do *serum*

cysteine and sulfate, instead of *plasma* which they used to do and Andy

preferred. I believe Andy says that the new test isn't accurate/relevant? I

don't have a link handy to him posting about this, but maybe or somebody

else does. But I still don't think there is any harm in supplementing

molybdenum and sulfate to see if they help. Anyone else remember details about

this?---------Jackie

Thanks, Mark

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In frequent-dose-chelation alexseeold wrote:

Labs confirm normal cysteine and low sulfates, confirming mostly blocked

sulfation pathways. Molybedenum is recommended. Any advice or

experience on these issues out there?

-----------I have normal cysteine and low sulfate, but was never told I have

blocked sulfation pathways. Anyway, I take 1,000 mcg of molybdenum picolinate,

Thorne brand, every day. You should also be supplementing sulfate any way you

can, by taking epsom salt baths,, using mag sulfate cream, and/or taking

glucosamine sulfate (just never take it with calcium). Here's a really good

post by Andy on this subject. It's a good one to print out and study.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

But now, after saying all of that, did you just recently do the Liver Detox

Panel by Genova (Great Smokies)? My understanding is that they now do *serum*

cysteine and sulfate, instead of *plasma* which they used to do and Andy

preferred. I believe Andy says that the new test isn't accurate/relevant? I

don't have a link handy to him posting about this, but maybe or somebody

else does. But I still don't think there is any harm in supplementing

molybdenum and sulfate to see if they help. Anyone else remember details about

this?---------Jackie

Thanks, Mark

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Jackie, from the onibasu site:

(In my case) " the pool of available sulfate is inadequate and

dietary restriction of things requiring sulfation may be helpful.

Thiol intake must be moderate, neither excessive nor low. Sulfate

needs to go in as sulfate. "

What foods require sulfation? Sulphur foods? And what foods have thiols?

Thanks, Mark

I guess mag and glucosamine sulfate can be taken?

Thanks, Mark

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In frequent-dose-chelation alexseeold wrote:

Jackie, from the onibasu site:

--------So others can find it: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

(In my case) -----so you are normal cysteine and low sulfate?

" the pool of available sulfate is inadequate and

dietary restriction of things requiring sulfation may be helpful.

---------So Andy is saying that you are low in sulfate, so restricting things

that use sulfate will help to not deplete it more.---------Jackie

Thiol intake must be moderate, neither excessive nor low.

----------This is referring to normal plasma cysteine levels. In this case, a

moderate intake of sulfury foods is best. So sulfur food is related to cysteine

levels, not sulfate levels. If you are high plasma cysteine, then you should

exclude sulfur foods. If you are low plasma cysteine, then you will feel better

if you eat alot of them (usually). When you are normal plasma cysteine, then

eat a moderate amount.-------Jackie

Sulfate needs to go in as sulfate. "

---------Sulfate and sulfury foods are different things. So if you are low

plasma sulfate, you need more of it, but it needs to go in as sulfate, such as

magnesium sulfate from epsom salt baths, mag sulfate cream, and in supplements

such as glucosamine sulfate, and you can take epsom salts orally, if you can

stand the taste, or put it in capsules. -----------Jackie

What foods require sulfation? Sulphur foods? And what foods have thiols?

------------Foods high in salycilates and phenols require sulfation, and other

things found in the Feingold diet. Andy mentions this on page 195 of AI. I got

a list of them from too. Maybe if I get time, I will type them

up sometime, and ask if we can put it in a file. It includes many

artificial food colorings and flavors and preservatives, many fruits, aspirin,

coffee, tea, wine, tomatoes, etc.

Sulfur foods are not on this list, so they evidentally don't require

sulfation. Andy talks about sulfur foods on pages 195-196 of AI. Sulfur foods

have to do with cysteine levels, not sulfate levels. And sulfur foods *are*

foods that contain thiols, so those terms are interchangeable, and Andy explains

it on page 195.

Wow, I think I finally got this well enough to explain it :) Hopefully this

made some sense.-----------Jackie

Thanks, Mark

I guess mag and glucosamine sulfate can be taken?

-----------Yes, magnesium is very important for most all of us toxic folks,

and I don't believe it has anything to do with your plasma cysteine and sulfate

levels. It just comes up because it is part of the magnesium sulfate in epsom

salts. So epsom salt baths are good for two reasons, you get magnesium and

sulfate.

And yes when you are low sulfate, then taking glucosamine sulfate can help

raise your sulfate levels too. Just remember to never take it with calcium

supplements. Andy talks about this in AI, I don't have the page number right

now.--------Jackie

Thanks, Mark

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Jackie, I am cysteine 0.66 ref range for normal is 0.61 to 1.16, and

sulphate is 2.7 ref range for normal is 3.0 to 5.9.

What I want to know is exactly what sulfation does and why it is so

important in comparison to the other three phase 2 actions:

glutathione & glycine conjugation and glucuronidation?

Mark

>

> Jackie, from the onibasu site:

>

> --------So others can find it:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

>

> (In my case) -----so you are normal cysteine and low sulfate?

>

> " the pool of available sulfate is inadequate and

> dietary restriction of things requiring sulfation may be helpful.

>

> ---------So Andy is saying that you are low in sulfate, so

restricting things that use sulfate will help to not deplete it more.-

--------Jackie

>

>

> Thiol intake must be moderate, neither excessive nor low.

>

> ----------This is referring to normal plasma cysteine levels. In

this case, a moderate intake of sulfury foods is best. So sulfur

food is related to cysteine levels, not sulfate levels. If you are

high plasma cysteine, then you should exclude sulfur foods. If you

are low plasma cysteine, then you will feel better if you eat alot of

them (usually). When you are normal plasma cysteine, then eat a

moderate amount.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> Sulfate needs to go in as sulfate. "

>

> ---------Sulfate and sulfury foods are different things. So if

you are low plasma sulfate, you need more of it, but it needs to go

in as sulfate, such as magnesium sulfate from epsom salt baths, mag

sulfate cream, and in supplements such as glucosamine sulfate, and

you can take epsom salts orally, if you can stand the taste, or put

it in capsules. -----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

> What foods require sulfation? Sulphur foods? And what foods have

thiols?

>

> ------------Foods high in salycilates and phenols require

sulfation, and other things found in the Feingold diet. Andy

mentions this on page 195 of AI. I got a list of them from

too. Maybe if I get time, I will type them up sometime, and

ask if we can put it in a file. It includes many artificial

food colorings and flavors and preservatives, many fruits, aspirin,

coffee, tea, wine, tomatoes, etc.

>

> Sulfur foods are not on this list, so they evidentally don't

require sulfation. Andy talks about sulfur foods on pages 195-196 of

AI. Sulfur foods have to do with cysteine levels, not sulfate

levels. And sulfur foods *are* foods that contain thiols, so those

terms are interchangeable, and Andy explains it on page 195.

>

> Wow, I think I finally got this well enough to explain it :)

Hopefully this made some sense.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

> I guess mag and glucosamine sulfate can be taken?

>

> -----------Yes, magnesium is very important for most all of us

toxic folks, and I don't believe it has anything to do with your

plasma cysteine and sulfate levels. It just comes up because it is

part of the magnesium sulfate in epsom salts. So epsom salt baths

are good for two reasons, you get magnesium and sulfate.

>

> And yes when you are low sulfate, then taking glucosamine sulfate

can help raise your sulfate levels too. Just remember to never take

it with calcium supplements. Andy talks about this in AI, I don't

have the page number right now.--------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Jackie, I am cysteine 0.66 ref range for normal is 0.61 to 1.16, and

sulphate is 2.7 ref range for normal is 3.0 to 5.9.

What I want to know is exactly what sulfation does and why it is so

important in comparison to the other three phase 2 actions:

glutathione & glycine conjugation and glucuronidation?

Mark

>

> Jackie, from the onibasu site:

>

> --------So others can find it:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

>

> (In my case) -----so you are normal cysteine and low sulfate?

>

> " the pool of available sulfate is inadequate and

> dietary restriction of things requiring sulfation may be helpful.

>

> ---------So Andy is saying that you are low in sulfate, so

restricting things that use sulfate will help to not deplete it more.-

--------Jackie

>

>

> Thiol intake must be moderate, neither excessive nor low.

>

> ----------This is referring to normal plasma cysteine levels. In

this case, a moderate intake of sulfury foods is best. So sulfur

food is related to cysteine levels, not sulfate levels. If you are

high plasma cysteine, then you should exclude sulfur foods. If you

are low plasma cysteine, then you will feel better if you eat alot of

them (usually). When you are normal plasma cysteine, then eat a

moderate amount.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> Sulfate needs to go in as sulfate. "

>

> ---------Sulfate and sulfury foods are different things. So if

you are low plasma sulfate, you need more of it, but it needs to go

in as sulfate, such as magnesium sulfate from epsom salt baths, mag

sulfate cream, and in supplements such as glucosamine sulfate, and

you can take epsom salts orally, if you can stand the taste, or put

it in capsules. -----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

> What foods require sulfation? Sulphur foods? And what foods have

thiols?

>

> ------------Foods high in salycilates and phenols require

sulfation, and other things found in the Feingold diet. Andy

mentions this on page 195 of AI. I got a list of them from

too. Maybe if I get time, I will type them up sometime, and

ask if we can put it in a file. It includes many artificial

food colorings and flavors and preservatives, many fruits, aspirin,

coffee, tea, wine, tomatoes, etc.

>

> Sulfur foods are not on this list, so they evidentally don't

require sulfation. Andy talks about sulfur foods on pages 195-196 of

AI. Sulfur foods have to do with cysteine levels, not sulfate

levels. And sulfur foods *are* foods that contain thiols, so those

terms are interchangeable, and Andy explains it on page 195.

>

> Wow, I think I finally got this well enough to explain it :)

Hopefully this made some sense.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

> I guess mag and glucosamine sulfate can be taken?

>

> -----------Yes, magnesium is very important for most all of us

toxic folks, and I don't believe it has anything to do with your

plasma cysteine and sulfate levels. It just comes up because it is

part of the magnesium sulfate in epsom salts. So epsom salt baths

are good for two reasons, you get magnesium and sulfate.

>

> And yes when you are low sulfate, then taking glucosamine sulfate

can help raise your sulfate levels too. Just remember to never take

it with calcium supplements. Andy talks about this in AI, I don't

have the page number right now.--------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation alexseeold wrote:

Jackie, I am cysteine 0.66 ref range for normal is 0.61 to 1.16, and

sulphate is 2.7 ref range for normal is 3.0 to 5.9.

What I want to know is exactly what sulfation does and why it is so

important in comparison to the other three phase 2 actions:

glutathione & glycine conjugation and glucuronidation?

-----------I am certainly not a liver pathway expert, so I suggest you do some

more reading on this yourself, in AI pages 40-43 and 110-111, and also this link

that is in the Links section of this group.

http://www.tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html

The liver processes everything we take in, food and drugs, etc., and converts

them into things/forms that can be excreted. Per Andy, page 40 of AI, " The

liver converts all the millions of different poisonous things in the food we eat

into a few chemicals the body likes. " So different foods/chemicals are

processed by different liver pathways, sulfation being one of them. On page 110

of AI, Andy says, " The sulfate pathway in particular can be overloaded.

Acetaminophen depletes sulfate, and the Feingold diet controls dietary materials

requiring sulfation. " So sulfation processes certain foods and chemicals into

forms that can be excreted, and if you are low in sulfate, then this process is

slowed down and/or backed up, causing problems. I don't know that it is any

more important than the other phase 2 pathways, just maybe that it occurs more

frequently in mercury toxic people. And Andy has always talked alot about

plasma cysteine and sulfate levels, so it either happens frequently, and/or is

just one of the things that can have a great impact on how you feel.

You can certainly have problems in other phase 2 pathways, and trying to

correct them would be important also. See the chart on page 43 of AI for

supplement suggestions, and again, read the section on Liver Metabolism on pages

110-111. I hope this helps.-----------Jackie

Mark

>

> Jackie, from the onibasu site:

>

> --------So others can find it:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57707.html

>

> (In my case) -----so you are normal cysteine and low sulfate?

>

> " the pool of available sulfate is inadequate and

> dietary restriction of things requiring sulfation may be helpful.

>

> ---------So Andy is saying that you are low in sulfate, so

restricting things that use sulfate will help to not deplete it more.-

--------Jackie

>

>

> Thiol intake must be moderate, neither excessive nor low.

>

> ----------This is referring to normal plasma cysteine levels. In

this case, a moderate intake of sulfury foods is best. So sulfur

food is related to cysteine levels, not sulfate levels. If you are

high plasma cysteine, then you should exclude sulfur foods. If you

are low plasma cysteine, then you will feel better if you eat alot of

them (usually). When you are normal plasma cysteine, then eat a

moderate amount.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> Sulfate needs to go in as sulfate. "

>

> ---------Sulfate and sulfury foods are different things. So if

you are low plasma sulfate, you need more of it, but it needs to go

in as sulfate, such as magnesium sulfate from epsom salt baths, mag

sulfate cream, and in supplements such as glucosamine sulfate, and

you can take epsom salts orally, if you can stand the taste, or put

it in capsules. -----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

> What foods require sulfation? Sulphur foods? And what foods have

thiols?

>

> ------------Foods high in salycilates and phenols require

sulfation, and other things found in the Feingold diet. Andy

mentions this on page 195 of AI. I got a list of them from

too. Maybe if I get time, I will type them up sometime, and

ask if we can put it in a file. It includes many artificial

food colorings and flavors and preservatives, many fruits, aspirin,

coffee, tea, wine, tomatoes, etc.

>

> Sulfur foods are not on this list, so they evidentally don't

require sulfation. Andy talks about sulfur foods on pages 195-196 of

AI. Sulfur foods have to do with cysteine levels, not sulfate

levels. And sulfur foods *are* foods that contain thiols, so those

terms are interchangeable, and Andy explains it on page 195.

>

> Wow, I think I finally got this well enough to explain it :)

Hopefully this made some sense.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

> I guess mag and glucosamine sulfate can be taken?

>

> -----------Yes, magnesium is very important for most all of us

toxic folks, and I don't believe it has anything to do with your

plasma cysteine and sulfate levels. It just comes up because it is

part of the magnesium sulfate in epsom salts. So epsom salt baths

are good for two reasons, you get magnesium and sulfate.

>

> And yes when you are low sulfate, then taking glucosamine sulfate

can help raise your sulfate levels too. Just remember to never take

it with calcium supplements. Andy talks about this in AI, I don't

have the page number right now.--------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Mark

>

>

>

>

>

>

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