Re: stomach pains from supplements

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In frequent-dose-chelation jennifer.robinsong wrote:

Hi.

For the past week, I've had my dear husband started on supplements. I went

based on per-pound dosages Andy described in other posts (onibasu).

----------I believe most of the per-pound dosage recommendations are for

children. You should probably be following the adults dosages in AI, starting

on page 133. Could you provide us the links to the posts you are referring

to?------Jackie

He just got all his fillings out 5 days ago. He's been on Natren Healthy

Trinity Probiotics (one capsule every morning) for the past month, as prep for

his very sensetive stomach, before starting the supplementation.

---------Probiotics are good. How many billion CFU's is he getting and of

what strains?----------Jackie

For the past couple days, he tells me he gets mild stomach pain after each

time taking the supplements. It lasts about an hour. It makes him not want to

take them, but he does anyway. I need to find out what's causing this. One

particular supplement? A particular brand? Taking so many at once?

----------Is he taking these with meals? Does he take any digestive aids,

like Betaine HCl and/or enzymes? If you started alot of new supplements all at

once, it will be hard to find out what the culprit is. You may need to stop

them all and add them in one at a time to determine what is causing the

problem.-------Jackie

He also says for the past 3 days, he's had diarreah. I think that must be from

the Magnesium, right? I'm guessing he's getting more than he needs, exceeding

bowel tolerance, right?

------------That is very possible. Again, you'll probably need to stop this,

and add it back at a lower dose and build up gradually.---------Jackie

Here's his daily dosage. Keep in mind that, starting on 3/25, I started him

with loading doses of these things, like I read in an Andy post. It said the

loading dose to take the mineral daily doses 4 times a day for one week, after

which you go to just one daily dose a day (instead of 4 times per day). For

example: his dosage-per-pound of Zinc is 100mg/day. That means his loading dose

for 7 days is 100mg, four times per day. Then it'll be no more than 100mg of

Zinc per day (spread out, though).

-----------I would really like to see the link to that post. There aren't

many things I recall him suggesting doing a loading dose for. And many people

need to build up there dosage slowly, not start out with a huge dose, too big of

a shock to the system, and many times not tolerated well. This may be why your

husband is having problems.----------Jackie

I don't think it's his Vitamin C, CLO, milk thistle, or probiotics, because he

was already taking those without stomach pains before I started him on the

following in loading doses:

-----------If he was already taking it, it's probably not the problem, but Vit

C can cause diahrrea is the dose is high enough (usually takes alot)-----Jackie

-B50: 3 or 4 times per day.

---------This is fine, even on a continuous basis.-------Jackie

-Zinc: 100mg x 4 times per day.

-Vitamin E: 800 mg x 4 times per day.

-Mixed Carotenes: 1 pill x 4 times per day.

-Selenium: 330 mcg x 4 times per day.

-Molybdenum: 860 mcg x 4 times per day.

-Magnesium: 1720 mg, SPREAD OUT through the day (8 200 mg tablets of Magnesium

Citrate per day. Maybe 3 for breakfast, 3 for lunch and 2 for dinner).

-------------I do not believe that you should be giving these large *loading

doses* of the above items. I would STOP THIS NOW, especially the SELENIUM.

Andy says it can be toxic not far above regular doses. That much magnesium is

probably causing his diahrrea. You really need to provide the link to the

messages you are getting this information from. I just don't remember this

being recommended.---------Jackie

Please let me know what you think. I've already backed this off to 3 doses per

day of most of this stuff, instead of 4 per day, since it's bothering him. But

even so, it hurts his stomach.

Advice?

---------Stop everything for now. Slowly add them back in one at a time, and

try to identify which ones are causing problems. Or it may have been the large

doses, but you won't know until you add them back one at a time and in

appropriate dosages. Please read the supplement suggestions in AI, starting on

page 133.----------Jackie

Abrenica

[Guest guest]

I agree with Jackie. I don't know the posts you are referring

to that suggest that dosing, but I would not do it that way.

I suspect zinc is most likely the cause of the stomach problems.

That is a HUGE amount of zinc, even for a mercury toxic person.

And yes, the magnesium would most likely be the cause of loose

stools.

I would stop all of the supplements and add them back one at a

time in lower doses.

--

>

> Hi.

>

> For the past week, I've had my dear husband started on supplements.

I went based on

> per-pound dosages Andy described in other posts (onibasu). He just

got all his fillings out

> 5 days ago. He's been on Natren Healthy Trinity Probiotics (one

capsule every morning) for

> the past month, as prep for his very sensetive stomach, before

starting the

> supplementation.

>

> For the past couple days, he tells me he gets mild stomach pain

after each time taking the

> supplements. It lasts about an hour. It makes him not want to take

them, but he does

> anyway. I need to find out what's causing this. One particular

supplement? A particular

> brand? Taking so many at once?

>

> He also says for the past 3 days, he's had diarreah. I think that

must be from the

> Magnesium, right? I'm guessing he's getting more than he needs,

exceeding bowel

> tolerance, right?

>

> Here's his daily dosage. Keep in mind that, starting on 3/25, I

started him with loading

> doses of these things, like I read in an Andy post. It said the

loading dose to take the

> mineral daily doses 4 times a day for one week, after which you go

to just one daily dose a

> day (instead of 4 times per day). For example: his dosage-per-pound

of Zinc is

> 100mg/day. That means his loading dose for 7 days is 100mg, four

times per day. Then

> it'll be no more than 100mg of Zinc per day (spread out, though).

>

> I don't think it's his Vitamin C, CLO, milk thistle, or probiotics,

because he was already

> taking those without stomach pains before I started him on the

following in loading

> doses:

> -B50: 3 or 4 times per day.

> -Zinc: 100mg x 4 times per day.

> -Vitamin E: 800 mg x 4 times per day.

> -Mixed Carotenes: 1 pill x 4 times per day.

> -Selenium: 330 mcg x 4 times per day.

> -Molybdenum: 860 mcg x 4 times per day.

> -Magnesium: 1720 mg, SPREAD OUT through the day (8 200 mg tablets of

Magnesium Citrate per day. Maybe 3 for breakfast, 3 for lunch and 2

for dinner).

>

> Please let me know what you think. I've already backed this off to 3

doses per day of most

> of this stuff, instead of 4 per day, since it's bothering him. But

even so, it hurts his

> stomach.

>

> Advice?

>

> Abrenica

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Jackie and . You really need to stop all

supplements and start back at the very beginning adding **one at at

time**, **increasing doses gradually**, watching for any reactions,

and **not going above the adult dosages given in " Amalgam Illness " .

Loading dose is for flax oil, not for all supplements. Not everyone

can tolerate loading doses of flax oil.

The adult doses of supplements are given in " Amalgam Illness " .

Usually supplement doses given by weight are meant for children.

The doses of most things that you are using (below) are way too high.

J

>

> Hi.

>

> For the past week, I've had my dear husband started on supplements.

I went based on

> per-pound dosages Andy described in other posts (onibasu). He just

got all his fillings out

> 5 days ago. He's been on Natren Healthy Trinity Probiotics (one

capsule every morning) for

> the past month, as prep for his very sensetive stomach, before

starting the

> supplementation.

>

> For the past couple days, he tells me he gets mild stomach pain

after each time taking the

> supplements. It lasts about an hour. It makes him not want to take

them, but he does

> anyway. I need to find out what's causing this. One particular

supplement? A particular

> brand? Taking so many at once?

>

> He also says for the past 3 days, he's had diarreah. I think that

must be from the

> Magnesium, right? I'm guessing he's getting more than he needs,

exceeding bowel

> tolerance, right?

>

> Here's his daily dosage. Keep in mind that, starting on 3/25, I

started him with loading

> doses of these things, like I read in an Andy post. It said the

loading dose to take the

> mineral daily doses 4 times a day for one week, after which you go

to just one daily dose a

> day (instead of 4 times per day). For example: his dosage-per-pound

of Zinc is

> 100mg/day. That means his loading dose for 7 days is 100mg, four

times per day. Then

> it'll be no more than 100mg of Zinc per day (spread out, though).

>

> I don't think it's his Vitamin C, CLO, milk thistle, or probiotics,

because he was already

> taking those without stomach pains before I started him on the

following in loading

> doses:

> -B50: 3 or 4 times per day.

> -Zinc: 100mg x 4 times per day.

> -Vitamin E: 800 mg x 4 times per day.

> -Mixed Carotenes: 1 pill x 4 times per day.

> -Selenium: 330 mcg x 4 times per day.

> -Molybdenum: 860 mcg x 4 times per day.

> -Magnesium: 1720 mg, SPREAD OUT through the day (8 200 mg tablets of

Magnesium Citrate per day. Maybe 3 for breakfast, 3 for lunch and 2

for dinner).

>

> Please let me know what you think. I've already backed this off to 3

doses per day of most

> of this stuff, instead of 4 per day, since it's bothering him. But

even so, it hurts his

> stomach.

>

> Advice?

>

> Abrenica

>