Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Darren, Sorry I missed this, I am behind on reading posts. Replies below. > > Thanks for the follow-up, . I reviewed some of those pages > in AI... > > If I understand correctly, then, the pre/post exercise ACTH test is > diagnostic for secondary adrenal insufficiency (where the pituitary > and/or hypothalamus are the root of the problem). The ACTH > stimulation test, on the other hand, would be used to test for primary > adrenal insufficiency (e.g., when given exogenous ACTH, the adrenals > simply can't make enough cortisol). Someone could have both primary > and secondary adrenal problems, of course. I think that's basically right, yes. > The only testing I've done is the saliva cortisol/DHEA panel (ZRT > labs), which showed adrenal fatigue (too high in the morning, too low > in the evening). That was 8 months ago and I'm about to run it again > (this time with 4 time points instead of just 2). But this testing > doesn't distinguish primary vs. secondary. I think some patterns might be suggestive of secondary adrenal insufficiency, but it is not always clear. > But without actually going through the more expensive and complicated > ACTH testing, I already feel pretty confident that secondary > hypoadrenia applies in my case, for two reasons. Firstly, I know that > I have the paradoxical stress response when it comes to exercise. I > had to quit basketball several years ago, then running, because I felt > worse during and especially after both of these activities. And I > discovered last summer that even a brisk walk gives me a > post-exertional flare-up of symptoms. The other reason is because of > Andy's insightful description of the effects of mercury, which I'm > convinced I'm poisoned with, on the pituitary and hypothalamus. Yes, symptoms sounds pretty consistent. > I may or may not also have primary adrenal problems. But regardless > of how well I try and nurture my adrenals themselves back to health > (with proper rest, adrenal glandulars perhaps, adrenal-friendly diet, > etc), the adrenal problems won't go away until the H and the P (of > HPA) are working well again. I know this because I've pampered my > adrenals over the past 8 months and still feel as lousy as ever, > pretty much. (Thankfully I didn't stop looking for answers after > reading 's Adrenal Fatigue book. A good book, but not the whole > story, of course.) > > So I think that supplementing cortisol (or prednisilone?) to help me > manage during the upcoming months/years of chelation is probably the > way to go. I am currently on a wimpy .5mg of HC 1x per day and it > does nothing, as expected. (I tried 5mg 1x per day several years ago > and noticed no effect then, either.) I hope to use these ZRT lab > results, once I run the test and they come back, to convince my doctor > to up the dosage. Sounds like a good idea. You may have to experiment to see what dose works for you. If you don't notice anything from 5 mg, you can try a higher dose, especially in the morning. > I believe Andy is convinced that doses under 20mg of cortisol per day > will not cause any adrenal suppression. Page 120 1st paragraph. (And > he states why this isn't even a valid concern in these cases on Page > 119, third paragraph.) Do you know if there is any medical reference > (e.g., journal article) supporting the idea that 20mg will not lead to > adrenal suppression, or that it's not really a concern anyway if the > patient is already adrenally suppressed? That might be helpful to > show a doctor. Someone already pointed you to The Safe Uses of Cortisol, which is what I would suggest. -- > Thanks!!! > Darren > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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