Re: MELATONIN ,USE?--Insomnia tips

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link and all the useful tips DeanSA. and DeanSA, would it

be ok to have a link to this site of Dean's in the Files or Links section? I

checked and there isn't one for insomnia.---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

> Does anyone have any other tips for insomnia?

>

Here some extra tips for insomnia and sleep problems. I find a combination

works well.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/insomnia.html

The most effective combination for me is an Epsom salts bath, 6 capsules of

ornithine, and some tryptophan if I wake at night. Also, protein before bed

does the trick.

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link and all the useful tips DeanSA. and DeanSA, would it

be ok to have a link to this site of Dean's in the Files or Links section? I

checked and there isn't one for insomnia.---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

> Does anyone have any other tips for insomnia?

>

Here some extra tips for insomnia and sleep problems. I find a combination

works well.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/insomnia.html

The most effective combination for me is an Epsom salts bath, 6 capsules of

ornithine, and some tryptophan if I wake at night. Also, protein before bed

does the trick.

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I'm not the typical adrenal case. I actually have high blood sugar, not low.

So I don't seem to get these dips in the middle of the night. Once I get to

sleep, I usually sleep well. I'm just more prone to being a nightowl and

staying up late. If I can sleep in in the morning, it's really not a problem.

And my pattern doesn't stay consistent. I go through different spells of

falling asleep and waking at different times. It just seems my circadian rhythm

is messed up. So I'm not really sure if you'd classify it as insomnia or not.

I have tried this and that, including melatonin off and on, and that's probably

my problem, that I haven't stuck with a night time routine long enough. And I

kind of like being up late, so it's a hard habit to break Anyway, thanks for

all the great tips, sounds like you have a great routine!---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation nhdougsimmons wrote:

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I'm not the typical adrenal case. I actually have high blood sugar, not low.

So I don't seem to get these dips in the middle of the night. Once I get to

sleep, I usually sleep well. I'm just more prone to being a nightowl and

staying up late. If I can sleep in in the morning, it's really not a problem.

And my pattern doesn't stay consistent. I go through different spells of

falling asleep and waking at different times. It just seems my circadian rhythm

is messed up. So I'm not really sure if you'd classify it as insomnia or not.

I have tried this and that, including melatonin off and on, and that's probably

my problem, that I haven't stuck with a night time routine long enough. And I

kind of like being up late, so it's a hard habit to break Anyway, thanks for

all the great tips, sounds like you have a great routine!---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation nhdougsimmons wrote:

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I'm not the typical adrenal case. I actually have high blood sugar, not low.

So I don't seem to get these dips in the middle of the night. Once I get to

sleep, I usually sleep well. I'm just more prone to being a nightowl and

staying up late. If I can sleep in in the morning, it's really not a problem.

And my pattern doesn't stay consistent. I go through different spells of

falling asleep and waking at different times. It just seems my circadian rhythm

is messed up. So I'm not really sure if you'd classify it as insomnia or not.

I have tried this and that, including melatonin off and on, and that's probably

my problem, that I haven't stuck with a night time routine long enough. And I

kind of like being up late, so it's a hard habit to break Anyway, thanks for

all the great tips, sounds like you have a great routine!---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation nhdougsimmons wrote:

Jackie,

If your trouble sleeping is related to adrenal and blood sugar

problems then you wake up like clockwork, often abruptly around

2:00-3:00 AM (that's assumming you can fall asleep at all). If it is

adrenal related then eating a small amount of protein/fat just before

bedtime might work for you - it has worked for me. The 2:30 wake up

call is a sudden drop in blood sugar. The protein and fat in your

tummy at ten will help smooth out the blood sugar dip at 2:30. I down

my mineral supplements and 500 mg pantothenic acid with my whole wheat

cracker and almond butter.

Doug

[Guest guest]

- It just seems my circadian rhythm is messed up. So I'm not really

sure if you'd classify it as insomnia or not.

And I kind of like being up late, so it's a hard habit to break

>

About circadian rhythms, this can actually be related to the adrenal

cascade being disrupted by Hg in the HPA (hypothalmus/pituitary axis).

Though no longer acutely the case, even when I was up at 6 AM I would

wake up stiff and mentally sluggish and not hit my stride until late

afternoon. Then 3-4 times a month, I would end up self medicating

with caffeine sometime late in the day and stay up till dawn, pull an

all-nighter. The next night I would be so tired I would get to sleep

" early " , like 10 PM and this would reset my clock a bit. As with many

HG intoxicated people my cortisol rhythms were reversed and adrenal

reserve was poor. So supplementing with Hydrocortisone upon waking

helped me with energy and helped me get started with the sun and go to

bed tired after dark. Melatonin suppresses cortisol, so this may not

be the best thing for a person with blood sugar issues, high or low,

as cortisol is intimately related to pancreatic function and blood

sugar regulation. My experience with melatonin is that it

enhances/amplifies my dream state. I am using a potent form of

Liposomal melatonin and even at a dose of maybe .5 milligram, this has

been enough, lately, to suppress cortisol a bit and aggravate adrenal

problems.

I note as well in my reading that Vitamin D3 enhances body processes

that utilize melatonin, and I have been recently adding D3 to my

regimen. In short, what has worked for me, is to take very, very

small amounts of melatonin early in the evening (not when I'm just

about to turn in).

Also if a busy mind and anxiety is part of my sleeplessness I use the

typical herb tea sleep aid and sometimes add .5ml (4-5 drops)of an

herbal tincture Phytocalm, recommended by my MD. This is as close as

I have ever come to taking a prescription sleep med.

[Guest guest]

I've seen some adrenally fatigued people on another group have slept

better with Calm Forte by Hyland. It's a homeopathic mix. iherb seems

to have a few Hyland products for insomnia:

http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1&kw=hyland+insomnia

Jay