Re: Report on Rounds 3 and 4 DMSA

[Guest guest]

HI there,

I totally understand your frustrations on having to explain things.

I just dont explain, most people have no idea that I am chelating only

a handful of people. I too experience pretty bad depression on the

day after stopping the round and for a few hrs the following day. I am

taking my st john wort tea 2-3 times a day, gaba and magnesium and I

just added epson salt baths on the day after the chelating round. I I

am deciding whether to go down to 6 mg now, tomorrow will be the

deciding day, I might be able to handle 12 mg like I have been doing

for 1 1/2 months, 3 day on 4 days off. Ill see this week. I just

wanted to wish you well and def go a lit slower that might help. Take

somethign for the depression , Andy recommends several things and if

you find something that works well, come back and share the news.

Good luck. VIvian

>

> Staying steady at 25mg DMSA every 4 hours. Round 3 was really short -

> in the middle of the second night the (rather quiet) alarm I was

> using failed to wake me, so that ended that. I felt good on round,

> good on the two days off, and good when I went on to Round 4. I

> hoped to stay on round for a full week and do the week on/week off

> Andy recommends in AI. And indeed, with a louder alarm, I made it

> all the way.

>

> The round ended on Sunday, and I feel fine now on Wed evening, but it

> was not a smooth journey from there to here. I felt quite stoned on

> Sunday night. I find it quite fun, so I don't mind that. But on

> Monday, I just started to feel like crap. Random aches in my body.

> Depression. I went to bed on Monday night, expecting it to all be

> surely over by Tuesday...?

>

> On Tuesday morning I felt kinda out of it. I set off for work

> anyway, and on the bus I had a " moment " . I was staring out the

> window, and suddenly got this feeling that I was in a dream. I looked

> around and the people around me didn't seem real. They felt like

> dream characters that I had conjured up.

>

> I got really scared. " I'm awake and having a dream on the bus, " I

> thought " Oh crap. Mercury is probably entering my brain at this very

> second. "

>

> I felt fine by the time I got to my destination and did my day of

> work, but last night I had an intense nightmare, similar in quality

> to the kind I had when I had my amalgams out and my dentist had me on

> garlic capsules and chlorella. Felt very depressed this morning.

> Saw my shrink and cried and cried. Had to forbid her attempts to

> relate my feeling awful to events in my childhood. This is MERCURY.

> This is happening NOW. It's REAL.

>

> I guess I'm struggling with people around me not taking this

> seriously. That it's not something I conjured up by starting to

> chelate. The dump phase was weeks of soul-grinding depression and a

> continuous yeast infection. Starting to chelate got me out of that

> hole. And yet whenever I bring it up around my girlfriend, she

> always brings it back to, " Well, it's not that bad, really. " And

> other people have no idea about mercury toxicity and I just find

> myself giving mini-educational lectures instead of getting the

> sympathy that a simple statement like " I've got the flu " would get.

> It sucks.

>

> Anyway, I guess 7 days on is too many for my poor body, and I'll

> scale back to 3 or 4 next round. Any other advice/sympathy would be

> appreciated. Any tricks to minimise distress during a redistribution

> event? I went for a sweat and massage at the Russian Baths today,

> seemed to help, maybe I just needed the pampering.

>

[Guest guest]

HI there,

I totally understand your frustrations on having to explain things.

I just dont explain, most people have no idea that I am chelating only

a handful of people. I too experience pretty bad depression on the

day after stopping the round and for a few hrs the following day. I am

taking my st john wort tea 2-3 times a day, gaba and magnesium and I

just added epson salt baths on the day after the chelating round. I I

am deciding whether to go down to 6 mg now, tomorrow will be the

deciding day, I might be able to handle 12 mg like I have been doing

for 1 1/2 months, 3 day on 4 days off. Ill see this week. I just

wanted to wish you well and def go a lit slower that might help. Take

somethign for the depression , Andy recommends several things and if

you find something that works well, come back and share the news.

Good luck. VIvian

>

> Staying steady at 25mg DMSA every 4 hours. Round 3 was really short -

> in the middle of the second night the (rather quiet) alarm I was

> using failed to wake me, so that ended that. I felt good on round,

> good on the two days off, and good when I went on to Round 4. I

> hoped to stay on round for a full week and do the week on/week off

> Andy recommends in AI. And indeed, with a louder alarm, I made it

> all the way.

>

> The round ended on Sunday, and I feel fine now on Wed evening, but it

> was not a smooth journey from there to here. I felt quite stoned on

> Sunday night. I find it quite fun, so I don't mind that. But on

> Monday, I just started to feel like crap. Random aches in my body.

> Depression. I went to bed on Monday night, expecting it to all be

> surely over by Tuesday...?

>

> On Tuesday morning I felt kinda out of it. I set off for work

> anyway, and on the bus I had a " moment " . I was staring out the

> window, and suddenly got this feeling that I was in a dream. I looked

> around and the people around me didn't seem real. They felt like

> dream characters that I had conjured up.

>

> I got really scared. " I'm awake and having a dream on the bus, " I

> thought " Oh crap. Mercury is probably entering my brain at this very

> second. "

>

> I felt fine by the time I got to my destination and did my day of

> work, but last night I had an intense nightmare, similar in quality

> to the kind I had when I had my amalgams out and my dentist had me on

> garlic capsules and chlorella. Felt very depressed this morning.

> Saw my shrink and cried and cried. Had to forbid her attempts to

> relate my feeling awful to events in my childhood. This is MERCURY.

> This is happening NOW. It's REAL.

>

> I guess I'm struggling with people around me not taking this

> seriously. That it's not something I conjured up by starting to

> chelate. The dump phase was weeks of soul-grinding depression and a

> continuous yeast infection. Starting to chelate got me out of that

> hole. And yet whenever I bring it up around my girlfriend, she

> always brings it back to, " Well, it's not that bad, really. " And

> other people have no idea about mercury toxicity and I just find

> myself giving mini-educational lectures instead of getting the

> sympathy that a simple statement like " I've got the flu " would get.

> It sucks.

>

> Anyway, I guess 7 days on is too many for my poor body, and I'll

> scale back to 3 or 4 next round. Any other advice/sympathy would be

> appreciated. Any tricks to minimise distress during a redistribution

> event? I went for a sweat and massage at the Russian Baths today,

> seemed to help, maybe I just needed the pampering.

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Aine wrote:

Staying steady at 25mg DMSA every 4 hours. Round 3 was really short -

in the middle of the second night the (rather quiet) alarm I was

using failed to wake me, so that ended that. I felt good on round,

good on the two days off, and good when I went on to Round 4. I

hoped to stay on round for a full week and do the week on/week off

Andy recommends in AI. And indeed, with a louder alarm, I made it

all the way.

The round ended on Sunday, and I feel fine now on Wed evening, but it

was not a smooth journey from there to here. I felt quite stoned on

Sunday night. I find it quite fun, so I don't mind that. But on

Monday, I just started to feel like crap. Random aches in my body.

Depression. I went to bed on Monday night, expecting it to all be

surely over by Tuesday...?

On Tuesday morning I felt kinda out of it. I set off for work

anyway, and on the bus I had a " moment " . I was staring out the

window, and suddenly got this feeling that I was in a dream. I looked

around and the people around me didn't seem real. They felt like

dream characters that I had conjured up.

I got really scared. " I'm awake and having a dream on the bus, " I

thought " Oh crap. Mercury is probably entering my brain at this very

second. "

I felt fine by the time I got to my destination and did my day of

work, but last night I had an intense nightmare, similar in quality

to the kind I had when I had my amalgams out and my dentist had me on

garlic capsules and chlorella. Felt very depressed this morning.

Saw my shrink and cried and cried. Had to forbid her attempts to

relate my feeling awful to events in my childhood. This is MERCURY.

This is happening NOW. It's REAL.

I guess I'm struggling with people around me not taking this

seriously. That it's not something I conjured up by starting to

chelate. The dump phase was weeks of soul-grinding depression and a

continuous yeast infection. Starting to chelate got me out of that

hole. And yet whenever I bring it up around my girlfriend, she

always brings it back to, " Well, it's not that bad, really. " And

other people have no idea about mercury toxicity and I just find

myself giving mini-educational lectures instead of getting the

sympathy that a simple statement like " I've got the flu " would get.

It sucks.

--------I know it sucks. I don't think anybody can really understand what

we're going through. I have told my sister that it would be easier to tell

people I had cancer, and then they would be alot more sympathetic and

understanding. They really don't get it, how hard this is. Andy does say in

his book that, " the patient is much sicker than they appear " . That's why these

groups are so great, because you have people here who understand. We're here

for you.----------Jackie

Anyway, I guess 7 days on is too many for my poor body, and I'll

scale back to 3 or 4 next round.

-----------I have done many 7 day rounds in the past, but then it seems like I

would get sick alot also. So it was probably too much for me too. Shorter

rounds might be less stressful on your body. But it doesn't hurt to experiment

with round length, because you'll never know until you try.--------Jackie

Any other advice/sympathy would be

appreciated. Any tricks to minimise distress during a redistribution

event? I went for a sweat and massage at the Russian Baths today,

seemed to help, maybe I just needed the pampering.

----------Good for you to pamper yourself, and glad it helped.---------Jackie

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[Guest guest]

I can totally relate to your experiences, especially the depression

part. The 2 days following a round have me on the edge of tears, and

indeed I do pour tears at the slightest emotional thing, whether it

be a thought, a song, a memory, or an event.

Each round has been so different. One was great. One was horrid. The

others mixed. But the depression afterward is always there and

weighs a ton.

Have tried lots of things for the depression. Many meds. Many

supplements. Of them all, what works the best for me is one of the

things Andy suggested...high dose folate. SAMe works good too, at

just 200mg to 400mg. SAMe starts to work day 1 and gets better each

day. Folate took about 4 days to kick in. Unfortunately my left leg

calf is highly prone to severe stiffness and pain, almost a cramping

paralysis thing, and any of the B vitamins including folate or SAMe

act as triggers to dramatically worsen it. Weird. Haven't figured

that one out, and why it is confined mostly to the left calf. In any

event, my experience says folate or SAMe work good and fast. St

s Wort always gives me a nice lift about day 3, even at a

miniscule dose, but then fades and doesn't seem to do much at any

dose after that. I don't think I ever stuck with it long enough. I

will try it again, except next time I will stay at the very low dose

that works initially and stay there instead of being in a hurry to

get up to supposed therapeutic doses. I notice at various forums

that it is not unusual for people to do very well with very tiny

doses of meds or herbs and worse with the recommended doses. At

sjwinfo.org, a st johns wort forum, it is not uncommon for people to

wait 8 to 12 weeks for a response on sjw. Anyway, yeah, the

depression is a heavy beast to deal with.

I don't bother explaining to anyone. Not even family members. Except

for the alarm clock in the middle of the night, they have no idea

whether I'm on a round or not. They do not understand the whole

mercury sickness thing. My dad is a retired doctor and poo-poos the

whole idea. Mainstream medicine is so far behind the curve. Not to

mention the general public. I keep it to myself. If anyone is

interested during a conversation, or if I sense someone is in

trouble and needs some guidance, then I will open up and explain all

the mercury issues to them. But they have to show interest or need

first. I would love to talk more about it. It is therapeutic. Two

people at my church have had amalgams out and are dealing with all

the candida, gut, and adrenal issues, but I am the only one of us

actually stepping forward to do the chelation part. They are always

very interested in the rounds, the doses, the side effects, the

improvements, etc.

Just know, you aren't alone.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, everyone for the support. It really means a lot to pour

out all the distress and be heard. Chelation would be a very lonely

road without you.

And, yup, I get the cramping thing too with the B vitamins and, nope,

I don't know what it is either. When I went gluten free I read that

it was a good idea to take a B complex. So I did, and got the most

monstrous headache/cramping thing going on in the left side of my

neck. It went away as soon as I stopped taking it. As for the left

side only, if I have something going wrong, an ache whatever, its

pretty much guaranteed to come out only on the left side. I used to

joke with a friend that I had a disease called Left. For what it's

worth, (and put a big O/T on this one) I read somewhere else that

people who are Magnesium deficient get problems on the left side, and

people who are Calcium deficient get problems on the right side. I

don't know if that's hoo-doo made up nonsense, but who can argue with

taking a little more Magnesium?

> Have tried lots of things for the depression. Many meds. Many

> supplements. Of them all, what works the best for me is one of the

> things Andy suggested...high dose folate. SAMe works good too, at

> just 200mg to 400mg. SAMe starts to work day 1 and gets better each

> day. Folate took about 4 days to kick in. Unfortunately my left leg

> calf is highly prone to severe stiffness and pain, almost a

cramping

> paralysis thing, and any of the B vitamins including folate or SAMe

> act as triggers to dramatically worsen it. Weird. Haven't figured

> that one out, and why it is confined mostly to the left calf. In

any

> event, my experience says folate or SAMe work good and fast. St

> s Wort always gives me a nice lift about day 3, even at a

> miniscule dose, but then fades and doesn't seem to do much at any

> dose after that. I don't think I ever stuck with it long enough. I

> will try it again, except next time I will stay at the very low

dose

> that works initially and stay there instead of being in a hurry to

> get up to supposed therapeutic doses. I notice at various forums

> that it is not unusual for people to do very well with very tiny

> doses of meds or herbs and worse with the recommended doses. At

> sjwinfo.org, a st johns wort forum, it is not uncommon for people

to

> wait 8 to 12 weeks for a response on sjw. Anyway, yeah, the

> depression is a heavy beast to deal with.

>