Re: Anyone want to look at some thyroid scores?

[Guest guest]

,

The simplest thing to try would be increasing your doses of

tyrosine and selenium, as you are not taking much. You could

also consider adding a source of iodine.

Another option would be to try some T3. If your symptoms are

consistent with s syndrome, you could cycle the dose of

sustained release T3 up and down to correct the problems in your

thyroid system: http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com

This didn't work for me, but apparently it does for some people.

If it doesn't work, you can stay on a consistent dose of T3 and

try the cycling again later in chelation.

You could have hidden gluten remaining in your diet. I'm not

sure how significant that would be, but it's another possibility

to consider.

--

>

> Here are some of my thyroid scores this year.

>

>

> Thyroid scores, Diagnos-Techs lab, April. Before going on Armour.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 45 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .21 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO= positive

>

> Checked adrenals in July and they weren't that bad at all. Went

> gluten free based on the Total Salivary SIgA and gliadin scores.

> Went on a trial of Armour. Next test results taken while on 3/4

> grains of Armour, in August. Took Armour the morning of the test, as

> usual. Did saliva and serum within an hour of each other, Diagnos-

> Techs.

>

> SERUM:

>

> TSH = .3 (.3-3.0)

>

> fT4 = 1.3 (.8-2.0)

>

> fT3 = 1.8 ( 1.4-4.2)

>

> SALIVA:

>

> TSH = 31 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .19 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .37 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO = negative

>

> On 3/4 grains of Armour, I did not exactly feel optimal, but I could

> not raise anymore due to chest tightness, elevated pulse, etc. I was

> surprised by these test results. Why wasn't my fT3 going up in the

> range since I was Armour?

>

> As I continued gluten free, and began to treat my gut infections (too

> much yeast, too much bad bacteria, not enough good, based on a GI

> test), I felt I had to reduce my Armour because I would get symptoms

> of too much thyroid again. I eventually got down to 1/4 grain, then

> nothing.

>

> I'm currently taking 500 mg of tyrosine and 50 mcg of Selenium on an

> empty stomach upon waking, in lieu of Armour, in hopes of helping the

> thyroid pipeline. I think it's helping, somewhat. I'm not on

> Armour, and feel about the same as when I was on it.

>

> Here are my latest scores in November. I took the tyrosine and

> selenium that morning, as usual.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 60 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .25 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> Huh., I'm thinking. TSH is up. fT3 and fT4 are still (stubbornly)

> down in the range.

>

> Any ideas on why my fT3 and fT4 have remained essentially the same

> whether on zero Armour, on 3/4 grains Armour, or zero Armour plus

> tyrosine and selenium? Suggestions for getting fT3 up?

>

> BTW, I've done 65 rounds (3 days long) of chelation. We (the kids

> and I) have been taking an extended break this year for various reasons.

> I understand that one solution to my fT3 problem is to chelate,

> chelate, chelate. Anything else?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> The simplest thing to try would be increasing your doses of

> tyrosine and selenium, as you are not taking much. You could

> also consider adding a source of iodine.

I forgot to add I'm taking 110-225 mcg of iodine.

One reason I haven't increased the tyrosine and selenium is that I still get

chest tightness

and elevated pulse sometimes. I'll admit I haven't kept careful notes, so I'm

not sure if it's

the tyrosine, selenium, iodine, or something else.

The something else could be going too long without eating? I notice it mostly

at work in

the evenings. I used to be able to quickly munch on some bread and butter

during the

shift (I wait tables), but now I'm finding it's difficult to snack. Sometimes I

go from 3 pm

until 9-10 pm, when I can eat something after the shift. I really need to do a

better job of

having something handy I can eat without gluten, soy, or sugar.

Do you think going too long without eating could contribute to mild chest

tightness and

elevated pulse? It feels nearly the same as being on a little too much thyroid

med.

wrote:

> Another option would be to try some T3. If your symptoms are

> consistent with s syndrome, you could cycle the dose of

> sustained release T3 up and down to correct the problems in your

> thyroid system: http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com

Oh dear. That means going back to the MD for a rx. Not impossible, but do you

hear the

sound of my feet dragging?

wrote:

> You could have hidden gluten remaining in your diet. I'm not

> sure how significant that would be, but it's another possibility

> to consider.

Oh, I'd be so bummed. I've been SO good!

Thanks Steph, as always,

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you think going too long without eating could contribute to mild

chest tightness and

> elevated pulse? It feels nearly the same as being on a little too

much thyroid med.

I'm trying to think back...I have a vague memory that your problems

with chest tightness (or pain?) started before any thyroid treatment.

Do I remember right? So there must be an underlying problem (heart?)

exacerbated by things like low blood sugar and thyroid meds.

I would suggest reading the section in AI about heart pain and see

if any of the supplements Andy suggests for this are helpful at

reducing flareups of this symptom. More chelation is probably

what you need to get get rid of it.

Perhaps using some of these supplements will make you more tolerant

of thyroid treatment.

--

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you think going too long without eating could contribute to mild

chest tightness and

> elevated pulse? It feels nearly the same as being on a little too

much thyroid med.

I'm trying to think back...I have a vague memory that your problems

with chest tightness (or pain?) started before any thyroid treatment.

Do I remember right? So there must be an underlying problem (heart?)

exacerbated by things like low blood sugar and thyroid meds.

I would suggest reading the section in AI about heart pain and see

if any of the supplements Andy suggests for this are helpful at

reducing flareups of this symptom. More chelation is probably

what you need to get get rid of it.

Perhaps using some of these supplements will make you more tolerant

of thyroid treatment.

--

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you think going too long without eating could contribute to mild

chest tightness and

> elevated pulse? It feels nearly the same as being on a little too

much thyroid med.

I'm trying to think back...I have a vague memory that your problems

with chest tightness (or pain?) started before any thyroid treatment.

Do I remember right? So there must be an underlying problem (heart?)

exacerbated by things like low blood sugar and thyroid meds.

I would suggest reading the section in AI about heart pain and see

if any of the supplements Andy suggests for this are helpful at

reducing flareups of this symptom. More chelation is probably

what you need to get get rid of it.

Perhaps using some of these supplements will make you more tolerant

of thyroid treatment.

--

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> I'm trying to think back...I have a vague memory that your problems

> with chest tightness (or pain?) started before any thyroid treatment.

> Do I remember right? So there must be an underlying problem (heart?)

> exacerbated by things like low blood sugar and thyroid meds.

Oh, you're good! Yes, back in 2005 when I first got my amalgams out and

began to

chelate I had chest pain. I really wasn't sure whether it was reflux or

cardiac. You

suggested slippery elm. I took some supplements recommended in AI, guzzled the

SE,

and began to chelate, and it went away.

I had a CBC, Quest, in August:

Hemoglobin = 11.1 (11.7 - 15.5)

Hematocrit = 33.5 (35 - 45)

If I'm understanding this correctly, I'm anemic, and the anemia could be due to

the gluten

intolerance and damage in the gut over the years. I have read some things on

line where

chest pain and elevated pulse can be associated with anemia.

Does this seem like a reasonable possibility? I've only been GF since mid-July.

Just

cleared that fungal infection in my gut (yay!), but I still have too much bad

bacteria.

I can be better about taking biotin, zinc, B12 and folic acid to help repair the

damage.

Okay, that's for listening!

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation mmc2315 wrote:

I had a CBC, Quest, in August:

Hemoglobin = 11.1 (11.7 - 15.5)

Hematocrit = 33.5 (35 - 45)

-------------------------------------------------------------

, have you ever had your ferritin tested? That is your body store of

iron, and being toxic can push it down very low. I had lowish numbers like you,

but when I finally got my ferritin tested, it was extremely low, only 4, when

Andy suggests between 30-70, and NTH suggests 70-90. Andy says you might need

alot of antioxidants to allow your body to bring these levels up. If you have

HTI book, read about iron in there, he explains it well.

I don't know about gluten intolerance causing this, but if it has damaged your

gut so that you're not absorbing nutrients, it certainly could contribute to

this also. I wasn't able to get my ferritin numbers up until I took plenty of

Betaine HCl with meals with a very absorbable form of iron, and I take plenty of

antioxidants. I could actually feel at one point when my body was wanting to

correct this, because I had a huge craving for red meat. My ferritin is now up

to 51. So that's all I know about this.

Jackie

------------------------------------------------------

If I'm understanding this correctly, I'm anemic, and the anemia could be due

to the gluten

intolerance and damage in the gut over the years. I have read some things on

line where

chest pain and elevated pulse can be associated with anemia.

Does this seem like a reasonable possibility? I've only been GF since

mid-July. Just

cleared that fungal infection in my gut (yay!), but I still have too much bad

bacteria.

I can be better about taking biotin, zinc, B12 and folic acid to help repair

the damage.

Okay, that's for listening!

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>

> > I'm trying to think back...I have a vague memory that your problems

> > with chest tightness (or pain?) started before any thyroid

treatment.

> > Do I remember right? So there must be an underlying problem (heart?)

> > exacerbated by things like low blood sugar and thyroid meds.

>

>

> Oh, you're good! Yes, back in 2005 when I first got my

amalgams out and began to

> chelate I had chest pain. I really wasn't sure whether it was

reflux or cardiac. You

> suggested slippery elm. I took some supplements recommended in AI,

guzzled the SE,

> and began to chelate, and it went away.

>

>

> I had a CBC, Quest, in August:

>

> Hemoglobin = 11.1 (11.7 - 15.5)

>

> Hematocrit = 33.5 (35 - 45)

>

> If I'm understanding this correctly, I'm anemic, and the anemia

could be due to the gluten

> intolerance and damage in the gut over the years. I have read some

things on line where

> chest pain and elevated pulse can be associated with anemia.

I agree with Jackie, you need to get ferritin tested. I'll bet

it's low, but you really need to do that test to be sure you have

iron deficiency anemia. Many doctors like to do an " iron panel " ,

which includes several tests some of which you've already done.

> Does this seem like a reasonable possibility? I've only been GF

since mid-July. Just

Heavy periods, gut problems, and metal toxicities can all contribute

to iron deficiency anemia. I think poor thyroid function can add to

the problem as well.

An iron deficiency could be causing your chest pain since your heart

has to work harder to oxygenate your tissues when iron is low. Did

you get MCV and MCHC done? These tell you something about how

oxygenated the blood is. Yours are probably low.

If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

> cleared that fungal infection in my gut (yay!), but I still have too

much bad bacteria.

> I can be better about taking biotin, zinc, B12 and folic acid to

help repair the damage.

Bad bacteria problems can be improved with digestive enzymes for

some people. Others get great improvement when they switch to SCD.

Glutamine and licorice are the best things for healing the gut in

my experience, and licorice is antibacterial to boot. Slippery elm

is also lovely.

--

> Okay, that's for listening!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie wrote:

>, have you ever had your ferritin tested?

No, I haven't. I asked for more blood work (including ferritin), but my MD was

only willing to

start with the CBC. I haven't been up for going back down to see him.

Thanks, and I'll take a peek at HTI.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Did

> you get MCV and MCHC done? These tell you something about how

> oxygenated the blood is. Yours are probably low.

>

CBC, includes diff/plt, Quest, August:

White blood cell count 6.6 (3.8-10.8)

Red blood cell count 3.99 (3.8-5.10)

Hemoglobin 11.1 out of range (11.7-15.5)

Hematocrit 33.5 out of range (35-45)

MCV 84.1 (80-100)

MCH 27.9 (27-33)

MCHC 33.2 (32-36)

RDW 13.3 (11-15)

Platelet count 288 (140-400)

Absolute neutrophils 4396 (1500-7800)

Absolute lymphocytes 1439 (850-3900)

Absolute monocytes 673 (200-950)

Absolute eosinophils 59 (15-500)

Neutrophils 66.6

Lymphocytes 21.8

Monocytes 10.2

Eosinophils 0.9

Basophils 0.5

[Guest guest]

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just trying

to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a trial

of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

Synthetic, or non heme iron will destroy Vitamin E, so take them at least 8

hours apart. Synthetic iron will also create oxidative stress so increase the

antioxidants exponentially.

There is a product we started using by Enzymatic Therapy called Energizing Iron

with Eleuthero and it has heme or natural iron which is far superior to

synthetic.

Another added benefit is the Eleuthero or Siberian ginseng which has been

wonderful for her adrenals/energy level and I heard you mention that n was

having adrenal problems.

Hoping you can get something like that, over there.

Too much synthetic iron will cause constipation and black stools, really the

stuff is sooo bad that I would stay away from it if I could.

Good luck,

Re: Anyone want to look at some thyroid

scores?

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just

trying to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a

trial of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

Synthetic, or non heme iron will destroy Vitamin E, so take them at least 8

hours apart. Synthetic iron will also create oxidative stress so increase the

antioxidants exponentially.

There is a product we started using by Enzymatic Therapy called Energizing Iron

with Eleuthero and it has heme or natural iron which is far superior to

synthetic.

Another added benefit is the Eleuthero or Siberian ginseng which has been

wonderful for her adrenals/energy level and I heard you mention that n was

having adrenal problems.

Hoping you can get something like that, over there.

Too much synthetic iron will cause constipation and black stools, really the

stuff is sooo bad that I would stay away from it if I could.

Good luck,

Re: Anyone want to look at some thyroid

scores?

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just

trying to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a

trial of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

Synthetic, or non heme iron will destroy Vitamin E, so take them at least 8

hours apart. Synthetic iron will also create oxidative stress so increase the

antioxidants exponentially.

There is a product we started using by Enzymatic Therapy called Energizing Iron

with Eleuthero and it has heme or natural iron which is far superior to

synthetic.

Another added benefit is the Eleuthero or Siberian ginseng which has been

wonderful for her adrenals/energy level and I heard you mention that n was

having adrenal problems.

Hoping you can get something like that, over there.

Too much synthetic iron will cause constipation and black stools, really the

stuff is sooo bad that I would stay away from it if I could.

Good luck,

Re: Anyone want to look at some thyroid

scores?

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just

trying to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a

trial of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

Nell

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote:

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just

trying to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

-----------That's too bad, because ferritin shouldn't have been an

unreasonable request, especially since your hemoglobin was low. But I

understand the authority thing or when we push them too far, my doctor recently

told me " no " when I requested a serum pyruvate test.---------Jackie

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a

trial of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

----------------I think based on your symptoms and your low hemoglobin, a

trial of iron would definitely make sense. recommended I take

IronSorb by Jarrow, a highly absorbable form of iron, and to make sure I took it

with a meal with plenty of Betaine HCl, so I absorbed it well. Also, in HTI,

Andy recommends taking plenty of antioxidants to help raise your iron levels.

HTI should tell you what the signs of too much iron is, but what I remember it

saying is that your body will just dump it to protect itself if you're getting

too much.

Good luck and keep us posted.-----------Jackie

Nell

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In frequent-dose-chelation lanellici wrote:

>

> If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was just

trying to assert some

authority since I'm always bossing him around.

-----------That's too bad, because ferritin shouldn't have been an

unreasonable request, especially since your hemoglobin was low. But I

understand the authority thing or when we push them too far, my doctor recently

told me " no " when I requested a serum pyruvate test.---------Jackie

Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if I have

those same symtoms

of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would doing a

trial of iron make

any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

----------------I think based on your symptoms and your low hemoglobin, a

trial of iron would definitely make sense. recommended I take

IronSorb by Jarrow, a highly absorbable form of iron, and to make sure I took it

with a meal with plenty of Betaine HCl, so I absorbed it well. Also, in HTI,

Andy recommends taking plenty of antioxidants to help raise your iron levels.

HTI should tell you what the signs of too much iron is, but what I remember it

saying is that your body will just dump it to protect itself if you're getting

too much.

Good luck and keep us posted.-----------Jackie

Nell

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>

> > Did

> > you get MCV and MCHC done? These tell you something about how

> > oxygenated the blood is. Yours are probably low.

> >

>

>

> CBC, includes diff/plt, Quest, August:

>

> White blood cell count 6.6 (3.8-10.8)

Your white count and the differential below looks good.

> Red blood cell count 3.99 (3.8-5.10)

This is lowish and if it were me, I would watch it in the future.

I believe this can mean either you are not making enough red blood

cells or they are being destroyed too quickly. Lots of possible

reasons, I think. You might check onibasu and see if Andy has

commented on results like this.

> Hemoglobin 11.1 out of range (11.7-15.5)

>

> Hematocrit 33.5 out of range (35-45)

>

> MCV 84.1 (80-100)

Not too microcytic, you have pretty normal sized red blood cells.

In a severe iron deficiency anemia, a person is usually microcytic

and hypochromic.

> MCH 27.9 (27-33)

>

> MCHC 33.2 (32-36)

These are both lowish. Means you are a bit hypochromic - light

colored red blood cells due to not enough hemoglobin in them.

I don't know enough to say more. You may want to try to get the

ferritin at some point. If you cannot get the doc to do ferritin,

there are places to get it without a doc (DLS, healthcheckusa,

perhaps others).

I'm not sure, but wondering when you last chelated. Having too

much lead floating around might contribute to some of these results.

I'm not positive, but check HTI and AI about lead and associated

lab results.

--

> RDW 13.3 (11-15)

>

> Platelet count 288 (140-400)

>

> Absolute neutrophils 4396 (1500-7800)

>

> Absolute lymphocytes 1439 (850-3900)

>

> Absolute monocytes 673 (200-950)

>

> Absolute eosinophils 59 (15-500)

>

> Neutrophils 66.6

>

> Lymphocytes 21.8

>

> Monocytes 10.2

>

> Eosinophils 0.9

>

> Basophils 0.5

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Did

> > you get MCV and MCHC done? These tell you something about how

> > oxygenated the blood is. Yours are probably low.

> >

>

>

> CBC, includes diff/plt, Quest, August:

>

> White blood cell count 6.6 (3.8-10.8)

Your white count and the differential below looks good.

> Red blood cell count 3.99 (3.8-5.10)

This is lowish and if it were me, I would watch it in the future.

I believe this can mean either you are not making enough red blood

cells or they are being destroyed too quickly. Lots of possible

reasons, I think. You might check onibasu and see if Andy has

commented on results like this.

> Hemoglobin 11.1 out of range (11.7-15.5)

>

> Hematocrit 33.5 out of range (35-45)

>

> MCV 84.1 (80-100)

Not too microcytic, you have pretty normal sized red blood cells.

In a severe iron deficiency anemia, a person is usually microcytic

and hypochromic.

> MCH 27.9 (27-33)

>

> MCHC 33.2 (32-36)

These are both lowish. Means you are a bit hypochromic - light

colored red blood cells due to not enough hemoglobin in them.

I don't know enough to say more. You may want to try to get the

ferritin at some point. If you cannot get the doc to do ferritin,

there are places to get it without a doc (DLS, healthcheckusa,

perhaps others).

I'm not sure, but wondering when you last chelated. Having too

much lead floating around might contribute to some of these results.

I'm not positive, but check HTI and AI about lead and associated

lab results.

--

> RDW 13.3 (11-15)

>

> Platelet count 288 (140-400)

>

> Absolute neutrophils 4396 (1500-7800)

>

> Absolute lymphocytes 1439 (850-3900)

>

> Absolute monocytes 673 (200-950)

>

> Absolute eosinophils 59 (15-500)

>

> Neutrophils 66.6

>

> Lymphocytes 21.8

>

> Monocytes 10.2

>

> Eosinophils 0.9

>

> Basophils 0.5

>

[Guest guest]

> >

>

> > If low ferritin confirms iron deficiency, correcting it may fix

> > the chest pain and may help your poor thyroid function, too.

>

> My doc refused to do the ferritin test too. I had the feeling he was

just trying to assert some

> authority since I'm always bossing him around.

In my experience it really helps to not boss around the doc too much.

Try to find ways to make them think it is their own idea to give you

what you want. One way to do this is to lie a little bit about your

symptoms. If you want a ferritin level, look at the list of symptoms

of iron deficiency and exaggerate your symptoms in that direction.

In general, you have two choices when it comes to doctors. You can

do like Andy says and find a real doctor...well you might find one

who is *closer* to being a real doctor, keep working on it... Or

you can humor your current doctor and try not to offend their

mainstream medical religion while trying to manipulate them into

giving you what you want (eg, by lying a little bit as above, and

perhaps other ways).

Maybe there is one good thing about being an anxious soul like

me. They will give me tests to alleviate my anxiety. My doctor

now asks me if there are any other tests I want. Now that I am

taking HC, I have to be real careful not to sound too competent

and sane...

I find it also helps to play dumb and brain-damaged, so they don't

feel like you are second-guessing or questioning their authority,

but instead you are just confused and uncertain. Sometimes they

will give you stuff just to help settle your concerns.

> Since it's impossible for me to get a ferritin test anytime soon, if

I have those same symtoms

> of chest pain and poor thyroid function, along with fatigue, would

doing a trial of iron make

> any sense? Do any of you know what the signs of too much iron are?

The main reason not to do a trial of iron is because iron increases

oxidative stress, which is usually high in mercury toxic people and

we want to minimize it. Andy recommends not taking iron unless

ferritin is low, which is the only time you really need it.

If you think you are low, I would stick with increasing dietary

iron, antioxidants, and take some betaine hcl.

--

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

These nunbers naturally fluctuate to a not very well known extent.

It's possible your pituitary is getting healthier, it is possible nothing is

happening.

Probably if you take some armour but not a replacement dose your body just cuts

back

how much it makes.

You seem to think you need more adrenal support so I'd suggest doing that for a

while

then worrying about thyroid.

This is the kind of situation where you are going to do better relying on signs

and

symptoms than lab tests anyway, and you haven't discussed any of those.

Andy

> Here are some of my thyroid scores this year.

>

>

> Thyroid scores, Diagnos-Techs lab, April. Before going on Armour.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 45 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .21 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO= positive

>

> Checked adrenals in July and they weren't that bad at all. Went

> gluten free based on the Total Salivary SIgA and gliadin scores.

> Went on a trial of Armour. Next test results taken while on 3/4

> grains of Armour, in August. Took Armour the morning of the test, as

> usual. Did saliva and serum within an hour of each other, Diagnos-

> Techs.

>

> SERUM:

>

> TSH = .3 (.3-3.0)

>

> fT4 = 1.3 (.8-2.0)

>

> fT3 = 1.8 ( 1.4-4.2)

>

> SALIVA:

>

> TSH = 31 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .19 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .37 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO = negative

>

> On 3/4 grains of Armour, I did not exactly feel optimal, but I could

> not raise anymore due to chest tightness, elevated pulse, etc. I was

> surprised by these test results. Why wasn't my fT3 going up in the

> range since I was Armour?

>

> As I continued gluten free, and began to treat my gut infections (too

> much yeast, too much bad bacteria, not enough good, based on a GI

> test), I felt I had to reduce my Armour because I would get symptoms

> of too much thyroid again. I eventually got down to 1/4 grain, then

> nothing.

>

> I'm currently taking 500 mg of tyrosine and 50 mcg of Selenium on an

> empty stomach upon waking, in lieu of Armour, in hopes of helping the

> thyroid pipeline. I think it's helping, somewhat. I'm not on

> Armour, and feel about the same as when I was on it.

>

> Here are my latest scores in November. I took the tyrosine and

> selenium that morning, as usual.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 60 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .25 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> Huh., I'm thinking. TSH is up. fT3 and fT4 are still (stubbornly)

> down in the range.

>

> Any ideas on why my fT3 and fT4 have remained essentially the same

> whether on zero Armour, on 3/4 grains Armour, or zero Armour plus

> tyrosine and selenium? Suggestions for getting fT3 up?

>

> BTW, I've done 65 rounds (3 days long) of chelation. We (the kids

> and I) have been taking an extended break this year for various reasons.

> I understand that one solution to my fT3 problem is to chelate,

> chelate, chelate. Anything else?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These nunbers naturally fluctuate to a not very well known extent.

It's possible your pituitary is getting healthier, it is possible nothing is

happening.

Probably if you take some armour but not a replacement dose your body just cuts

back

how much it makes.

You seem to think you need more adrenal support so I'd suggest doing that for a

while

then worrying about thyroid.

This is the kind of situation where you are going to do better relying on signs

and

symptoms than lab tests anyway, and you haven't discussed any of those.

Andy

> Here are some of my thyroid scores this year.

>

>

> Thyroid scores, Diagnos-Techs lab, April. Before going on Armour.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 45 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .21 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO= positive

>

> Checked adrenals in July and they weren't that bad at all. Went

> gluten free based on the Total Salivary SIgA and gliadin scores.

> Went on a trial of Armour. Next test results taken while on 3/4

> grains of Armour, in August. Took Armour the morning of the test, as

> usual. Did saliva and serum within an hour of each other, Diagnos-

> Techs.

>

> SERUM:

>

> TSH = .3 (.3-3.0)

>

> fT4 = 1.3 (.8-2.0)

>

> fT3 = 1.8 ( 1.4-4.2)

>

> SALIVA:

>

> TSH = 31 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .19 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .37 (.28-1.10)

>

> TPO = negative

>

> On 3/4 grains of Armour, I did not exactly feel optimal, but I could

> not raise anymore due to chest tightness, elevated pulse, etc. I was

> surprised by these test results. Why wasn't my fT3 going up in the

> range since I was Armour?

>

> As I continued gluten free, and began to treat my gut infections (too

> much yeast, too much bad bacteria, not enough good, based on a GI

> test), I felt I had to reduce my Armour because I would get symptoms

> of too much thyroid again. I eventually got down to 1/4 grain, then

> nothing.

>

> I'm currently taking 500 mg of tyrosine and 50 mcg of Selenium on an

> empty stomach upon waking, in lieu of Armour, in hopes of helping the

> thyroid pipeline. I think it's helping, somewhat. I'm not on

> Armour, and feel about the same as when I was on it.

>

> Here are my latest scores in November. I took the tyrosine and

> selenium that morning, as usual.

>

> SALIVA:

>

> fTSH = 60 (26-85)

>

> fT4 = .25 (.17-.42)

>

> fT3 = .40 (.28-1.10)

>

> Huh., I'm thinking. TSH is up. fT3 and fT4 are still (stubbornly)

> down in the range.

>

> Any ideas on why my fT3 and fT4 have remained essentially the same

> whether on zero Armour, on 3/4 grains Armour, or zero Armour plus

> tyrosine and selenium? Suggestions for getting fT3 up?

>

> BTW, I've done 65 rounds (3 days long) of chelation. We (the kids

> and I) have been taking an extended break this year for various reasons.

> I understand that one solution to my fT3 problem is to chelate,

> chelate, chelate. Anything else?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>