3rd round chelation DMSA+ALA, 10 year old - NOT GOOD

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Hi folks,

Haven't had the same sort of luck with ramping up on chelation as

others on my 10 year old son (92 pounds) also treated concurrently for

Lyme disease.

On the 12.5 DMSA + 12.5 ALA 3rd round (every 3 hours dosing), he

experienced many of the same symptoms as the previous 2 rounds, except

worse.

Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

" neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

He has been off/on antibiotics during the past 3 weeks (Lyme) so this

is a co-factor.

I have seen no improvement in symptoms, in fact, he seems duller than

usual, but this could be from the side effects.

He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

problem. He is usually constipated.

Any ideas, recommendations ... ? This has been very discouraging and

frightening, since I've had to cut 2 rounds short, and deal with

potential mal-redistribution.

Additionally, does anyone have any good recommendations for easing his

cramps? They seem to be intestinal for him, rather than stomach related.

His pediatrician recommended Prevacid (but he was just shotgunning the

symptoms).

Appreciate your comments and help!

Deb

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Have you done DMSA alone? If not, you may need to do many rounds of it

before you add ALA. You may even need to do your DMSA-only rounds on a

smaller dose of DMSA. I weigh twice what your son weighs, and did 12.5 mg

DMSA alone every 3 hours for my first 12 rounds. And I'm probably less

toxic than many.

Dean

3rd round chelation DMSA+ALA, 10 year

old - NOT GOOD

Hi folks,

Haven't had the same sort of luck with ramping up on chelation as

others on my 10 year old son (92 pounds) also treated concurrently for

Lyme disease.

On the 12.5 DMSA + 12.5 ALA 3rd round (every 3 hours dosing), he

experienced many of the same symptoms as the previous 2 rounds, except

worse.

Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

" neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

He has been off/on antibiotics during the past 3 weeks (Lyme) so this

is a co-factor.

I have seen no improvement in symptoms, in fact, he seems duller than

usual, but this could be from the side effects.

He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

problem. He is usually constipated.

Any ideas, recommendations ... ? This has been very discouraging and

frightening, since I've had to cut 2 rounds short, and deal with

potential mal-redistribution.

Additionally, does anyone have any good recommendations for easing his

cramps? They seem to be intestinal for him, rather than stomach related.

His pediatrician recommended Prevacid (but he was just shotgunning the

symptoms).

Appreciate your comments and help!

Deb

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In frequent-dose-chelation pinkfeet2000 wrote:

Hi folks,

Haven't had the same sort of luck with ramping up on chelation as

others on my 10 year old son (92 pounds) also treated concurrently for

Lyme disease.

On the 12.5 DMSA + 12.5 ALA 3rd round (every 3 hours dosing), he

experienced many of the same symptoms as the previous 2 rounds, except

worse.

---------Have you done any rounds with just DMSA? Maybe both chelators are

just too much for him right now.----------Jackie

Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

" neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

---------He may need some testing for gut problems. Does he take anything to

help with digestion, like enzymes or betaine HCl?----------Jackie

He has been off/on antibiotics during the past 3 weeks (Lyme) so this

is a co-factor.

-----------Does he take probiotics, since he is on antibiotics

often?-------Jackie

I have seen no improvement in symptoms, in fact, he seems duller than

usual, but this could be from the side effects.

He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

problem. He is usually constipated.

Any ideas, recommendations ... ? This has been very discouraging and

frightening, since I've had to cut 2 rounds short, and deal with

potential mal-redistribution.

--------Like I said above, maybe try just DMSA alone, or lower the

dose.------Jackie

Additionally, does anyone have any good recommendations for easing his

cramps? They seem to be intestinal for him, rather than stomach related.

---------I'm not sure if it would help cramps, but ginger is supposed to be

good for nausea, and I think digestion in general too. And I thought that

glutamine is supposed to be good for the gut also. And probiotics, especially

since he's on antibiotics. Have you asked these questions over at

Autism-Mercury?-----Jackie

His pediatrician recommended Prevacid (but he was just shotgunning the

symptoms).

Appreciate your comments and help!

Deb

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You need to be on probiotics and treat yeast. I would also do just

dmsa for a little while. I use 12.5mg on myself and kids. We never

increased it becuase why mess with what works. If the 12.5mg causes

too many problems still, go lower.

He may also need immune support during chelation. My son needed it

for a while. We use echinacea and colostrum, zinc.

Is he on all the vitamians/minerals for chelation?

Also being on antibiotics...is going to make yeast all right, add in

chelation and whammo! You may need to let him work through the lyme

treatment first if possible. That is probably doing a number on his

immune system.

Easing the cramps..you need to get him to go to the bathroom

regularly. Treating the constipation is key. It may be from yeast or

from his diet..either way..it would make things go better is he had

daily bowel movements..especially if chelating. A really high strain

probiotic, antifungals, modify diet (no dairy), even maybe fiber

supps or senokot to " clean out " .

>

> >>

>

>

> Hi folks,

>

> Haven't had the same sort of luck with ramping up on chelation as

> others on my 10 year old son (92 pounds) also treated

concurrently for

> Lyme disease.

>

> On the 12.5 DMSA + 12.5 ALA 3rd round (every 3 hours dosing), he

> experienced many of the same symptoms as the previous 2 rounds,

except

> worse.

>

> Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense

cramping

> of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen

glands

> on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat).

The

> " neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

>

> These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds,

although he

> got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

>

> This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not

resolve.

> It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered.

His

[Guest guest]

Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

" neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

problem. He is usually constipated.

Any ideas, recommendations ... ?

Deb

~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Deb,

I have had constant swollen glands on the right side of my neck since they put

the amalgams in thirteen years ago.

The first time the glands went down to normal size was after I began using

Milk Thistle to aid liver function. It works like clockwork--within a couple

hours of taking the milk thistle, my gland has gone down. Now, it does swell

back up when --what I perceive to be mercury " build up " occurs-- because as soon

as I begin chelating with ALA, it goes back down.

So, for me, there are two factors: aiding the body to eliminate mercury to

the liver and aiding the liver to flush it out completely.

There most likely is a yeast issue with your son, as well, because of the

mercury and of the antibiotics, and you'll need to address that with probiotics.

Hope this helps

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Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

" neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

problem. He is usually constipated.

Any ideas, recommendations ... ?

Deb

~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Deb,

I have had constant swollen glands on the right side of my neck since they put

the amalgams in thirteen years ago.

The first time the glands went down to normal size was after I began using

Milk Thistle to aid liver function. It works like clockwork--within a couple

hours of taking the milk thistle, my gland has gone down. Now, it does swell

back up when --what I perceive to be mercury " build up " occurs-- because as soon

as I begin chelating with ALA, it goes back down.

So, for me, there are two factors: aiding the body to eliminate mercury to

the liver and aiding the liver to flush it out completely.

There most likely is a yeast issue with your son, as well, because of the

mercury and of the antibiotics, and you'll need to address that with probiotics.

Hope this helps

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

What doses of what chelators did you use for the first three rounds.

How many hours apart did you give the doses in the day and at night.

How much does your 10 year old weigh.

What supplements are you giving him?

Do you have " Amalgam Illness " and Andy's " Hair Test Interpretation " books.

J

>

> Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

> of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

> on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

> " neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

>

> These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

> got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

>

> This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

> It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

> pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

> are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

> Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

>

> He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

> party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

> problem. He is usually constipated.

>

> Any ideas, recommendations ... ?

>

> Deb

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> I have had constant swollen glands on the right side of my neck

since they put the amalgams in thirteen years ago.

>

> The first time the glands went down to normal size was after I

began using Milk Thistle to aid liver function. It works like

clockwork--within a couple hours of taking the milk thistle, my gland

has gone down. Now, it does swell back up when --what I perceive to be

mercury " build up " occurs-- because as soon as I begin chelating with

ALA, it goes back down.

>

> So, for me, there are two factors: aiding the body to eliminate

mercury to the liver and aiding the liver to flush it out completely.

>

> There most likely is a yeast issue with your son, as well, because

of the mercury and of the antibiotics, and you'll need to address that

with probiotics.

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

What doses of what chelators did you use for the first three rounds.

How many hours apart did you give the doses in the day and at night.

How much does your 10 year old weigh.

What supplements are you giving him?

Do you have " Amalgam Illness " and Andy's " Hair Test Interpretation " books.

J

>

> Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

> of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

> on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

> " neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

>

> These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

> got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

>

> This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

> It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

> pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

> are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

> Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

>

> He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

> party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

> problem. He is usually constipated.

>

> Any ideas, recommendations ... ?

>

> Deb

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> I have had constant swollen glands on the right side of my neck

since they put the amalgams in thirteen years ago.

>

> The first time the glands went down to normal size was after I

began using Milk Thistle to aid liver function. It works like

clockwork--within a couple hours of taking the milk thistle, my gland

has gone down. Now, it does swell back up when --what I perceive to be

mercury " build up " occurs-- because as soon as I begin chelating with

ALA, it goes back down.

>

> So, for me, there are two factors: aiding the body to eliminate

mercury to the liver and aiding the liver to flush it out completely.

>

> There most likely is a yeast issue with your son, as well, because

of the mercury and of the antibiotics, and you'll need to address that

with probiotics.

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What doses of what chelators did you use for the first three rounds.

How many hours apart did you give the doses in the day and at night.

How much does your 10 year old weigh.

What supplements are you giving him?

Do you have " Amalgam Illness " and Andy's " Hair Test Interpretation " books.

J

>

> Had to stop round 3 after 24 hours (again) because of intense cramping

> of stomach, nausea, and what I think was the feeling of swollen glands

> on the side of his neck (hurt to swallow, but no sore throat). The

> " neck-ache " gives him the feeling on nausea.

>

> These were the same symptoms as the previous two rounds, although he

> got through the 2nd round intact and recovered.

>

> This time, however, the cramping and " neck " problem did not resolve.

> It has been almost 2 weeks and he is still not fully recovered. His

> pain is mostly after he eats, and he is extremely fatigued. The pains

> are quite acute, and I even brought him to the emergency room this

> Monday. No joy there, of course, since he didn't have appendicitis.

>

> He has had no diarrhea (except one bout after a sugar binge at a

> party), no real gas, but I'm wondering if what has happened is a yeast

> problem. He is usually constipated.

>

> Any ideas, recommendations ... ?

>

> Deb

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> I have had constant swollen glands on the right side of my neck

since they put the amalgams in thirteen years ago.

>

> The first time the glands went down to normal size was after I

began using Milk Thistle to aid liver function. It works like

clockwork--within a couple hours of taking the milk thistle, my gland

has gone down. Now, it does swell back up when --what I perceive to be

mercury " build up " occurs-- because as soon as I begin chelating with

ALA, it goes back down.

>

> So, for me, there are two factors: aiding the body to eliminate

mercury to the liver and aiding the liver to flush it out completely.

>

> There most likely is a yeast issue with your son, as well, because

of the mercury and of the antibiotics, and you'll need to address that

with probiotics.

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

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>

>