DMSA + Mercury only excreted via kidneys/urine

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Ok, I was under the mistaken idea that Mercury was excreted via the

kidney and liver when using DMSA. But it appears that it is only

excreted in the urine when using DMSA. Various studies and indeed Andy

mentions this in a post.

But what does the table/chart on page 207 in AI in the appendix mean?

It mentions the different chelators and daily excretion for each. For

DMSA it shows that it is excreted in urine and feces. Is this

excretion of DMSA alone or excretion of DMSA bound to mercury? I'm

thinking now that it is the excretion of DMSA alone, but I just want to

confirm.

By the way, I'm sure most here already know, but I just found it

today. Here's a document that tells a bit about the protocol and some

common questions about it.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

Thanks,

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

Ok, I was under the mistaken idea that Mercury was excreted via the

kidney and liver when using DMSA. But it appears that it is only

excreted in the urine when using DMSA. Various studies and indeed Andy

mentions this in a post.

But what does the table/chart on page 207 in AI in the appendix mean?

It mentions the different chelators and daily excretion for each. For

DMSA it shows that it is excreted in urine and feces. Is this

excretion of DMSA alone or excretion of DMSA bound to mercury? I'm

thinking now that it is the excretion of DMSA alone, but I just want to

confirm.

--------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff, aren't you?

But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like math) after you made me go look

at it. I drew boxes around each scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway,

the key is the first box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with

*no* chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine (2

ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating agent. You have to

compare the increase in output (tick marks) for urine and feces when taking a

chelating agent to the daily excretion with no chelator. Only the *increase* is

the amount associated with the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks

for urine, and 5 ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box,

to get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5 ticks for

feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there is no *increase* in

excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA only *increased* the excretion

through urine, not feces, and the amount shown in feces is the amount your body

would naturally excrete on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So

your body excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number one,

but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an increase of 2

units, and the increase was in the urine, not the feces. I hope I didn't make

this more confusing!---------Jackie

By the way, I'm sure most here already know, but I just found it

today. Here's a document that tells a bit about the protocol and some

common questions about it.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

Thanks,

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

Ok, I was under the mistaken idea that Mercury was excreted via the

kidney and liver when using DMSA. But it appears that it is only

excreted in the urine when using DMSA. Various studies and indeed Andy

mentions this in a post.

But what does the table/chart on page 207 in AI in the appendix mean?

It mentions the different chelators and daily excretion for each. For

DMSA it shows that it is excreted in urine and feces. Is this

excretion of DMSA alone or excretion of DMSA bound to mercury? I'm

thinking now that it is the excretion of DMSA alone, but I just want to

confirm.

--------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff, aren't you?

But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like math) after you made me go look

at it. I drew boxes around each scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway,

the key is the first box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with

*no* chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine (2

ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating agent. You have to

compare the increase in output (tick marks) for urine and feces when taking a

chelating agent to the daily excretion with no chelator. Only the *increase* is

the amount associated with the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks

for urine, and 5 ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box,

to get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5 ticks for

feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there is no *increase* in

excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA only *increased* the excretion

through urine, not feces, and the amount shown in feces is the amount your body

would naturally excrete on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So

your body excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number one,

but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an increase of 2

units, and the increase was in the urine, not the feces. I hope I didn't make

this more confusing!---------Jackie

By the way, I'm sure most here already know, but I just found it

today. Here's a document that tells a bit about the protocol and some

common questions about it.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

Thanks,

Mike

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> --------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff,

aren't you? But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like

math) after you made me go look at it. I drew boxes around each

scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway, the key is the first

box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with *no*

chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine

(2 ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating

agent. You have to compare the increase in output (tick marks) for

urine and feces when taking a chelating agent to the daily excretion

with no chelator. Only the *increase* is the amount associated with

the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks for urine, and 5

ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box, to

get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5

ticks for feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there

is no *increase* in excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA

only *increased* the excretion through urine, not feces, and the

amount shown in feces is the amount your body would naturally excrete

on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So your body

excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number

one, but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an

increase of 2 units, and the increase was in the urine, not the

feces. I hope I didn't make this more confusing!---------Jackie

>

Oh man! I'm embarassed I didn't figure that out on my own. I didn't

notice the tics on no chelating agent. This surely points to making

sure your liver is in good shape (I'm guessing that's how it gets in

the feces) if you want to get mercury out.

Makes me wonder how many tick marks, if any, there would be for

sweat. If one were exercising enough to sweat or using a dry heat

(not IR) sauna.

Also, remember talking about getting ALA from food a while back. I

came across an article, don't know the source yet, talking about ALA

from food. Broccolli was listed as one of the larger sources which

had about 1 microgram per 1 gram of broccolli. So if you ate around

a cup (which is around 100 grams) you'd be getting .1 mg. Eating 10

cups you'd get around 1 mg. Going on the basis of 12.5 mg per dose

at the lowest. You'd have to eat 125 cups of broccolli every 4 hours

to equal the 12.5 mg dose. Methinks you'd have other problems before

having redistribution with ALA from foods. LOL ;-D

Mike

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> --------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff,

aren't you? But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like

math) after you made me go look at it. I drew boxes around each

scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway, the key is the first

box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with *no*

chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine

(2 ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating

agent. You have to compare the increase in output (tick marks) for

urine and feces when taking a chelating agent to the daily excretion

with no chelator. Only the *increase* is the amount associated with

the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks for urine, and 5

ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box, to

get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5

ticks for feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there

is no *increase* in excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA

only *increased* the excretion through urine, not feces, and the

amount shown in feces is the amount your body would naturally excrete

on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So your body

excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number

one, but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an

increase of 2 units, and the increase was in the urine, not the

feces. I hope I didn't make this more confusing!---------Jackie

>

Oh man! I'm embarassed I didn't figure that out on my own. I didn't

notice the tics on no chelating agent. This surely points to making

sure your liver is in good shape (I'm guessing that's how it gets in

the feces) if you want to get mercury out.

Makes me wonder how many tick marks, if any, there would be for

sweat. If one were exercising enough to sweat or using a dry heat

(not IR) sauna.

Also, remember talking about getting ALA from food a while back. I

came across an article, don't know the source yet, talking about ALA

from food. Broccolli was listed as one of the larger sources which

had about 1 microgram per 1 gram of broccolli. So if you ate around

a cup (which is around 100 grams) you'd be getting .1 mg. Eating 10

cups you'd get around 1 mg. Going on the basis of 12.5 mg per dose

at the lowest. You'd have to eat 125 cups of broccolli every 4 hours

to equal the 12.5 mg dose. Methinks you'd have other problems before

having redistribution with ALA from foods. LOL ;-D

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

(Talking about chart on page 207 of AI.)

> --------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff,

aren't you? But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like

math) after you made me go look at it. I drew boxes around each

scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway, the key is the first

box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with *no*

chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine

(2 ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating

agent. You have to compare the increase in output (tick marks) for

urine and feces when taking a chelating agent to the daily excretion

with no chelator. Only the *increase* is the amount associated with

the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks for urine, and 5

ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box, to

get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5

ticks for feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there

is no *increase* in excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA

only *increased* the excretion through urine, not feces, and the

amount shown in feces is the amount your body would naturally excrete

on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So your body

excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number

one, but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an

increase of 2 units, and the increase was in the urine, not the

feces. I hope I didn't make this more confusing!---------Jackie

>

Oh man! I'm embarassed I didn't figure that out on my own. I didn't

notice the tics on no chelating agent. This surely points to making

sure your liver is in good shape (I'm guessing that's how it gets in

the feces) if you want to get mercury out.

----------Don't worry, I'm surprised my mercury brain figured it out! I think

what helped was I knew Andy says that DMSA and DMPS excrete via the urine and

ALA through feces, so with that firmly drilled in my head, somehow I figured it

out.---------Jackie

Makes me wonder how many tick marks, if any, there would be for

sweat. If one were exercising enough to sweat or using a dry heat

(not IR) sauna.

-------------Andy does mention on page 207 that the amount that comes out in

sweat is unknown.----------Jackie

Also, remember talking about getting ALA from food a while back. I

came across an article, don't know the source yet, talking about ALA

from food. Broccolli was listed as one of the larger sources which

had about 1 microgram per 1 gram of broccolli. So if you ate around

a cup (which is around 100 grams) you'd be getting .1 mg. Eating 10

cups you'd get around 1 mg. Going on the basis of 12.5 mg per dose

at the lowest. You'd have to eat 125 cups of broccolli every 4 hours

to equal the 12.5 mg dose. Methinks you'd have other problems before

having redistribution with ALA from foods. LOL ;-D

---------I like broccoli, but not that much!--------Jackie

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

(Talking about chart on page 207 of AI.)

> --------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff,

aren't you? But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like

math) after you made me go look at it. I drew boxes around each

scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway, the key is the first

box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with *no*

chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine

(2 ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating

agent. You have to compare the increase in output (tick marks) for

urine and feces when taking a chelating agent to the daily excretion

with no chelator. Only the *increase* is the amount associated with

the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks for urine, and 5

ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box, to

get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5

ticks for feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there

is no *increase* in excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA

only *increased* the excretion through urine, not feces, and the

amount shown in feces is the amount your body would naturally excrete

on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So your body

excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number

one, but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an

increase of 2 units, and the increase was in the urine, not the

feces. I hope I didn't make this more confusing!---------Jackie

>

Oh man! I'm embarassed I didn't figure that out on my own. I didn't

notice the tics on no chelating agent. This surely points to making

sure your liver is in good shape (I'm guessing that's how it gets in

the feces) if you want to get mercury out.

----------Don't worry, I'm surprised my mercury brain figured it out! I think

what helped was I knew Andy says that DMSA and DMPS excrete via the urine and

ALA through feces, so with that firmly drilled in my head, somehow I figured it

out.---------Jackie

Makes me wonder how many tick marks, if any, there would be for

sweat. If one were exercising enough to sweat or using a dry heat

(not IR) sauna.

-------------Andy does mention on page 207 that the amount that comes out in

sweat is unknown.----------Jackie

Also, remember talking about getting ALA from food a while back. I

came across an article, don't know the source yet, talking about ALA

from food. Broccolli was listed as one of the larger sources which

had about 1 microgram per 1 gram of broccolli. So if you ate around

a cup (which is around 100 grams) you'd be getting .1 mg. Eating 10

cups you'd get around 1 mg. Going on the basis of 12.5 mg per dose

at the lowest. You'd have to eat 125 cups of broccolli every 4 hours

to equal the 12.5 mg dose. Methinks you'd have other problems before

having redistribution with ALA from foods. LOL ;-D

---------I like broccoli, but not that much!--------Jackie

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

(Talking about chart on page 207 of AI.)

> --------OK, you're going to make me learn this chemistry stuff,

aren't you? But this table/chart I did figure out (I do like

math) after you made me go look at it. I drew boxes around each

scenario, to separate them nicely. Anyway, the key is the first

box/scenario. It is the daily excretion of mercury with *no*

chelating agent taken. So we naturally excrete some mercury in urine

(2 ticks) and feces (5 ticks) every day *without* any chelating

agent. You have to compare the increase in output (tick marks) for

urine and feces when taking a chelating agent to the daily excretion

with no chelator. Only the *increase* is the amount associated with

the chelator. For example, DMSA (100mg) has 4 ticks for urine, and 5

ticks for feces. Subtract the 2 ticks in urine from first box, to

get an increase in excretion of 2 ticks in urine using DMSA. The 5

ticks for feces is the same as the 5 ticks in the first box, so there

is no *increase* in excretion through feces using DMSA. So the DMSA

only *increased* the excretion through urine, not feces, and the

amount shown in feces is the amount your body would naturally excrete

on its own, without DMSA. Is this clear as mud now? So your body

excreted 7 units (tick marks) of mercury on its own in box number

one, but excreted 9 units of mercury when DMSA was added, only an

increase of 2 units, and the increase was in the urine, not the

feces. I hope I didn't make this more confusing!---------Jackie

>

Oh man! I'm embarassed I didn't figure that out on my own. I didn't

notice the tics on no chelating agent. This surely points to making

sure your liver is in good shape (I'm guessing that's how it gets in

the feces) if you want to get mercury out.

----------Don't worry, I'm surprised my mercury brain figured it out! I think

what helped was I knew Andy says that DMSA and DMPS excrete via the urine and

ALA through feces, so with that firmly drilled in my head, somehow I figured it

out.---------Jackie

Makes me wonder how many tick marks, if any, there would be for

sweat. If one were exercising enough to sweat or using a dry heat

(not IR) sauna.

-------------Andy does mention on page 207 that the amount that comes out in

sweat is unknown.----------Jackie

Also, remember talking about getting ALA from food a while back. I

came across an article, don't know the source yet, talking about ALA

from food. Broccolli was listed as one of the larger sources which

had about 1 microgram per 1 gram of broccolli. So if you ate around

a cup (which is around 100 grams) you'd be getting .1 mg. Eating 10

cups you'd get around 1 mg. Going on the basis of 12.5 mg per dose

at the lowest. You'd have to eat 125 cups of broccolli every 4 hours

to equal the 12.5 mg dose. Methinks you'd have other problems before

having redistribution with ALA from foods. LOL ;-D

---------I like broccoli, but not that much!--------Jackie

Mike

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