Re: N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) and potassium citrate

[Guest guest]

>

> I'll have to search some more, but has Andy talked about using N-

> acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) and potassium citrate together as a chelator?

>

NAC contains cysteine which is one of the amino acid building blocks

needed to make glutathione. Glutathione is not a chelator, but is

needed in the general process of detoxification in the body. NAC is

also a powerful antioxidant. Andy has talked about supplementing with

NAC, glycine and glutamine, to provide the three amino acid building

blocks to make glutathione.

Citrate is a weak chelator. That is mentioned in " Amalgam Illness "

> I was looking on the Thorne website for something and came across

> this article.

> http://thorne.com/media/environmental_3_mercury.pdf

>

> It indicated that NAC + PC could chelate as efficiently as DMSA or

> DMPS. It refered to this study.

>

Often people will refer to studies without scrutinizing the paper and

determining if the paper actually shows what the authors think it

showed or concluded. In this case:

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjne/1998/00000008/0000

> 0003/art00003

>

> " Based on the increase in urinary Hg concentrations after single

> doses, compared with controls, the order of efficacy was: DMPS plus K

> Cit., NAC plus K Cit. and DMSA (each producing an increase of 163%),

> then in descending order, DMSA plus K Cit., DMPS, NAC and K Cit. "

>

There were some serious flaws in the initial study. Andy has

commented on this and other studies and most of his comments are found

in the autism mercury archives. Use onibasu.com to search for his

comments. (In the past I have checked Andy out, by digging up the

whole paper not just the abstract, and always found that he was right).

> If this is the case then one might be able to use these supplements

> (which can be easily obtained at a supplement store) and not have to

> get DMSA or DMPS.

>

Citrate is too weak of a chelator to every expect to get well in a

life time. One needs ALA to chelate metals out of the brain. DMSA

and DMPS can be used to help chelation, but ALA is the essential one.

J

> Any comments?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'll have to search some more, but has Andy talked about using N-

> acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) and potassium citrate together as a chelator?

I sure hope I didn't because they aren't a chelator together, or apart either

for any heavy

metals.

>

> I was looking on the Thorne website

I don't consider anything they have to say to be relevant to the care of human

beings. This

is based on discussions with the authors of some studies, and really looking

over what is

in their combination products.

> for something and came across

> this article.

> http://thorne.com/media/environmental_3_mercury.pdf

>

> It indicated that NAC + PC could chelate as efficiently as DMSA or

> DMPS. It refered to this study.

> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjne/1998/00000008/0000

> 0003/art00003

>

> " Based on the increase in urinary Hg concentrations after single

> doses, compared with controls, the order of efficacy was: DMPS plus K

> Cit., NAC plus K Cit. and DMSA (each producing an increase of 163%),

> then in descending order, DMSA plus K Cit., DMPS, NAC and K Cit. "

>

> If this is the case then one might be able to use these supplements

> (which can be easily obtained at a supplement store) and not have to

> get DMSA or DMPS.

>

> Any comments?

Stick to what works. ALA, optoinally with DMPS or DMSA.

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'll have to search some more, but has Andy talked about using N-

> acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) and potassium citrate together as a chelator?

I sure hope I didn't because they aren't a chelator together, or apart either

for any heavy

metals.

>

> I was looking on the Thorne website

I don't consider anything they have to say to be relevant to the care of human

beings. This

is based on discussions with the authors of some studies, and really looking

over what is

in their combination products.

> for something and came across

> this article.

> http://thorne.com/media/environmental_3_mercury.pdf

>

> It indicated that NAC + PC could chelate as efficiently as DMSA or

> DMPS. It refered to this study.

> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjne/1998/00000008/0000

> 0003/art00003

>

> " Based on the increase in urinary Hg concentrations after single

> doses, compared with controls, the order of efficacy was: DMPS plus K

> Cit., NAC plus K Cit. and DMSA (each producing an increase of 163%),

> then in descending order, DMSA plus K Cit., DMPS, NAC and K Cit. "

>

> If this is the case then one might be able to use these supplements

> (which can be easily obtained at a supplement store) and not have to

> get DMSA or DMPS.

>

> Any comments?

Stick to what works. ALA, optoinally with DMPS or DMSA.

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > I'll have to search some more, but has Andy talked about using N-

> > acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) and potassium citrate together as a

chelator?

When I first realised I had a mercury problem, and before I read AI, I

was advised to take cysteine. The conversation went something like

this: " Start chelating straight away, its safe even before all yr

amalgams are removed. Start the clean up now! "

That seriously screwed me up. It took two months to recover from

taking 3 capsules in 1 day.

Never again will I take that stuff. It really hurt me.

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

>

>

> When I first realised I had a mercury problem, and before I read AI, I

> was advised to take cysteine. The conversation went something like

> this: " Start chelating straight away, its safe even before all yr

> amalgams are removed. Start the clean up now! "

>

> That seriously screwed me up. It took two months to recover from

> taking 3 capsules in 1 day.

>

> Never again will I take that stuff. It really hurt me.

>

Yeah, I forgot. People who already have a high plasma cysteine and

can't tolerate sulfur foods can't tolerate supplemental cysteine. It

isn't a chelator; it acts like a sulfur food (because of the single

S-H group) and weakly drags mercury around creating damage and symptoms.

J

> Sunshine

>