Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 In a message dated 8/7/2002 6:49:46 PM Central Daylight Time, marib005@... writes: > Also, how long > > does it take to clear up the bacteria(generally) and do you > continue > > to give probi's everyday or just when they have antibiotics? > > I give my son 2 capsules ProCulture Gold morning and again in the evening. If I lessen this amount, he becomes less social, more irritable. This amount is far more than what is normally recommended, but is what it took to get his Clostridia Difficile under control. And my son has (incredibly) never, ever been on antibiotics. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 You mean besides the horrible smell? My younger son lost his " body odor " which was most likely a smell/toxin thing too. He had less headaches and felt better so he stopped bouncing his head and being so lethargic. Less whiney resistance to transitions. I would think you would see less of whatever behavior she does as a " stim " or to deal with feeling uncomfortable. He homework/schoolwork really picked up too. I had him on 60 billion a day of Culturelle for awhile - his case must have been really bad - but when we started on the colloidal silver he felt sick for 2-3 days and then by the 4th day he " snapped " out of it. If you are doing just probiotics and not an antibiotic with it, it may take longer. I am not quite clear on giving probiotics and antibiotics at the same time. Some say giving the antibiotics will just wipe out the probiotics, so wait until the end of the antibiotics and THEN give a good amount of antibiotics, but I have also heard to give them at the time. I did not give the Culturelle while on the silver myself. For my son, he never had the rounds of antibiotics when he was little - maybe a couple rounds. It was the other son that lived on amoxillian for one year. I think it was the eating problems/faulty digestion leading to constipation which developed into encopresis which strongly favors bacteria overgrowth. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 > For those of you who have done this-what sort of improvements did you > see once the bacteria was cleared up? I have ordered Culturelle for > my daughter(her OAT screening recommended 10billion a day) and am > curious what this will do for her. She does not have a problem with > her bm's (odor or formation) but does do quite a bit of stimming and > I read that bacteria overgrowth can cause this. I would love to hear > if this cleared up/improved in any of your children. Also, how long > does it take to clear up the bacteria(generally) and do you continue > to give probi's everyday or just when they have antibiotics? I give my son acidophilos every day, mid day. What do > you think caused the overgrowth in your kids in the first place? Can > multiple shots do this in infancy? Too much antibiotics? I am > kicking myself right now for not testing my daughter sooner. You can only handle so much at a time. Good luck, Let us know how it goes nne The > blurb in the explanation from GP on what her test results mean listed > working in chemicals and glue sniffing as reasons(along with bad > bacteria) for something found in her urine...this just horrifies me > that something that bad is in my little girl's body. To think some > bad bacteria can be as damaging as sniffing glue. Oy. Thanks for > your help!! > > > PS. I have a 9(almost 10) month old son who is being vaccinated on a > slow pace schedule...I am planning on checking titers with him and > not giving him the MMR but...when he does get a shot do you think it > would be beneficial to give him probiotics first? He is very healthy > and has never had antibiotics-he's only been sick with one very mild > cold in his life-I want to keep him this way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Do you know if there is any chance that the bacteria could somehow lead to sinus infections? Or is that completely unrelated? My daughter had one on top of another this past spring and she's never had problems with them before. I don't really see the problems you listed...only an ocassional headache and the stimming I mentioned before. Maybe because her case is milder? It honestly surprised me it was bacteria and not yeast. Must be the symptoms she had before were caused by phenols. My daughter has actually been fabulous and her speech is amazing lately! Tonight her father was reading her a book and he mispronounced a word and before he could correct himself-she corrected him!! It was great!! > You mean besides the horrible smell? My younger son lost his " body odor " > which was most likely a smell/toxin thing too. He had less headaches and > felt better so he stopped bouncing his head and being so lethargic. Less > whiney resistance to transitions. I would think you would see less of > whatever behavior she does as a " stim " or to deal with feeling > uncomfortable. He homework/schoolwork really picked up too. I had him on 60 > billion a day of Culturelle for awhile - his case must have been really > bad - but when we started on the colloidal silver he felt sick for 2-3 days > and then by the 4th day he " snapped " out of it. If you are doing just > probiotics and not an antibiotic with it, it may take longer. > > I am not quite clear on giving probiotics and antibiotics at the same time. > Some say giving the antibiotics will just wipe out the probiotics, so wait > until the end of the antibiotics and THEN give a good amount of antibiotics, > but I have also heard to give them at the time. I did not give the > Culturelle while on the silver myself. > > For my son, he never had the rounds of antibiotics when he was little - > maybe a couple rounds. It was the other son that lived on amoxillian for one > year. I think it was the eating problems/faulty digestion leading to > constipation which developed into encopresis which strongly favors bacteria > overgrowth. > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 > For those of you who have done this-what sort of improvements did you > see once the bacteria was cleared up? For my son, bacteria and yeast and [before chelation] phenols all cause the same sorts of behaviors. http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm I have ordered Culturelle for > my daughter(her OAT screening recommended 10billion a day) and am > curious what this will do for her. Culturelle appears to be the only probiotic my kids tolerate, and I have heard good things about using it especially for bacteria issues. She does not have a problem with > her bm's (odor or formation) but does do quite a bit of stimming and > I read that bacteria overgrowth can cause this. I would love to hear > if this cleared up/improved in any of your children. Also, how long > does it take to clear up the bacteria(generally) and do you continue > to give probi's everyday or just when they have antibiotics? What do > you think caused the overgrowth in your kids in the first place? Can > multiple shots do this in infancy? Too much antibiotics? Multiple vax, antibiotics, my kids get bacteria now, instead of yeast, with every round of chelation. > PS. I have a 9(almost 10) month old son who is being vaccinated on a > slow pace schedule...I am planning on checking titers with him and > not giving him the MMR but... Good ideas. Also ensure each vax he receives, does NOT contain thimerosal. http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/myvaxopn.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 > Do you know if there is any chance that the bacteria could somehow > lead to sinus infections? Or is that completely unrelated? My > daughter had one on top of another this past spring and she's never > had problems with them before. For my #4 child, when her intestinal bacteria problem is present, she also gets goopy green discharge in her eyes. So yes, I would say that bacteria can present in the sinuses also. > > I don't really see the problems you listed...only an ocassional > headache and the stimming I mentioned before. Maybe because her case > is milder? It honestly surprised me it was bacteria and not yeast. > Must be the symptoms she had before were caused by phenols. I get major headaches with nitrites/nitrates and artificial colors/flavors, and my kids are affected by these also, even with enzymes, altho they are affected different from me. But you can consider removing those if she is still eating them. My > daughter has actually been fabulous and her speech is amazing lately! > Tonight her father was reading her a book and he mispronounced a word > and before he could correct himself-she corrected him!! It was > great!! Yay! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 > For my #4 child, when her intestinal bacteria problem is present, she > also gets goopy green discharge in her eyes. So yes, I would say that > bacteria can present in the sinuses also That makes so much sense. I wonder if her constant stuffy/runny nose problems are related also. She takes Claratin but I've never felt it really did the trick. When she was preschool age I remember her getting goopy green discharge in her eyes. It wasn't conjunctivitus and the dr said her sinuses had " backed up " into her eyes. I had never heard of such a thing. Maybe it was bacteria then,too. Thanks so much for your help. I'm glad to hear the Culturelle is tolerated by your kids. This makes me feel more confident my daughter will tolerate it ok. I am wondering now if some of the behavior I have blamed on phenols was actually bacteria related. I guess only time will tell. One more question-do you give the Culturelle with enzymes/food or by itself? --- In @y..., " danaatty " <danaatty@y...> wrote: > > > Do you know if there is any chance that the bacteria could somehow > > lead to sinus infections? Or is that completely unrelated? My > > daughter had one on top of another this past spring and she's never > > had problems with them before. > > > For my #4 child, when her intestinal bacteria problem is present, she > also gets goopy green discharge in her eyes. So yes, I would say that > bacteria can present in the sinuses also. > > > > > > I don't really see the problems you listed...only an ocassional > > headache and the stimming I mentioned before. Maybe because her case > > is milder? It honestly surprised me it was bacteria and not yeast. > > Must be the symptoms she had before were caused by phenols. > > > I get major headaches with nitrites/nitrates and artificial > colors/flavors, and my kids are affected by these also, even with > enzymes, altho they are affected different from me. But you can > consider removing those if she is still eating them. > > > My > > daughter has actually been fabulous and her speech is amazing > lately! > > Tonight her father was reading her a book and he mispronounced a > word > > and before he could correct himself-she corrected him!! It was > > great!! > > > Yay! > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 Debbie, We give our 3 1/2 yr. old (32 lb.) son 1 capsule of Pro-Bio Gold. His yeast is building up from the chelation. Did you see any side effects from giving him 2 capsules a day? Jean Re: Re: Bacteria treatment In a message dated 8/7/2002 6:49:46 PM Central Daylight Time, marib005@... writes: > Also, how long > > does it take to clear up the bacteria(generally) and do you > continue > > to give probi's everyday or just when they have antibiotics? > > I give my son 2 capsules ProCulture Gold morning and again in the evening. If I lessen this amount, he becomes less social, more irritable. This amount is far more than what is normally recommended, but is what it took to get his Clostridia Difficile under control. And my son has (incredibly) never, ever been on antibiotics. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 One more question-do you give the Culturelle with > enzymes/food or by itself? > I always give everything with enzymes, because my kids tolerate basically nothing without enzymes. My #3 and #4 are starting to be able to eat foods without enzymes, but not #2, at least not yet. I have not seen a problem giving Culturelle with enzymes, it still works for yeast/bacteria issues, but some kids need enzymes at a different time as probiotics. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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