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Liver tox test is financially out of the question for me. I have to

figure that one out the hard way. So help from all of you is very

welcome.

I am very sensitive to a lot of things. Gluten intolerant with no

family history of it, started 2 years ago out of the blue. The

antidepressant cymbalta has a starting dose of 30mg...I could handle

no more than 3 eensy weensy mg. It was insane. St s Wort...I can

handle 75mg sort of, but no way 300mg to 900mg. Strange, because 5

years ago SJW worked awesome for me and now it feels like poison.

Ginkgo biloba, same pattern. Actually, everything...vitamins, some

minerals (magnesium is real bad), herbs of all kinds, amino acids. The

only things I seem to handle ok are modestly medium doses of ester C,

zinc, selenium, and molybdenum. I can only handle about 100% RDA of B

vitamin complexes. I see recommendations to take B25 or B50 and I just

grimace and say, yeah, right.

So, whether all this is slow phase I slow phase II, or fast phase I

slow phase II, or what, I don't know. I just instinctively intuitively

know there is a bottlejam there somewhere in the metabolism of things.

What supplements could I try in order to get a better picture based on

reactions to those supplements? I've heard of are grapefruit juice or

niacinimide or niacin, but I don't know what they do, and I don't know

what other things are out there besides those. I've heard mention of

licorice, which is very nasty to me.

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> So, whether all this is slow phase I slow phase II, or fast phase I

> slow phase II, or what, I don't know. I just instinctively

intuitively know there is a bottlejam there somewhere in the

metabolism of things.

> What supplements could I try in order to get a better picture based

on reactions to those supplements? I've heard of are grapefruit

juice or niacinimide or niacin, but I don't know what they do, and I

don't know what other things are out there besides those. I've heard

mention of licorice, which is very nasty to me.

MY REGIMENT IN THE MCS-FAST PHASE 1-SLOW PHASE 2 dilemma

My Background-49 years old, 25 years of allergy shots, a mouthful of

fillings that are leaking and 40 years of nose drop/spray abuse (for

bad alergies plugged nasal passgaes) and 15 years of being a diet

coke addict (drank literally gallons a day). I now realize/think I am

lucky to be alive and am optimistic for the first time in many years

that I can beat this by cleaning up my liver which I think given

thats its still working after this abuse it's gotta be strong

3-8 months ago I developed extreme MCS symptoms (I had it mild for

the last 5 years but did not realize what it was); however in taking

cilantro-chorella and heavy sulphur food diet, I think it was

aggravated to the point where I could almost physically not work and

was mentally wasted (very depressed, suicidal, severe brain fog...

could not think clearly to pay bills ; was overwhelmed talking on the

phone etc etc)

My health has been extremely bad for the last 4 years and was

probably just very bad for the last 10 years (fatigue. always tired

and depressed) had lymes, liver flukes, and who knos what the hell

else

I feel like almost a new person after only 2+ months of AI and help

from this forum. I started the AI protocol after the Labour day

weekend. I am getting my fillings out starting this week. I can now

function and am not nerely as depressed. No marathons yet and am

still pretty weak but at least i can function and am feeling optimism

Its hard to tell what effect each of the supplements I am taking have

had, BUT I broke Andy's book down by reading from the index by

supplement, and by symptom/topic.... otherwise it was too much for my

brain at the time

So here is what i have followed

***** eliminated sulphur foods; no eggs, asparagus, cauliflower,

leeks, brussel sprouts and a few others that I cannot think of

I think Ai says that sulphur foods can aggravate MCS

***** also follow SCD diet, basically organic meat, vergetables and

fruit. NO PROCESSED FOODS and NO sulphur foods even though on the SCD

diet many are Ok. I have some caffeine tea (which is Ok on the SCD

diet BUT I actually think caffeine is bad for your liver so I try to

limit it. NO carbs, no refined sugar, nothing in a package or can

*****AI-Andy recommends niacinamide and grapefruit juice and

selenomethionine. I take these in 3-4 doses through the day. Usually

1500 of niacinamide (Times 3-4) , 1000 mcg of selenomethionine; and a

few mouthfuls of organic grapefruit juice. I believe niacinamide and

grapefruit juice slow down phase 1 or maybe its speed up phase 2; I

just know it helps. I stoped all the supplements for almost 2 weeks

having blood tests and all my symptoms came back with a vengeance

I believe the selenomethionine is one thing that Andy recommends as

binding to mercury and rendering it inert

****zinc (I was taking 50 a dose) at 3-4 doses a day. I know this is

higher than AI suggests but I alos know from the zinc taste test

taken 6 weeks after I had been doing this dosage that i was/am still

zinc deficient. my hair tests showed zinc and selenium deficiency

with what i believe are normal mineral transport results

***I have taurine deficiency from amino acid tests. Tuarine and zinc

from what i have read work synergistically in the brain as an

antioxidant. I take 1000 mgs (3 times a day)

*** I also take 5-6 tablespoons of fish oil and flax oil. Borage oil

did not seem to help me. Again this is per AI protcol. Andy says your

brain gets fried (I am not sure if these are his words) and it can

take months to lubricate with fish oil/flax oil

*** I have low DHEA from adrenal tests. DHEA messed me u and there is

a section in the AI book that I believe says if you have a liver

sulfate problem you may have a reaction to dhea and then suggest

trying epsom salts orally. These oral epsom salts made me ill.

in a recent post suggested epsom salt baths. I think these

epsom salts help phase 2 from what i can interpret from AI. I have

been doing them for two days and think i feel better and it has

helped me sleep

*** 10 mgs of melatonin.(2 doses of 5 mg, one at about 9:00pm and the

other one at 9:30 pm) this really helps me sleep.I still wake up but

usually can go back to sleep

*** chromium pocolinate to reduce my blood sugar, it has been in the

high range for the last 3 years and no dopey dr ever said anything

about it. I take 2 doses of 200 mcg . Andy's book recommends this as

well

**bromelain, Avena minerals and other ewnzymes for my stomach. I

still have problems digesting some foods (mostly raw fruits and

vegtables). I belive SCD diet recommends cooking these to assist

metabolism

**swiss kriss and organic psyllium for constipation

I have spent the last two months cross referencing Andy's book by

topic from the index and just my own reading. If anyone wants me to

email this summary to them pls email me. Having this organized by

topic has helped me keep it all straight

sorry for the long post but I think we have to treat all components

of our deficiencies and its hard to tell where one benefit stops and

others start. good luck

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> So, whether all this is slow phase I slow phase II, or fast phase I

> slow phase II, or what, I don't know. I just instinctively

intuitively know there is a bottlejam there somewhere in the

metabolism of things.

> What supplements could I try in order to get a better picture based

on reactions to those supplements? I've heard of are grapefruit

juice or niacinimide or niacin, but I don't know what they do, and I

don't know what other things are out there besides those. I've heard

mention of licorice, which is very nasty to me.

MY REGIMENT IN THE MCS-FAST PHASE 1-SLOW PHASE 2 dilemma

My Background-49 years old, 25 years of allergy shots, a mouthful of

fillings that are leaking and 40 years of nose drop/spray abuse (for

bad alergies plugged nasal passgaes) and 15 years of being a diet

coke addict (drank literally gallons a day). I now realize/think I am

lucky to be alive and am optimistic for the first time in many years

that I can beat this by cleaning up my liver which I think given

thats its still working after this abuse it's gotta be strong

3-8 months ago I developed extreme MCS symptoms (I had it mild for

the last 5 years but did not realize what it was); however in taking

cilantro-chorella and heavy sulphur food diet, I think it was

aggravated to the point where I could almost physically not work and

was mentally wasted (very depressed, suicidal, severe brain fog...

could not think clearly to pay bills ; was overwhelmed talking on the

phone etc etc)

My health has been extremely bad for the last 4 years and was

probably just very bad for the last 10 years (fatigue. always tired

and depressed) had lymes, liver flukes, and who knos what the hell

else

I feel like almost a new person after only 2+ months of AI and help

from this forum. I started the AI protocol after the Labour day

weekend. I am getting my fillings out starting this week. I can now

function and am not nerely as depressed. No marathons yet and am

still pretty weak but at least i can function and am feeling optimism

Its hard to tell what effect each of the supplements I am taking have

had, BUT I broke Andy's book down by reading from the index by

supplement, and by symptom/topic.... otherwise it was too much for my

brain at the time

So here is what i have followed

***** eliminated sulphur foods; no eggs, asparagus, cauliflower,

leeks, brussel sprouts and a few others that I cannot think of

I think Ai says that sulphur foods can aggravate MCS

***** also follow SCD diet, basically organic meat, vergetables and

fruit. NO PROCESSED FOODS and NO sulphur foods even though on the SCD

diet many are Ok. I have some caffeine tea (which is Ok on the SCD

diet BUT I actually think caffeine is bad for your liver so I try to

limit it. NO carbs, no refined sugar, nothing in a package or can

*****AI-Andy recommends niacinamide and grapefruit juice and

selenomethionine. I take these in 3-4 doses through the day. Usually

1500 of niacinamide (Times 3-4) , 1000 mcg of selenomethionine; and a

few mouthfuls of organic grapefruit juice. I believe niacinamide and

grapefruit juice slow down phase 1 or maybe its speed up phase 2; I

just know it helps. I stoped all the supplements for almost 2 weeks

having blood tests and all my symptoms came back with a vengeance

I believe the selenomethionine is one thing that Andy recommends as

binding to mercury and rendering it inert

****zinc (I was taking 50 a dose) at 3-4 doses a day. I know this is

higher than AI suggests but I alos know from the zinc taste test

taken 6 weeks after I had been doing this dosage that i was/am still

zinc deficient. my hair tests showed zinc and selenium deficiency

with what i believe are normal mineral transport results

***I have taurine deficiency from amino acid tests. Tuarine and zinc

from what i have read work synergistically in the brain as an

antioxidant. I take 1000 mgs (3 times a day)

*** I also take 5-6 tablespoons of fish oil and flax oil. Borage oil

did not seem to help me. Again this is per AI protcol. Andy says your

brain gets fried (I am not sure if these are his words) and it can

take months to lubricate with fish oil/flax oil

*** I have low DHEA from adrenal tests. DHEA messed me u and there is

a section in the AI book that I believe says if you have a liver

sulfate problem you may have a reaction to dhea and then suggest

trying epsom salts orally. These oral epsom salts made me ill.

in a recent post suggested epsom salt baths. I think these

epsom salts help phase 2 from what i can interpret from AI. I have

been doing them for two days and think i feel better and it has

helped me sleep

*** 10 mgs of melatonin.(2 doses of 5 mg, one at about 9:00pm and the

other one at 9:30 pm) this really helps me sleep.I still wake up but

usually can go back to sleep

*** chromium pocolinate to reduce my blood sugar, it has been in the

high range for the last 3 years and no dopey dr ever said anything

about it. I take 2 doses of 200 mcg . Andy's book recommends this as

well

**bromelain, Avena minerals and other ewnzymes for my stomach. I

still have problems digesting some foods (mostly raw fruits and

vegtables). I belive SCD diet recommends cooking these to assist

metabolism

**swiss kriss and organic psyllium for constipation

I have spent the last two months cross referencing Andy's book by

topic from the index and just my own reading. If anyone wants me to

email this summary to them pls email me. Having this organized by

topic has helped me keep it all straight

sorry for the long post but I think we have to treat all components

of our deficiencies and its hard to tell where one benefit stops and

others start. good luck

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Just wanted to comment on a couple of items below:

> *** I also take 5-6 tablespoons of fish oil and flax oil. Borage oil

> did not seem to help me. Again this is per AI protcol. Andy says your

> brain gets fried (I am not sure if these are his words) and it can

> take months to lubricate with fish oil/flax oil

This has helped me a lot too. My brain was really fried at one

point. I drink a lot of fish oil and it has really helped my

brain. I still need a lot. I expect we will continue needing it

as long as our brains and bodies are under reconstruction via

chelation.

> *** I have low DHEA from adrenal tests. DHEA messed me u and there is

> a section in the AI book that I believe says if you have a liver

> sulfate problem you may have a reaction to dhea and then suggest

> trying epsom salts orally. These oral epsom salts made me ill.

> in a recent post suggested epsom salt baths. I think these

> epsom salts help phase 2 from what i can interpret from AI. I have

> been doing them for two days and think i feel better and it has

> helped me sleep

You will get both sulfate and magnesium from the epsom salts. The

mag is more likely to help with sleep. The sulfate will help with

liver issues. If you can't do the baths every day, you can get

epsom salt cream to use some of the time in addition to baths.

www.kirkmanlabs.com sells it.

> **bromelain, Avena minerals and other ewnzymes for my stomach. I

> still have problems digesting some foods (mostly raw fruits and

> vegtables). I belive SCD diet recommends cooking these to assist

> metabolism

This is a high sulfur supplement. (See AI p. 146)

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Just wanted to comment on a couple of items below:

> *** I also take 5-6 tablespoons of fish oil and flax oil. Borage oil

> did not seem to help me. Again this is per AI protcol. Andy says your

> brain gets fried (I am not sure if these are his words) and it can

> take months to lubricate with fish oil/flax oil

This has helped me a lot too. My brain was really fried at one

point. I drink a lot of fish oil and it has really helped my

brain. I still need a lot. I expect we will continue needing it

as long as our brains and bodies are under reconstruction via

chelation.

> *** I have low DHEA from adrenal tests. DHEA messed me u and there is

> a section in the AI book that I believe says if you have a liver

> sulfate problem you may have a reaction to dhea and then suggest

> trying epsom salts orally. These oral epsom salts made me ill.

> in a recent post suggested epsom salt baths. I think these

> epsom salts help phase 2 from what i can interpret from AI. I have

> been doing them for two days and think i feel better and it has

> helped me sleep

You will get both sulfate and magnesium from the epsom salts. The

mag is more likely to help with sleep. The sulfate will help with

liver issues. If you can't do the baths every day, you can get

epsom salt cream to use some of the time in addition to baths.

www.kirkmanlabs.com sells it.

> **bromelain, Avena minerals and other ewnzymes for my stomach. I

> still have problems digesting some foods (mostly raw fruits and

> vegtables). I belive SCD diet recommends cooking these to assist

> metabolism

This is a high sulfur supplement. (See AI p. 146)

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> Liver tox test is financially out of the question for me. I have to

> figure that one out the hard way. So help from all of you is very

> welcome.

>

> I am very sensitive to a lot of things. Gluten intolerant with no

You probably have a dysbiosis problem and clearing it up might

eventually improve your tolerance of gluten. I'm not aware of any

way this could be related to liver metabolism.

> family history of it, started 2 years ago out of the blue. The

> antidepressant cymbalta has a starting dose of 30mg...I could handle

> no more than 3 eensy weensy mg. It was insane. St s Wort...I can

> handle 75mg sort of, but no way 300mg to 900mg. Strange, because 5

You might want to look at http://medicine.iupui.edu/flockhart/table.htm

to see which liver pathways metabolize these things. Might help you

predict which other drugs you will have trouble with, and which ones

you may do better with. (Andy has this chart in the book, but the

online version is current.)

> years ago SJW worked awesome for me and now it feels like poison.

> Ginkgo biloba, same pattern. Actually, everything...vitamins, some

> minerals (magnesium is real bad), herbs of all kinds, amino acids. The

> only things I seem to handle ok are modestly medium doses of ester C,

> zinc, selenium, and molybdenum. I can only handle about 100% RDA of B

> vitamin complexes. I see recommendations to take B25 or B50 and I just

> grimace and say, yeah, right.

There are various reasons for intolerance, not just liver metabolism.

Magnesium you may have to start with small doses and don't use

oxide. You may find some forms better than others - citrate and

glycinate are commonly used, malate is another. You can also try

getting magnesium through topical use of epsom salts or magnesium

oil.

With all of the supplements, you could be intolerant to the main

ingredient, but sometimes it is other ingredients/fillers. If you

have a leaky gut, you can get intolerant to a whole bunch of stuff

and you have to fix the leaky gut to prevent developing more

intolerances.

NAET can help with intolerances for some people. www.naet.com

Bioset is a similar method, and there are some others.

Some people need to use the coenzyme forms of B vitamins, such as

pantethine or p5p.

> So, whether all this is slow phase I slow phase II, or fast phase I

> slow phase II, or what, I don't know. I just instinctively intuitively

> know there is a bottlejam there somewhere in the metabolism of things.

>

> What supplements could I try in order to get a better picture based on

> reactions to those supplements? I've heard of are grapefruit juice or

> niacinimide or niacin, but I don't know what they do, and I don't know

> what other things are out there besides those. I've heard mention of

> licorice, which is very nasty to me.

The drug reactions could be liver metabolism issues, not sure about

the supplement reactions, those can have lots of reasons.

Grapefruit juice and niacinamide slow down phase 1. This reduces

reactions for people who have problems caused by fast phase 1.

Niacin is hard on the liver and should not be used. Anxiety is a

common reaction with fast phase 1. Other symptoms are possible, too.

If you read the relevant sections in Amalgam Illness it should

give you some clue about whether your problems are due to liver

metabolism problems, and you can experiment with some of Andy's

suggestions to see if they help.

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> > **bromelain, Avena minerals and other ewnzymes for my stomach. I

> > still have problems digesting some foods (mostly raw fruits and

> > vegtables). I belive SCD diet recommends cooking these to assist

> > metabolism

This is a high sulfur supplement. (See AI p. 146)

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thank you. is it just the Bromelain and Papain that are high in sulphur

components? any recommendations for enzymes that have the animal

derived products or protease enzymes that page 146 mentions

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> The drug reactions could be liver metabolism issues, not sure about

> the supplement reactions, those can have lots of reasons.

It could be a mercury induced Gilbert's. In Gilberts the 'glucoronidation'

phase 2 pathway is out/slow.

Gilbert's people can't tolerate high dosages of B-vitamins and some other

supplements.

The only thing that helps this is thyroid hormone that I'm aware off.

Does thyroid hormone speed up phase 2 in general?

And Cortisol slow phase 1 in general?

I get the feeling that is true, but have no references.

Thanks,

Dean

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