Re: OT- Cavitations and mercury traces

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

tissue around it " .

When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

- I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation, just because I

thought that was part of the Huggins total dental revision protocol, and that

someone following his protocol wouldn't leave a cavitation in the mouth,

especially from a root canal. Did you have any other cavitations cleaned

out?----------Jackie

My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with mercury is

going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue farther away. JMO. So

there being a higher concentration of it around a root canal that had it makes

sense to me. But as long as its not big chunks of it, I think chelation will

eventually clear these tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a

cavitation around a root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the

dead or infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there. So,

IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation would be enough to

stop you from chelating. All of us who have had amalgams have mercury in our

surrounding tissues, and that's what chelation is for, to help remove

it.------------Jackie

Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

about 6 months ago?

-------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were grain free?

How about before you went grain free and you still had amalgams?----------Jackie

Thanks

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

tissue around it " .

When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

- I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation, just because I

thought that was part of the Huggins total dental revision protocol, and that

someone following his protocol wouldn't leave a cavitation in the mouth,

especially from a root canal. Did you have any other cavitations cleaned

out?----------Jackie

My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with mercury is

going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue farther away. JMO. So

there being a higher concentration of it around a root canal that had it makes

sense to me. But as long as its not big chunks of it, I think chelation will

eventually clear these tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a

cavitation around a root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the

dead or infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there. So,

IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation would be enough to

stop you from chelating. All of us who have had amalgams have mercury in our

surrounding tissues, and that's what chelation is for, to help remove

it.------------Jackie

Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

about 6 months ago?

-------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were grain free?

How about before you went grain free and you still had amalgams?----------Jackie

Thanks

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

tissue around it " .

When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

- I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation, just because I

thought that was part of the Huggins total dental revision protocol, and that

someone following his protocol wouldn't leave a cavitation in the mouth,

especially from a root canal. Did you have any other cavitations cleaned

out?----------Jackie

My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with mercury is

going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue farther away. JMO. So

there being a higher concentration of it around a root canal that had it makes

sense to me. But as long as its not big chunks of it, I think chelation will

eventually clear these tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a

cavitation around a root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the

dead or infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there. So,

IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation would be enough to

stop you from chelating. All of us who have had amalgams have mercury in our

surrounding tissues, and that's what chelation is for, to help remove

it.------------Jackie

Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

about 6 months ago?

-------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were grain free?

How about before you went grain free and you still had amalgams?----------Jackie

Thanks

[Guest guest]

> In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

> on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

> amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

> bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

> requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

> tissue around it " .

This is known as an appecetomy. It is done when infection from a root canal

(which is always infected to a greater or lessor degree anyway), or the

gutta percha perforates the root-tip. Mercury is used to seal the root tip

to 'keep the infection inside'.

This is the worst form of root canal and possibly amalgam poisoning.

> When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

> last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

> x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

> the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

> root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

> canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

> cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

> - I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

I cannot think of a reason why he would not want to address this issue. It

would remove an area of toxicity from your body that can be harming you.

No matter it can be cleaned under the bridge without the bridge being

removed by a skilled dental surgeon.

The just go in a little from the side.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

No, you would see the mercury on x-ray in this situation. You can start

chelation, though I would still get a PAN to make sure that your whole mouth

is amalgam free. Of course you would need to be sure under the crowns is

mercury-free also.

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above?

It can be, but there are many possibilities for this one.

>Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

Yes, that is a possibility. Certainly there is some inflammatory response.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

> In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

> on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

> amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

> bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

> requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

> tissue around it " .

This is known as an appecetomy. It is done when infection from a root canal

(which is always infected to a greater or lessor degree anyway), or the

gutta percha perforates the root-tip. Mercury is used to seal the root tip

to 'keep the infection inside'.

This is the worst form of root canal and possibly amalgam poisoning.

> When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

> last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

> x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

> the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

> root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

> canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

> cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

> - I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

I cannot think of a reason why he would not want to address this issue. It

would remove an area of toxicity from your body that can be harming you.

No matter it can be cleaned under the bridge without the bridge being

removed by a skilled dental surgeon.

The just go in a little from the side.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

No, you would see the mercury on x-ray in this situation. You can start

chelation, though I would still get a PAN to make sure that your whole mouth

is amalgam free. Of course you would need to be sure under the crowns is

mercury-free also.

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above?

It can be, but there are many possibilities for this one.

>Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

Yes, that is a possibility. Certainly there is some inflammatory response.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

> In AI, Dr. Cutler states on page 83 that, " root tip amalgam shows up

> on x-rays " . Then on pg 82, " any tooth which has had a retrograde

> amalgam filling of a root canal (amalgam surgically placed in the

> bottom tip of the tooth to seal it) has a reasonable likelihood of

> requiring cavitational surgery to remove the mercury impregnated

> tissue around it " .

This is known as an appecetomy. It is done when infection from a root canal

(which is always infected to a greater or lessor degree anyway), or the

gutta percha perforates the root-tip. Mercury is used to seal the root tip

to 'keep the infection inside'.

This is the worst form of root canal and possibly amalgam poisoning.

> When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

> last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

> x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

> the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

> root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

> canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

> cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

> - I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

I cannot think of a reason why he would not want to address this issue. It

would remove an area of toxicity from your body that can be harming you.

No matter it can be cleaned under the bridge without the bridge being

removed by a skilled dental surgeon.

The just go in a little from the side.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start chelation.

No, you would see the mercury on x-ray in this situation. You can start

chelation, though I would still get a PAN to make sure that your whole mouth

is amalgam free. Of course you would need to be sure under the crowns is

mercury-free also.

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above?

It can be, but there are many possibilities for this one.

>Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

Yes, that is a possibility. Certainly there is some inflammatory response.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

>

> > When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

> > last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

> > x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

> > the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

> > root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

> > canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

> > cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

> > - I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

>

> I cannot think of a reason why he would not want to address this

issue. It

> would remove an area of toxicity from your body that can be harming you.

> No matter it can be cleaned under the bridge without the bridge being

> removed by a skilled dental surgeon.

> They just go in a little from the side.

>

That is what he told me. I am wondering if it was because I only had 2

weeks since I traveled to have the work done - he was to decide on my

case only after seeing me personally (even though I sent my x-rays in

advance alongwith my detailed case history).

>

> > My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> > though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

> No, you would see the mercury on x-ray in this situation. You can start

> chelation, though I would still get a PAN to make sure that your

whole mouth

> is amalgam free. Of course you would need to be sure under the

crowns is

> mercury-free also.

>

I did take two PAN xrays to show him, so I am assuming he made his

judgement based on these xrays as well as the ones he took in his clinic.

>

>

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > When I visited the holisitic dentist recommended by Huggins' clinic

> > last November to fill all the gaps for about 8 teeth, he said the

> > x-rays (not panoramic x-rays) he took did not show any mercury left in

> > the mouth, BUT he did say that I had a cavitation in the area where a

> > root-canaled tooth had been extracted around May '07. This root

> > canaled tooth also had a nickel post. He did not want to remove the

> > cavitation. He felt if needed it could be done somewhere down the road

> > - I now have a four tooth bridge over this area.

>

> I cannot think of a reason why he would not want to address this

issue. It

> would remove an area of toxicity from your body that can be harming you.

> No matter it can be cleaned under the bridge without the bridge being

> removed by a skilled dental surgeon.

> They just go in a little from the side.

>

That is what he told me. I am wondering if it was because I only had 2

weeks since I traveled to have the work done - he was to decide on my

case only after seeing me personally (even though I sent my x-rays in

advance alongwith my detailed case history).

>

> > My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> > though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

> No, you would see the mercury on x-ray in this situation. You can start

> chelation, though I would still get a PAN to make sure that your

whole mouth

> is amalgam free. Of course you would need to be sure under the

crowns is

> mercury-free also.

>

I did take two PAN xrays to show him, so I am assuming he made his

judgement based on these xrays as well as the ones he took in his clinic.

>

>

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

[Guest guest]

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

[Guest guest]

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

----------Yes, maybe there wasn't enough time to do everything. Can you

pursue this and set up another visit sometime? I personally haven't had any

cavitational work done yet, no root canals, just possible wisdom teeth

extraction sites, so a little harder to decide if it's worth it. But everything

I have read about root canals, I would definitely have it done for one of them.

And DeanSA seems to have alot of experience with this.----------Jackie

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

-------------Yes hidden amalgam does cause problems and should be found and

removed. And I'm sorry, my memory hasn't been good lately and I don't remember

all of your details, so you have chelated some and when you use ALA you are much

worse? Can you remind me how long since amalgam removal, how long you've been

chelating, using what and at what dosages? But I also thought that reacting to

ALA might be a sign that your body burden isn't low enough yet to use ALA?

Maybe I'm wrong. I guess if you're that concerned, then I would pursue a PAN

x-ray as Dean suggests, and pursue the cavitational cleaning

too.-----------Jackie

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

----------I think there are lots of possibilities here. Remember, amalgam

removal only gets rid of the *constant source* of new mercury, it does nothing

about what is already inside our body. So maybe the burning is still related to

mercury, but maybe it's going to take more chelation to make it go away. I'm

just guessing. You could also go to onibasu and do a search for burning tongue

and see what you find. It seems something like this has come up in the past,

but I don't remember the exact details and what group, etc.------------Jackie

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

----------Yes, maybe there wasn't enough time to do everything. Can you

pursue this and set up another visit sometime? I personally haven't had any

cavitational work done yet, no root canals, just possible wisdom teeth

extraction sites, so a little harder to decide if it's worth it. But everything

I have read about root canals, I would definitely have it done for one of them.

And DeanSA seems to have alot of experience with this.----------Jackie

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

-------------Yes hidden amalgam does cause problems and should be found and

removed. And I'm sorry, my memory hasn't been good lately and I don't remember

all of your details, so you have chelated some and when you use ALA you are much

worse? Can you remind me how long since amalgam removal, how long you've been

chelating, using what and at what dosages? But I also thought that reacting to

ALA might be a sign that your body burden isn't low enough yet to use ALA?

Maybe I'm wrong. I guess if you're that concerned, then I would pursue a PAN

x-ray as Dean suggests, and pursue the cavitational cleaning

too.-----------Jackie

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

----------I think there are lots of possibilities here. Remember, amalgam

removal only gets rid of the *constant source* of new mercury, it does nothing

about what is already inside our body. So maybe the burning is still related to

mercury, but maybe it's going to take more chelation to make it go away. I'm

just guessing. You could also go to onibasu and do a search for burning tongue

and see what you find. It seems something like this has come up in the past,

but I don't remember the exact details and what group, etc.------------Jackie

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>

>

No, I apparently have only this one.

I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

going to remove it.

----------Yes, maybe there wasn't enough time to do everything. Can you

pursue this and set up another visit sometime? I personally haven't had any

cavitational work done yet, no root canals, just possible wisdom teeth

extraction sites, so a little harder to decide if it's worth it. But everything

I have read about root canals, I would definitely have it done for one of them.

And DeanSA seems to have alot of experience with this.----------Jackie

> My question is could I still have mercury in the cavitation area even

> though the x-rays don't show it? I have been waiting to start

chelation.

>

> ------------I think that any tissue that comes into contact with

mercury is going to have a higher concentration of it than tissue

farther away. JMO. So there being a higher concentration of it

around a root canal that had it makes sense to me. But as long as its

not big chunks of it, I think chelation will eventually clear these

tissues of it. So the process of cleaning out a cavitation around a

root canal, would probably serve two purposes, clean out the dead or

infected bone and remove the mercury that had been absorbed there.

So, IMO, I don't think the amount of mercury left in a cavitation

would be enough to stop you from chelating. All of us who have had

amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

>

But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

chelating this way.

-------------Yes hidden amalgam does cause problems and should be found and

removed. And I'm sorry, my memory hasn't been good lately and I don't remember

all of your details, so you have chelated some and when you use ALA you are much

worse? Can you remind me how long since amalgam removal, how long you've been

chelating, using what and at what dosages? But I also thought that reacting to

ALA might be a sign that your body burden isn't low enough yet to use ALA?

Maybe I'm wrong. I guess if you're that concerned, then I would pursue a PAN

x-ray as Dean suggests, and pursue the cavitational cleaning

too.-----------Jackie

>

> Just btw, I have been noticing that the burning mouth (plus swollen

> and dry tongue) I have when I wake up (which eventually disappears on

> brushing), has not gone away even after amalgam removal. Does this

> indicate anything related to the above? Or could it be due to the fact

> that I am no longer staying strictly grain free as I used to till

> about 6 months ago?

>

> -------------I have no idea. Did you not get this when you were

grain free? How about before you went grain free and you still had

amalgams?----------Jackie

>

>

All I can remember is when I had amalgams the burning was there, so I

expected that with the metals gone the burning would slowly stop -

another reason for me to wonder if I have traces of amalgam somewhere

in the mouth!

----------I think there are lots of possibilities here. Remember, amalgam

removal only gets rid of the *constant source* of new mercury, it does nothing

about what is already inside our body. So maybe the burning is still related to

mercury, but maybe it's going to take more chelation to make it go away. I'm

just guessing. You could also go to onibasu and do a search for burning tongue

and see what you find. It seems something like this has come up in the past,

but I don't remember the exact details and what group, etc.------------Jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> All of us who have had

> amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

> chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

> >

>

> But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

> specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

> amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

> chelating this way.

>

> -------------Yes hidden amalgam does cause problems and should be

found and removed. And I'm sorry, my memory hasn't been good lately

and I don't remember all of your details, so you have chelated some

and when you use ALA you are much worse? Can you remind me how long

since amalgam removal, how long you've been chelating, using what and

at what dosages? But I also thought that reacting to ALA might be a

sign that your body burden isn't low enough yet to use ALA? Maybe I'm

wrong. I guess if you're that concerned, then I would pursue a PAN

x-ray as Dean suggests, and pursue the cavitational cleaning

too.-----------Jackie

>

>

I have not started chelation at all. My last amalgam removal was in

July of last year.

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote:

>

> All of us who have had

> amalgams have mercury in our surrounding tissues, and that's what

> chelation is for, to help remove it.------------Jackie

> >

>

> But Dr. Cutler did mention in his book, that if when chelating

> specially with ALA, any nuerological symptoms exacerbated should imply

> amalgam traces in the mouth and that it is not safe to continue

> chelating this way.

>

> -------------Yes hidden amalgam does cause problems and should be

found and removed. And I'm sorry, my memory hasn't been good lately

and I don't remember all of your details, so you have chelated some

and when you use ALA you are much worse? Can you remind me how long

since amalgam removal, how long you've been chelating, using what and

at what dosages? But I also thought that reacting to ALA might be a

sign that your body burden isn't low enough yet to use ALA? Maybe I'm

wrong. I guess if you're that concerned, then I would pursue a PAN

x-ray as Dean suggests, and pursue the cavitational cleaning

too.-----------Jackie

>

>

I have not started chelation at all. My last amalgam removal was in

July of last year.

-----------Ok, I didn't think you had done any chelation yet, but the way you

were talking about ALA, I couldn't remember for sure, so wanted to ask. I don't

want to make light of your situation here, but you may be jumping the gun here,

and imagining possible problems that you may not have. I'm guessing you have

alot of anxiety about even trying chelation, and hence the fear of having any

amalgam left anywhere? This can be a scary venture into the unknown, and only

you can decide when you're ready to take that leap of faith, but remember, many

of us here have done it and we are here for you. If you are reasonably certain

that your dentist has removed all amalgam, even without the cavitation cleaned,

then I think it's reasonable to try a round of chelation at a very low dose. If

you react with symptoms you don't like, then pursue looking for traces of

amalgam using a PAN x-ray as Dean mentions, and possibly getting that cavitation

cleaned out. It can take a litttle experimenting with dosage and timing to find

what's right for you, but you might just be pleasantly surprised and find that

you feel better on round. That's what happened to me, so I'm glad I got started

and didn't put it off. You can start/try a very low dose, and if you don't like

how you feel, you end the round. At the low doses we use, it's a much safer

venture than other high dose protocols. This is all JMO, and the decision is up

to you, and if I'm way off base, just let me know.---------Jackie

[Guest guest]

>> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

> just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

> revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

> leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

> you have any other cavitations cleaned out?----------Jackie

>>

>>

> No, I apparently have only this one.

> I think maybe my visit of 2 weeks was not enough to handle all the

> work or rather for my gums to take all the work - not sure if this was

> the reason - I was disappointed though to hear him say he was not

> going to remove it.

hi,

Rememeber you cannot rule out a cavitation on x-ray alone. Sometimes they

are obvious on x-ray, but the vast majority of times you cannot see them,

because they are holes within bone. We encourage all previous extraction

sites to be cleaned here and in 90-95% there is a cavitation, and you could

not see it on x-ray. So if you have any other extractions, there is a very

high probability (and virtually a certainty) that you have a cavitation

there.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

I missed the original post, so I missed your name, but I'd suggest that

you look at the path back to health as a process, a journey that you

won't complete in a day. That's not Huggins' way, and there have been a

lot of reports here of people being severely traumatized by his doing

far too much all at once. It's important to let the body take one step

at a time - it's desperately trying to keep up with what you're doing to

it. As you start tackling one thing, you will find another come to the

fore - your body will be telling you that now, it's time to deal with

this new thing. If you pay attention, you'll find it's talking to you

all the time.

So, I'd suggest that if you've dealt with the mercury, then it's time to

chelate. Wait a while and see the new lay of the land, see where the

chelation starts to take you. Think about the cavitation later.

Dave.

> ----------I find this odd that he didn't clean the cavitation,

> just because I thought that was part of the Huggins total dental

> revision protocol, and that someone following his protocol wouldn't

> leave a cavitation in the mouth, especially from a root canal. Did

> you have any other cavitations cleaned out?--------

>--Jackie

>

> No, I apparently have only this one. I think maybe my visit of 2

> weeks was not enough to handle all the work or rather for my gums to

> take all the work - not sure if this was the reason - I was

> disappointed though to hear him say he was not going to remove it.

hi,

Rememeber you cannot rule out a cavitation on x-ray alone. Sometimes they

are obvious on x-ray, but the vast majority of times you cannot see them,

because they are holes within bone. We encourage all previous extraction

sites to be cleaned here and in 90-95% there is a cavitation, and you could

not see it on x-ray. So if you have any other extractions, there is a very

high probability (and virtually a certainty) that you have a cavitation

there.

DeanSA