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Hi All-

Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders

often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she

had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels

were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when

they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with

thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH

is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative

situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their

treatment based only on that 1st post.

Now, learning this, I feel a responsibility to make sure everyone is aware of

all aspects of this (I should have mentioned it on the initial post).

Sometimes, thyroid associated mental disorders are not resolved when thyroid

levels approach normal or are normalized. They do not know the cause of the

association. For example, it makes perfect sense that thyroid hormone levels in

and of themselves could and do affect mental function. But it's also possible

that they just often occur together (like TED and thyroid disease). Or maybe

the off-thyroid levels can cause permanent brain damage. They really don't

know.

I actually have a couple of personal examples of this (anecdotal I know). In my

case, I had pretty pronounced mental problems that resolved once my

hyperthyroidism was taken care of. However, I have a cousin that was diagnosed

with hyperthyroidism at age 15 which was subsequently treated by thyroidectomy.

She is still bipolar at age 43 and must stay on her medication or she destroys

herself and those that love her.

Anyhow, considering that 500 people read this list and some might have dropped

their medication based on my 1st post only, I felt that I had to address this.

Take care,

dx & RAI 1987 (at age 24)

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> Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders

often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she

had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels

were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when

they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with

thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH

is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative

situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their

treatment based only on that 1st post.

Hi ,

I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take

all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be

frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here

and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or

deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find

any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional

indemnity insurance ;-).

The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental

issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for

those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are

different manifestations of the same illness is unclear.

Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue

social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although

having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how

hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-)

Simon

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Utecht wrote:

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> Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders

often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she

had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels

were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when

they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with

thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH

is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative

situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their

treatment based only on that 1st post.

Hi ,

I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take

all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be

frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here

and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or

deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find

any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional

indemnity insurance ;-).

The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental

issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for

those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are

different manifestations of the same illness is unclear.

Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue

social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although

having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how

hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-)

Simon

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Utecht wrote:

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> Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders

often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she

had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels

were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when

they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with

thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH

is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative

situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their

treatment based only on that 1st post.

Hi ,

I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take

all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be

frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here

and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or

deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find

any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional

indemnity insurance ;-).

The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental

issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for

those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are

different manifestations of the same illness is unclear.

Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue

social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although

having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how

hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-)

Simon

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The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

> whose family have both thyroid problems

This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations:

- the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently

becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?)

- the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves

- those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders -

thyroid and psychiatric - at once

among other situations.

When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous

about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which

doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the

SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves

patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health

issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in

hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who

developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending

to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other

(diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED

which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.)

Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary

circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there

actually are.

OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay

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The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

> whose family have both thyroid problems

This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations:

- the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently

becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?)

- the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves

- those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders -

thyroid and psychiatric - at once

among other situations.

When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous

about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which

doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the

SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves

patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health

issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in

hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who

developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending

to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other

(diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED

which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.)

Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary

circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there

actually are.

OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay

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The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend

> whose family have both thyroid problems

This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations:

- the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently

becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?)

- the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves

- those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders -

thyroid and psychiatric - at once

among other situations.

When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous

about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which

doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the

SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves

patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health

issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in

hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who

developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending

to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other

(diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED

which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.)

Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary

circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there

actually are.

OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay

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