Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Hi All- Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their treatment based only on that 1st post. Now, learning this, I feel a responsibility to make sure everyone is aware of all aspects of this (I should have mentioned it on the initial post). Sometimes, thyroid associated mental disorders are not resolved when thyroid levels approach normal or are normalized. They do not know the cause of the association. For example, it makes perfect sense that thyroid hormone levels in and of themselves could and do affect mental function. But it's also possible that they just often occur together (like TED and thyroid disease). Or maybe the off-thyroid levels can cause permanent brain damage. They really don't know. I actually have a couple of personal examples of this (anecdotal I know). In my case, I had pretty pronounced mental problems that resolved once my hyperthyroidism was taken care of. However, I have a cousin that was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism at age 15 which was subsequently treated by thyroidectomy. She is still bipolar at age 43 and must stay on her medication or she destroys herself and those that love her. Anyhow, considering that 500 people read this list and some might have dropped their medication based on my 1st post only, I felt that I had to address this. Take care, dx & RAI 1987 (at age 24) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Utecht wrote: > > Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their treatment based only on that 1st post. Hi , I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional indemnity insurance ;-). The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are different manifestations of the same illness is unclear. Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-) Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Utecht wrote: > > Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their treatment based only on that 1st post. Hi , I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional indemnity insurance ;-). The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are different manifestations of the same illness is unclear. Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-) Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Utecht wrote: > > Last month, I told one of our members that thyroid associated mental disorders often disappear once the thyroid disease is treated. At the time, I assumed she had been just diagnosed (within the month) and that her thyroid hormone levels were way off. Thyroid associated mental disorders do very often resolve when they occur under these circumstances. It turned out that she was diagnosed with thyroid disease many months ago and her thyroid hormone levels were normal (TSH is not thyroid hormone). I was attempting to put a positive spin on a negative situation and I apologize to anyone that might have changed the course of their treatment based only on that 1st post. Hi , I hope people don't change treatment based on one post, but take all the answers and consult with their doctor(s). It can be frustrating when we trust out doctors over regular posters here and find the poster were right, but where there is doubt or deferring opinions we either go to the evidence (if you can find any) or with your doctors who have experience (and professional indemnity insurance ;-). The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend whose family have both thyroid problems, and genetic mental issues (something with both positive and negative aspects for those affected), quite what relationship, or indeed if they are different manifestations of the same illness is unclear. Unfortunately these kind of mental issues still carry undue social stigma, and he prefers not to discuss it openly, although having grown up adjacent to a large mental hospital I know how hard it is to tell the patients from the staff at times ;-) Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend > whose family have both thyroid problems This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations: - the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?) - the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves - those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders - thyroid and psychiatric - at once among other situations. When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other (diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.) Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there actually are. OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend > whose family have both thyroid problems This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations: - the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?) - the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves - those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders - thyroid and psychiatric - at once among other situations. When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other (diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.) Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there actually are. OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 The link with bipolar disorders is fascinating, I have a friend > whose family have both thyroid problems This is a chicken and egg thing. Here are various situations: - the bipolar patient whose lithium can be linked to consequently becoming hypo (I think I read that there's a 30% possiblility?) - the psychotic patient who became psychotic due to untreated Graves - those lucky customers who just manage to have 2 unrelated disorders - thyroid and psychiatric - at once among other situations. When I was still untreated my BIL, a psychiatrist, was extremely nervous about my plans, having seen thyroid storm and Graves psychosis, which doesn't necessarily disappear when the GD is treated. He said that the SOP for psychotic or otherwise psychiatrically severely unhealthy Graves patients was to do RAI to be able to concentrate on the mental health issues. (You have to realize that he saw this on an emergency basis in hospitals.) I have since tried to educate him, knowing someone who developed diabetes and GD at the same time who opted for RAI, intending to " take care " of one problem (GD) and then be able to focus on the other (diabetes). (Of course it didn't work that smoothly; she also had TED which presented itself before RAI yet her endo still pushed it.) Though I do have to wonder if when it comes to these extraordinary circumstances, like what my BIL encounters, how many options there actually are. OK, enough rambling. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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