Re: chelating with low copper and high zinc levels

[Guest guest]

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" I don't think you should worry about the zinc

and copper. "

I don't have the choice to not worry about it. If I continue supplementing with

zinc, even at tiny doses, I have nervousness, irritability, tremors, and major

insomnia. I seriously cannot even tolerate 2-3 mgs of zinc for more than 2-3

days. I can't even tolerate vit B6, which speeds up zinc metabolism. I have

eliminated supplements and slowly added them back in, and it is not very

difficult to tell which are causing problems this way. After my first day of

copper supplementation, it was like a miracle happened- I became so relaxed it

was unbelievable. If I try skipping copper for a couple days, the nervousness

comes back.

" Andy says in copper deficiency all measures of copper will be low,

as will serum ceruloplasmin. "

I thought he said that ceruloplasmin was next to worthless and it is RBC copper

that I would want (I think I read this in archives of Hg-autism). Andy also

recognizes that some toxic people are actually low in copper. I need more

elaboration on how to supplement and chelate with low copper, high zinc. He just

spends a lot more time in the book on zinc deficiency/wasting.

He also says that zinc that is high in the RED suggests zinc wasting, or past

the halfway in the yellow. Mine was at the high end of normal green. I took this

to possibly mean zinc wasting. I started supplementing with zinc, and 10 months

later I am in a world of trouble with it. Now it is about halfway in the yellow,

with normal mineral transport (not that that means anything, I suppose). I also

have a high zinc, low copper diet. My daughter, who doesn't meet counting rules,

reflects our high zinc, low copper diet in her hair as well.

" Nervousness and tremors can be due to many things, such as mercury. "

Yes, but mine definitely gets better with copper and much, much worse with zinc!

It took me a good 2-3 months to figure out what was even causing these symptoms,

and there is no doubt in my mind that it is my zinc and copper.

" Andy says mercury toxic people tolerate high levels of zinc

supplementation for a long time. "

Well, it can't be one-size-fits-all. It was these statements that made me think

it was okay to supplement with zinc and to avoid copper. Andy says the half-life

of zinc in the body is 4 months, and I think it is just going to take time for

my zinc levels to decrease.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

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> " I don't think you should worry about the zinc

> and copper. "

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> I don't have the choice to not worry about it. If I continue

supplementing with zinc, even at tiny doses, I have nervousness,

irritability, tremors, and major insomnia. I seriously cannot even

tolerate 2-3 mgs of zinc for more than 2-3 days. I can't even tolerate

vit B6, which speeds up zinc metabolism. I have eliminated supplements

and slowly added them back in, and it is not very difficult to tell

which are causing problems this way. After my first day of copper

supplementation, it was like a miracle happened- I became so relaxed

it was unbelievable. If I try skipping copper for a couple days, the

nervousness comes back.

The symptoms you mention from taking zinc sound like copper toxicity

symptoms - I do not think they are symptoms of excess zinc.

Are you taking molybdenum? What about PC and bile support?

You might want to add those and then try zinc again.

> " Andy says in copper deficiency all measures of copper will be low,

> as will serum ceruloplasmin. "

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> I thought he said that ceruloplasmin was next to worthless and it is

RBC copper that I would want (I think I read this in archives of

Hg-autism). Andy also recognizes that some toxic people are actually

low in copper. I need more elaboration on how to supplement and

chelate with low copper, high zinc. He just spends a lot more time in

the book on zinc deficiency/wasting.

I was reporting what Andy states in Hair Test Interpretation, p. 117.

The cases I have seen where Andy recommends copper supplementation

on the a-m list, it was a small amount, maybe 1 mg.

> He also says that zinc that is high in the RED suggests zinc

wasting, or past the halfway in the yellow.

Yes, this is more accurate than what I said.

Mine was at the high end of normal green. I took this to possibly mean

zinc wasting. I started supplementing with zinc, and 10 months later I

am in a world of trouble with it. Now it is about halfway in the

yellow, with normal mineral transport (not that that means anything, I

suppose). I also have a high zinc, low copper diet. My daughter, who

doesn't meet counting rules, reflects our high zinc, low copper diet

in her hair as well.

> " Nervousness and tremors can be due to many things, such as mercury. "

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> Yes, but mine definitely gets better with copper and much, much

worse with zinc! It took me a good 2-3 months to figure out what was

even causing these symptoms, and there is no doubt in my mind that it

is my zinc and copper.

> " Andy says mercury toxic people tolerate high levels of zinc

> supplementation for a long time. "

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> Well, it can't be one-size-fits-all. It was these statements that

made me think it was okay to supplement with zinc and to avoid copper.

Andy says the half-life of zinc in the body is 4 months, and I think

it is just going to take time for my zinc levels to decrease.

I am not sure what is going on. I do think if it were me, I would

avoid zinc rather than supplementing copper, especially at the doses

you are using.

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> -Olif

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