Re: Round 2 DMSA - yellow is back.

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Great report, Sunshine, and how exciting about the colors! I hope things

continue to improve for you. Just a couple comments. If you are having

symptoms during a round, remember that some people feel better with more

frequent dosing, like every 3 or 3-1/2 hours, so something you could try. And

it looks like you could benefit from some adrenal support, especially in the

morning and maybe at noon. If you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, there is

an OTC product called Isocort, which has 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so easy

to dose in small amounts, that you could try. I used it before I got HC, and I

liked it. I don't think people should try adrenal support without being tested,

but since you have been tested, I wanted to mention the Isocort. And Andy is a

big fan of ACE (adrenal cortex extract), so you could try that first. I didn't

tolerate it the first time I tried it a year and a half ago, but I tried it

again recently, and now I do. Good luck.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Round 2

Some people are undecided if they can start chelation, so I will post

what happened on my 2nd round of 12.5mg DMSA every 4 hours 3 days on

4 days off, even dosing at night.

Round 2 was 2.5 weeks after I had all my amalgams removed. I am still

suffering the after effects of this removal. Specifically the brain

fog comes from that, I only get the fog after amalgam removal with

the after-effects repeating 7/14/21 days after, lasting 3-4 weeks

each time.

I had another 4-5 hour period where I felt like a million bucks,

really great, followed again by brain fog although not as bad as

round 1. I did get a bad headache, my big toe throbbed like crazy for

no apparent reason, and my tattoo arm was very itchy again. Sometimes

I felt fine, sometime rough, each of these symptoms last 3-5 hours

before moving onto the next.

I did remember a dream again, as I did on round 1.

Now I know what Andy means when he talks of " manageable symptoms " -

all of my symptoms are " manageable " . As I said the brain fog comes

from amalgam removal, it gets less as each week goes by. Round 2 was

smoother that round 1.

On my first round my colour vision improved, specifically blue came

back very well. The second round also produced more exciting changes

in my eyesight, yellow this time. Difficult to gauge accurately by

how much, but enough for me notice straight away. Enough for me to be

a bit puzzled why everything yellow had been given a fresh coat of

paint over night. Enough for me to go to an art gallery was be amazed

at how much more I can see. Enough for me to be watching DVD's and

marvelling at the colors and my increased depth perception. The

colours coming back is reason enough alone, for me to continue with

the protocol.

Someone mentioned adrenal problems and not chelating. I too have very

recently discovered I have adrenal and thyroid problems. I am

struggling to get to grips with these new ideas, and my

investigations continue and will be addressed when I understand what

I should do. I decided to start chelation in any case. If I wait for

everything to be fixed, I would never start.

Adrenal stress profile (saliva) age group 30-39

Cortisol levels

Sample 1. 7-8am 10.8 ...ref 12-22

Sample 2. 11-12am 4.3....ref 4-8

Sample 3. 4-5pm 4.4....ref 3-7

Sample 4. 11-12pm 1.6....ref 1-3

I have been tracking my average temperatures daily, which are low and

jaggedy normally, but seem to stabilise some whilst on both rounds.

I would hardly call my chelation " JUST DO IT! " because I have done a

lot of research and preparatory work beforehand, with my digestion

specifically and also my supplements, but i did " JUST DO IT! " 1 week

after amalgam removal.

I can't wait to see what colors comeback next time, Round 3 starts

Friday morning:-)

Sunshine

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>

> Great report, Sunshine, and how exciting about the colors! I hope

things continue to improve for you. Just a couple comments. If you

are having symptoms during a round, remember that some people feel

better with more frequent dosing, like every 3 or 3-1/2 hours, so

something you could try. And it looks like you could benefit from

some adrenal support, especially in the morning and maybe at noon.

If you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, there is an OTC product

called Isocort, which has 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so easy to

dose in small amounts, that you could try. I used it before I got

HC, and I liked it. I don't think people should try adrenal support

without being tested, but since you have been tested, I wanted to

mention the Isocort. And Andy is a big fan of ACE (adrenal cortex

extract), so you could try that first. I didn't tolerate it the

first time I tried it a year and a half ago, but I tried it again

recently, and now I do. Good luck.--------Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie. Ummm yes, I have been thinking about more frequent

dosage, but I'm undecided if these symptoms reflect the DMSA doing

its thing, or if it is the after-effects of amalgam removal

reverberating back on me?

I have had 5 dentist visits this year for amalgam removal and on each

occasion have been hit with big flare-ups of symptoms, particularly

the brain fog. After each removal the symptoms have got progressively

worse. These symptoms last 3-4 days then repeat (less severely)

7/14/21 days later, just as per AI. It has been a long and difficult

year. The 4th amalgam removal was by far the worst and was when I

thought I'd never ever be well again. The symptoms from the 5th and

last removal have been difficult, but nowhere near as bad as the 4th.

I put this down to the rounds of DMSA I have done. Compared with the

4th removal, these current symptoms are a stroll in the park.

Last night, as expected, the symptoms of the last amalgam removal hit

again (it is 21 days since removal), this was before round 3 started.

I felt pretty bad last night and this morning too. I started round 3

this morning and have found the symptoms fading away….a smooth ride

this round so far.

I was going to wait until 4 weeks after amalgam removal before making

a decision to dose more frequently. If I am getting these symptoms

should I dose more frequently anyway?

It feels like the symptoms are due to amalgam removal and the DMSA is

greatly helping.

Sunshine

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>

> Great report, Sunshine, and how exciting about the colors! I hope

things continue to improve for you. Just a couple comments. If you

are having symptoms during a round, remember that some people feel

better with more frequent dosing, like every 3 or 3-1/2 hours, so

something you could try. And it looks like you could benefit from

some adrenal support, especially in the morning and maybe at noon.

If you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, there is an OTC product

called Isocort, which has 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so easy to

dose in small amounts, that you could try. I used it before I got

HC, and I liked it. I don't think people should try adrenal support

without being tested, but since you have been tested, I wanted to

mention the Isocort. And Andy is a big fan of ACE (adrenal cortex

extract), so you could try that first. I didn't tolerate it the

first time I tried it a year and a half ago, but I tried it again

recently, and now I do. Good luck.--------Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie. Ummm yes, I have been thinking about more frequent

dosage, but I'm undecided if these symptoms reflect the DMSA doing

its thing, or if it is the after-effects of amalgam removal

reverberating back on me?

I have had 5 dentist visits this year for amalgam removal and on each

occasion have been hit with big flare-ups of symptoms, particularly

the brain fog. After each removal the symptoms have got progressively

worse. These symptoms last 3-4 days then repeat (less severely)

7/14/21 days later, just as per AI. It has been a long and difficult

year. The 4th amalgam removal was by far the worst and was when I

thought I'd never ever be well again. The symptoms from the 5th and

last removal have been difficult, but nowhere near as bad as the 4th.

I put this down to the rounds of DMSA I have done. Compared with the

4th removal, these current symptoms are a stroll in the park.

Last night, as expected, the symptoms of the last amalgam removal hit

again (it is 21 days since removal), this was before round 3 started.

I felt pretty bad last night and this morning too. I started round 3

this morning and have found the symptoms fading away….a smooth ride

this round so far.

I was going to wait until 4 weeks after amalgam removal before making

a decision to dose more frequently. If I am getting these symptoms

should I dose more frequently anyway?

It feels like the symptoms are due to amalgam removal and the DMSA is

greatly helping.

Sunshine

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>

And it looks like you could benefit from

> some adrenal support, especially in the morning and maybe at noon.

> If you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, there is an OTC product

> called Isocort, which has 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so easy to

> dose in small amounts, that you could try. I used it before I got

> HC, and I liked it. I don't think people should try adrenal

support

> without being tested, but since you have been tested, I wanted to

> mention the Isocort. And Andy is a big fan of ACE (adrenal cortex

> extract), so you could try that first. I didn't tolerate it the

> first time I tried it a year and a half ago, but I tried it again

> recently, and now I do. Good luck.--------Jackie

Re my adrenals: So many products, so many conflicting paths, ideas

and advice! I continue to read and my understanding is getting

clearer, but I really need to sit down with someone that knows whats

what. Why do they call all these things so many different names? Its

so confusing.

I have an appointment with my local doc next week, but I am not

confident in his ability to help me in the way that is acceptable to

me. My reading is leading me towards Adrenal cortex extract, but I

will not do anything until I understand more clearly and I have sat

down with an expert. Just need to find an expert now! I am doing many

different health regaining activities and whatever I do has to fit in

with all that. Blindly taking medicine with no knowledge or

understanding is something I am no longer willing to do. It is one of

the many reasons my health dropped to such a low level. Now that I

have taken control of my own health, for once in my life, I am at

last healing and have been for 3 months now, finally;-) It does mean

I have to read a lot, but the reward is my health back, and that is a

price i am willing to pay.

Thanks for the reminder, I think I will dip back into AI and re-read

that part.

Sunshine

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Great report, Sunshine, and how exciting about the colors! I hope

things continue to improve for you. Just a couple comments. If you

are having symptoms during a round, remember that some people feel

better with more frequent dosing, like every 3 or 3-1/2 hours, so

something you could try. --------Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie. Ummm yes, I have been thinking about more frequent

dosage, but I'm undecided if these symptoms reflect the DMSA doing

its thing, or if it is the after-effects of amalgam removal

reverberating back on me?

I have had 5 dentist visits this year for amalgam removal and on each

occasion have been hit with big flare-ups of symptoms, particularly

the brain fog. After each removal the symptoms have got progressively

worse. These symptoms last 3-4 days then repeat (less severely)

7/14/21 days later, just as per AI. It has been a long and difficult

year. The 4th amalgam removal was by far the worst and was when I

thought I'd never ever be well again. The symptoms from the 5th and

last removal have been difficult, but nowhere near as bad as the 4th.

I put this down to the rounds of DMSA I have done. Compared with the

4th removal, these current symptoms are a stroll in the park.

Last night, as expected, the symptoms of the last amalgam removal hit

again (it is 21 days since removal), this was before round 3 started.

I felt pretty bad last night and this morning too. I started round 3

this morning and have found the symptoms fading away..a smooth ride

this round so far.

I was going to wait until 4 weeks after amalgam removal before making

a decision to dose more frequently. If I am getting these symptoms

should I dose more frequently anyway?

It feels like the symptoms are due to amalgam removal and the DMSA is

greatly helping.

Sunshine

--------------------------------

Only you can decide what you think the symptoms are from, and if your gut

instinct and experience tells you its from amalgam removal, then that is

probably right. If your round is going well and making you feel better, then

stick with what you are doing. I just wanted you to be aware that it is ok to

dose more frequently, and that some people do better when they do. So it is

something you could try at some point, but that will be up to you. Hope you

keep improving!-------Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Great report, Sunshine, and how exciting about the colors! I hope

things continue to improve for you. Just a couple comments. If you

are having symptoms during a round, remember that some people feel

better with more frequent dosing, like every 3 or 3-1/2 hours, so

something you could try. --------Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie. Ummm yes, I have been thinking about more frequent

dosage, but I'm undecided if these symptoms reflect the DMSA doing

its thing, or if it is the after-effects of amalgam removal

reverberating back on me?

I have had 5 dentist visits this year for amalgam removal and on each

occasion have been hit with big flare-ups of symptoms, particularly

the brain fog. After each removal the symptoms have got progressively

worse. These symptoms last 3-4 days then repeat (less severely)

7/14/21 days later, just as per AI. It has been a long and difficult

year. The 4th amalgam removal was by far the worst and was when I

thought I'd never ever be well again. The symptoms from the 5th and

last removal have been difficult, but nowhere near as bad as the 4th.

I put this down to the rounds of DMSA I have done. Compared with the

4th removal, these current symptoms are a stroll in the park.

Last night, as expected, the symptoms of the last amalgam removal hit

again (it is 21 days since removal), this was before round 3 started.

I felt pretty bad last night and this morning too. I started round 3

this morning and have found the symptoms fading away..a smooth ride

this round so far.

I was going to wait until 4 weeks after amalgam removal before making

a decision to dose more frequently. If I am getting these symptoms

should I dose more frequently anyway?

It feels like the symptoms are due to amalgam removal and the DMSA is

greatly helping.

Sunshine

--------------------------------

Only you can decide what you think the symptoms are from, and if your gut

instinct and experience tells you its from amalgam removal, then that is

probably right. If your round is going well and making you feel better, then

stick with what you are doing. I just wanted you to be aware that it is ok to

dose more frequently, and that some people do better when they do. So it is

something you could try at some point, but that will be up to you. Hope you

keep improving!-------Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

And it looks like you could benefit from

> some adrenal support, especially in the morning and maybe at noon.

> If you can't get a doctor to prescribe HC, there is an OTC product

> called Isocort, which has 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so easy to

> dose in small amounts, that you could try. I used it before I got

> HC, and I liked it. I don't think people should try adrenal

support

> without being tested, but since you have been tested, I wanted to

> mention the Isocort. And Andy is a big fan of ACE (adrenal cortex

> extract), so you could try that first. I didn't tolerate it the

> first time I tried it a year and a half ago, but I tried it again

> recently, and now I do. Good luck.--------Jackie

Re my adrenals: So many products, so many conflicting paths, ideas

and advice! I continue to read and my understanding is getting

clearer, but I really need to sit down with someone that knows whats

what. Why do they call all these things so many different names? Its

so confusing.

-----------Yes it can be confusing. I read about and contemplated adrenal

support for a long time before I tried anything, so you're doing the right

thing, keep reading and asking questions. HC is short for Hydrocortisone, that

is the prescription form of cortisol. Isocort is an OTC supplement that has

2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, so you can get it without a doctor, but they both

support the adrenals by supplying cortisol. ACE is adrenal cortex extract,

which is a glandular product that supports your adrenals and may help them

repair, but does not directly supply cortisol. I'm trying the ACE again now, in

hopes of being able to reduce my dose of HC.--------Jackie

I have an appointment with my local doc next week, but I am not

confident in his ability to help me in the way that is acceptable to

me.

----------It is very hard to find a doctor that understands adrenal fatigue

and will prescribe HC when needed. I couldn't find one locally.----------Jackie

My reading is leading me towards Adrenal cortex extract,

-----------I believe that is what Andy recommends to try first. It's a good

place to start, and if that helps enough, then you may never need HC. Depends

how bad your adrenals are.--------Jackie

but I

will not do anything until I understand more clearly and I have sat

down with an expert. Just need to find an expert now!

----------Good luck with that! You could ask on these boards if anybody could

recommend a doctor in your area. Some of us have had to travel. I went to

Seattle to see , who Andy recommends. You can also have a doctor

sign a consulting agreement with him, and he'll do a file review of your case,

for a fee. Just some things to keep in mind, if you don't have any luck

locally.--------Jackie

I am doing many

different health regaining activities and whatever I do has to fit in

with all that. Blindly taking medicine with no knowledge or

understanding is something I am no longer willing to do. It is one of

the many reasons my health dropped to such a low level. Now that I

have taken control of my own health, for once in my life, I am at

last healing and have been for 3 months now, finally;-) It does mean

I have to read a lot, but the reward is my health back, and that is a

price i am willing to pay.

----------Good for you for taking control, I think we've all have had to do

that here. As you keep reading and participate on these boards, you will learn

alot and things will start to make sense, and only you can decide when you're

ready to try something. A good book on adrenals is " The Safe Uses of Cortisol "

by Jefferies, and I'm sure there are others. I haven't read this book, but this

link looks interesting also: www.adrenalfatigue.org Does anybody remember

the link to the one that shows the 7 stages of adrenal fatigue?---------Jackie

Thanks for the reminder, I think I will dip back into AI and re-read

that part.

----------Yes, you will find yourself going back to AI over and over again.

It is a great resource. Good luck.---------Jackie

Sunshine

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> In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

> Re my adrenals: So many products, so many conflicting paths,

ideas

> and advice! I continue to read and my understanding is getting

> clearer, but I really need to sit down with someone that knows

whats

> what. Why do they call all these things so many different names?

Its

> so confusing.

>

> -----------Yes it can be confusing. I read about and

contemplated adrenal support for a long time before I tried anything,

so you're doing the right thing, keep reading and asking questions.

HC is short for Hydrocortisone, that is the prescription form of

cortisol. Isocort is an OTC supplement that has 2.5mg of cortisol

per pellet, so you can get it without a doctor, but they both support

the adrenals by supplying cortisol. ACE is adrenal cortex extract,

which is a glandular product that supports your adrenals and may help

them repair, but does not directly supply cortisol. I'm trying the

ACE again now, in hopes of being able to reduce my dose of HC.--------

Jackie

Sunshine: Yes, I can now just about understand what you just typed

above. Each book I read has a slightly different bias towards each

method of treatment. I have almost finished Teitelbaum and " Safe uses

of cortisol " by Jefferies is on my bedside table waiting for me.

(Teitelbaum is a strange one, he seems so knowledgeable about certain

things, then in the next chapter recommends eating Cheerios and

getting flu jabs? Makes me question his judgement on everything when

he gets some things so wrong.)

Certainly before it try any HC I will be trying ACE before hand. I

think the ACE is the way forward for me at this moment.

Support herbs, like liquorice, kelp, salt have been introduced

already. My daily average temps are stabilising and dare I say it,

rising? Bit early yet, time will tell.

Good news I found an adrenal specialist, Dr Peatfield, appointment in

6 weeks time.

Yes, AI has been read 3 times now. I has been very helpful, I have

discovered so many new things wrong with me from reading it! ;-)

Sunshine