Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: I just finished chelating a round of 50mg DMPS every 8 hours for 3 days. I was having what seemed to be pretty bad emotional side effects getting progressively worse toward the end of the round, and felt much better immediately after stopping. ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie I've seen 6-8 hours listed on some guidelines for taking DMPS. Is there anything wrong with taking it at 6 hour intervals rather than anywhere else in between? -----------Yes it's ok to take the chelators more frequently. Some people are faster metabolizers and do better when taking the chelators more frequently. So it is something to try, when having trouble on rounds. Usually these people can feel the chelator wearing off before the next dose is due. And like you say below, 6 hours allows for the same dosing times and works well with ALA every 3 hours. I take DMPS every 6 hours.-----------Jackie 6 hours allows me to take at the same time in each 24 hour period. Plus it will sync much better with ALA every 3 hours when I do that. Thanks. _._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 8New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the next day. I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this correct?*************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the next day. I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this correct?*************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > > > > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long > have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you > have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably > too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, > like 10-20mg.----------Jackie > > ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I > went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side > effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel > like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. > > The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than > normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the > next day. > > I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before > the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, > a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. > It is fine to take at 6 h intervals (I started at 8 h and found I felt better with 6 h intervals). The reaction you had shows that you already hit a high enough dose, possibly too high. I would either lower the dose or keep it the same for the 24 h total (50 mg, 3x/day gives 150 mg/24 h; so I would keep the dose at 33 mg or lower for 6 h dosing). > From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are > emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this > correct?*************** Many but not always. People usually get a worsening of their mercury symptoms, which includes a lot of different things for different people. J > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > > > > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long > have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you > have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably > too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, > like 10-20mg.----------Jackie > > ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I > went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side > effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel > like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. > > The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than > normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the > next day. > > I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before > the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, > a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. > It is fine to take at 6 h intervals (I started at 8 h and found I felt better with 6 h intervals). The reaction you had shows that you already hit a high enough dose, possibly too high. I would either lower the dose or keep it the same for the 24 h total (50 mg, 3x/day gives 150 mg/24 h; so I would keep the dose at 33 mg or lower for 6 h dosing). > From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are > emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this > correct?*************** Many but not always. People usually get a worsening of their mercury symptoms, which includes a lot of different things for different people. J > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > > > > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long > have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you > have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably > too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, > like 10-20mg.----------Jackie > > ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I > went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side > effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel > like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. > > The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than > normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the > next day. > > I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before > the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, > a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. > It is fine to take at 6 h intervals (I started at 8 h and found I felt better with 6 h intervals). The reaction you had shows that you already hit a high enough dose, possibly too high. I would either lower the dose or keep it the same for the 24 h total (50 mg, 3x/day gives 150 mg/24 h; so I would keep the dose at 33 mg or lower for 6 h dosing). > From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are > emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this > correct?*************** Many but not always. People usually get a worsening of their mercury symptoms, which includes a lot of different things for different people. J > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. ----------You did ramp up very fast. Sometimes people don't notice things until after a few rounds. If TK was here, I know he'd tell you to slow down! I heard him say many, many times that the biggest mistake he sees people make is going to fast. I would suggest trying a couple rounds at maybe 25mg and see how you feel. By doubling the dose, you do not double the amount of mercury removed. Andy has said that excretion only increases by about the square root, or something like 20-30%, not doubled, so it's not worth too many extra symptoms for a small increase in excretion.----------Jackie The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the next day. ----------Only you can be the judge of what is tolerable for you. But if you keep increasing at such a fast pace, you may get nailed really bad one of these times. Just like people who do IV chelation, they don't always feel it right away, and then all of a sudden get hit really hard with a bad reaction the next time, so I just don't want to see that happen to you.----------Jackie I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. ------------I don't know if I follow your logic on that one. I agree you are probably a fast oxidizer and should try 6 hour dosing, but I would try it at 25mg, or definitely no higher than 50mg. You have only done 3 rounds, so not that much experience yet, and if you change the dosing time and the dosage on the same round, you won't know which change helped or hurt. So I suggest you try a round at 6 hour intervals at a dose you have already done. You seem in too much of a hurry to increase dosages, and I'm scared you're going to make yourself worse.---------Jackie From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this correct?*************** -----------I think it varies by person, but alot of people mention fatigue as a side effect also.--------Jackie ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 10New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. ----------You did ramp up very fast. Sometimes people don't notice things until after a few rounds. If TK was here, I know he'd tell you to slow down! I heard him say many, many times that the biggest mistake he sees people make is going to fast. I would suggest trying a couple rounds at maybe 25mg and see how you feel. By doubling the dose, you do not double the amount of mercury removed. Andy has said that excretion only increases by about the square root, or something like 20-30%, not doubled, so it's not worth too many extra symptoms for a small increase in excretion.----------Jackie The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the next day. ----------Only you can be the judge of what is tolerable for you. But if you keep increasing at such a fast pace, you may get nailed really bad one of these times. Just like people who do IV chelation, they don't always feel it right away, and then all of a sudden get hit really hard with a bad reaction the next time, so I just don't want to see that happen to you.----------Jackie I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. ------------I don't know if I follow your logic on that one. I agree you are probably a fast oxidizer and should try 6 hour dosing, but I would try it at 25mg, or definitely no higher than 50mg. You have only done 3 rounds, so not that much experience yet, and if you change the dosing time and the dosage on the same round, you won't know which change helped or hurt. So I suggest you try a round at 6 hour intervals at a dose you have already done. You seem in too much of a hurry to increase dosages, and I'm scared you're going to make yourself worse.---------Jackie From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this correct?*************** -----------I think it varies by person, but alot of people mention fatigue as a side effect also.--------Jackie ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 10New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: > ----------Can you remind us of your chelation history? How long have you been chelating and at what dose did you start, etc. If you have just started and are at 50mg of DMPS, then the dose is probably too high and causing the bad side effects. Most people start lower, like 10-20mg.----------Jackie ********* Thanks for your reply Jackie. This was my third round. I went from 12.5, 25, 50mg. The first too with no noticeable side effects. I know that's faster than some people recommend but I feel like the only way to find my limit is to reach it. Plus I weigh 235 lbs. ----------You did ramp up very fast. Sometimes people don't notice things until after a few rounds. If TK was here, I know he'd tell you to slow down! I heard him say many, many times that the biggest mistake he sees people make is going to fast. I would suggest trying a couple rounds at maybe 25mg and see how you feel. By doubling the dose, you do not double the amount of mercury removed. Andy has said that excretion only increases by about the square root, or something like 20-30%, not doubled, so it's not worth too many extra symptoms for a small increase in excretion.----------Jackie The side effects weren't too bad. Just felt worse emotionally than normal. Wasn't sure it was from chelation until I felt better the next day. ----------Only you can be the judge of what is tolerable for you. But if you keep increasing at such a fast pace, you may get nailed really bad one of these times. Just like people who do IV chelation, they don't always feel it right away, and then all of a sudden get hit really hard with a bad reaction the next time, so I just don't want to see that happen to you.----------Jackie I must be a fast oxidizer. I definitely feel it wearing off before the next dose is due. I'm thinking If I take it at 6 hour intervals, a higher dose(75mg-100mg) would be tolerable. ------------I don't know if I follow your logic on that one. I agree you are probably a fast oxidizer and should try 6 hour dosing, but I would try it at 25mg, or definitely no higher than 50mg. You have only done 3 rounds, so not that much experience yet, and if you change the dosing time and the dosage on the same round, you won't know which change helped or hurt. So I suggest you try a round at 6 hour intervals at a dose you have already done. You seem in too much of a hurry to increase dosages, and I'm scared you're going to make yourself worse.---------Jackie From what I understand, most of the side effects of chelation are emotional or how you feel, rather than anything physical. Is this correct?*************** -----------I think it varies by person, but alot of people mention fatigue as a side effect also.--------Jackie ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 10New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Thanks and Jackie, I guess I'll let you guys talk some sense into me and stick on the safe side. I'm just eager to get the show on the road. From what I understood is that you should have minimal side effects during the round and any side effects at the end of the round when the blood levels drop. But the people who have problems during chelation are fast oxidizers and the blood levels are dropping and rising the whole time causing redistribution and side effects. My logic was that if by having too long of intervals between doses I was causing blood levels to rise/drop, redistribution, and side effects possibly 8 more times than I had to during each round. I'll stick with 50mg at 6 hour intervals next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: Thanks and Jackie, I guess I'll let you guys talk some sense into me and stick on the safe side. I'm just eager to get the show on the road. ---------But this is what can get people in trouble. Please be patient. I have heard TK say soooooo many times that the biggest mistake people make is trying to go too fast, and then they have problems.-------Jackie From what I understood is that you should have minimal side effects during the round and any side effects at the end of the round when the blood levels drop. -----------Most people have some side effects for a day or so when they end the round. Some people have side effects during a round, and some people feel better while on round. You want to find the dose where side effects are minimal and tolerable for you.-----------Jackie But the people who have problems during chelation are fast oxidizers and the blood levels are dropping and rising the whole time causing redistribution and side effects. -----------This is true, fast oxidizers will have trouble until they start dosing more frequently, but also taking too high of a dose for anyone will also cause problems and side effects.----------Jackie My logic was that if by having too long of intervals between doses I was causing blood levels to rise/drop, redistribution, and side effects possibly 8 more times than I had to during each round. -----------Your logic is fine/correct in terms of your dosing *frequency*, and taking the DMPS more frequently should resolve the above problem, so dropping from every 8 hours to every 6 is a smart move. But, I think you had mentioned also raising your dosage, and that's what I didn't agree with. Taking *more* DMPS at each dose does not extend the amount of time it lasts in your body, the half-life is the same, regardless of the doseage amount.-----------Jackie I'll stick with 50mg at 6 hour intervals next round. ---------Good. Let us know how it goes, and realize that you could even go lower than 50mg. Alot of us tolerate much less than that.---------Jackie ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 14New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Weight Loss Group on Yahoo! Groups Get support and make friends online. Dog Groups on Yahoo! Groups discuss everything related to dogs. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote: Thanks and Jackie, I guess I'll let you guys talk some sense into me and stick on the safe side. I'm just eager to get the show on the road. ---------But this is what can get people in trouble. Please be patient. I have heard TK say soooooo many times that the biggest mistake people make is trying to go too fast, and then they have problems.-------Jackie From what I understood is that you should have minimal side effects during the round and any side effects at the end of the round when the blood levels drop. -----------Most people have some side effects for a day or so when they end the round. Some people have side effects during a round, and some people feel better while on round. You want to find the dose where side effects are minimal and tolerable for you.-----------Jackie But the people who have problems during chelation are fast oxidizers and the blood levels are dropping and rising the whole time causing redistribution and side effects. -----------This is true, fast oxidizers will have trouble until they start dosing more frequently, but also taking too high of a dose for anyone will also cause problems and side effects.----------Jackie My logic was that if by having too long of intervals between doses I was causing blood levels to rise/drop, redistribution, and side effects possibly 8 more times than I had to during each round. -----------Your logic is fine/correct in terms of your dosing *frequency*, and taking the DMPS more frequently should resolve the above problem, so dropping from every 8 hours to every 6 is a smart move. But, I think you had mentioned also raising your dosage, and that's what I didn't agree with. Taking *more* DMPS at each dose does not extend the amount of time it lasts in your body, the half-life is the same, regardless of the doseage amount.-----------Jackie I'll stick with 50mg at 6 hour intervals next round. ---------Good. Let us know how it goes, and realize that you could even go lower than 50mg. Alot of us tolerate much less than that.---------Jackie ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 14New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Weight Loss Group on Yahoo! Groups Get support and make friends online. Dog Groups on Yahoo! Groups discuss everything related to dogs. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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