Re: Are high challenge test results meaningless too?

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I understand from Andy's book and recent posts that challenge tests

> are generally not valid, particularly if you come out normal with low

> metals. But he doesn't specifically address high test results or at

> least his comments are not clear to me.

>

> I've had 3 challenge tests (before I knew about this protocol). 1

> EDTA IV push and 2 oral with Captomer (DMSA). All three came up with

> high, off the chart iron. The 2 with Captomer also showed very high

> mercury. (I realize that EDTA doesn't chelate mercury). The first 2

> also showed high cadmium, but I may have bee able to correct that with

> 9 months of homeopathy (drainage). The results are pretty consistent.

>

> Do you think these results are meaningless or do they provide some

> clue that I have high lead and mercury?

>

The results mean that you have iron, mercury, and cadmium in your

body. That's it. They don't tell you if the amounts of these metals

are " high " in your body, or if they are contributing to your illness.

They don't tell you if you have more metals than someone who came up

with a lower test result. The standard that is used to compare urine

tests to is an average from unchallenged tests, so just about anyone

would be expected to excrete some metals higher than that amount when

given a challenge agent. The challenge agent would only grab metals

from a very small area of the body, and would not be representative of

what is going on in the whole body or the organs or the brain.

Think of these scenarios. Suppose I went for a challenge test and

took a couple of the people I know who have a mouth full of amalgams

and no health problems. The people with no health problems could

score much higher on the challenge test than I do. There has to be

metal in their body and the challenge agent will pick up a bit of it

just like it will out of my body.

Suppose someone has little metal in the body and lots in the brain.

The challenge test will show little metal. What does that mean?

Nothing. It is the metal in the brain that will be causing lots of

problems.

J

> Thanks for your input! Lee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I understand from Andy's book and recent posts that challenge tests

> are generally not valid, particularly if you come out normal with low

> metals. But he doesn't specifically address high test results or at

> least his comments are not clear to me.

>

> I've had 3 challenge tests (before I knew about this protocol). 1

> EDTA IV push and 2 oral with Captomer (DMSA). All three came up with

> high, off the chart iron. The 2 with Captomer also showed very high

> mercury. (I realize that EDTA doesn't chelate mercury). The first 2

> also showed high cadmium, but I may have bee able to correct that with

> 9 months of homeopathy (drainage). The results are pretty consistent.

>

> Do you think these results are meaningless or do they provide some

> clue that I have high lead and mercury?

>

The results mean that you have iron, mercury, and cadmium in your

body. That's it. They don't tell you if the amounts of these metals

are " high " in your body, or if they are contributing to your illness.

They don't tell you if you have more metals than someone who came up

with a lower test result. The standard that is used to compare urine

tests to is an average from unchallenged tests, so just about anyone

would be expected to excrete some metals higher than that amount when

given a challenge agent. The challenge agent would only grab metals

from a very small area of the body, and would not be representative of

what is going on in the whole body or the organs or the brain.

Think of these scenarios. Suppose I went for a challenge test and

took a couple of the people I know who have a mouth full of amalgams

and no health problems. The people with no health problems could

score much higher on the challenge test than I do. There has to be

metal in their body and the challenge agent will pick up a bit of it

just like it will out of my body.

Suppose someone has little metal in the body and lots in the brain.

The challenge test will show little metal. What does that mean?

Nothing. It is the metal in the brain that will be causing lots of

problems.

J

> Thanks for your input! Lee

>

[Guest guest]

TK--- Hair testing is protocol and what is needed for

interpretation. Challenge tests are not informative.

>

> Hi,

>

> I understand from Andy's book and recent posts that challenge tests

> are generally not valid, particularly if you come out normal with

low

> metals. But he doesn't specifically address high test results or at

> least his comments are not clear to me.

>

> I've had 3 challenge tests (before I knew about this protocol). 1

> EDTA IV push and 2 oral with Captomer (DMSA). All three came up

with

> high, off the chart iron. The 2 with Captomer also showed very high

> mercury. (I realize that EDTA doesn't chelate mercury). The first

2

> also showed high cadmium, but I may have bee able to correct that

with

> 9 months of homeopathy (drainage). The results are pretty

consistent.

>

> Do you think these results are meaningless or do they provide some

> clue that I have high lead and mercury?

>

> Thanks for your input! Lee

>