Re: Best way to make use of already bought Urine Toxic Metals test

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In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote:

When I consulted a doctor 6 months ago and he suspected Mercury, I

bought a Doctor's Data 6 hour Urine Toxic Metals test wDMSA for

provocation from him. But before I received it, I found out that was

not safe so I never used it.

The doctor I'm currently getting my DMPS from wants me to get a urine

test before he'll prescribe anymore DMPS (My Doctor normally gives VitC

IVs for chelation. I know I need another doctor) and I told him I

already had one I could use so I didn't have to buy a new one. I told

him I was uncomfortable doing provocation due to redistribution and he

was fine with it and said just take it on the second day of the DMPS

round.

----------In this case you are going to have to do it to continue getting your

DMPS. At least it sounds like he listens to you, but if he thinks Vit C IV

chelates, he's got alot to learn, and don't let him use you as a guinea pig.

That's probably part of why he wants you to do the challenge test, either

someone told him this is what should be done, or he's trying to learn from

experimenting on you, or he's trying to cover his butt about prescribing DMPS

for you. Anyway, you have to work with what you got, and as long as you know

what is safe and what isn't, it should be ok. My concern is that mercury

doesn't always come out or the amount varies alot, so there is no guarantee that

this one test will show much. And DMPS only pulls extra-cellularly, so this

won't tell you anything about how much is still left in your organs and brain.

So if your doctor puts all his apples in on this one test, that might not be

good. Anyway, sorry to ramble on about this, but you can read more about this

topic in the ANDY INDEX in the links section at Moria's website, and you can

also search onibasu for posts on the topic. There are alot of posts by TK on

how to do this, and I believe he says to collect the urine on the 3rd day. And

they also mention a 24 hour collection instead of 6, so those might have a

better chance of picking up more metals also. But you will just have to use

what you got and see what happens.-------Jackie

Would this be the most useful time to take it?

-----------I believe TK recommends taking it on the 3rd day of a normal

chelation round.----------Jackie

How could I use it to

determine ALA is coming out of my brain rather than going back in?

-------------Are you using ALA yet? If not, then this is of no concern yet

and for this test. ALA is the only chelator that can cross the BBB and carry

metals in and out of your brain. The only time it carries metals into your

brain is when you have a really high body burden, like shortly after amalgam

removal. That is why you wait 3 months to use it. If and when your body burden

is lowered, then when you take ALA, it should be able to pull mercury out of the

brain and back into the body for excretion. So I guess I don't see how this

test is going to tell you anything about ALA and coming out of the brain,

especially if you aren't using ALA yet. If, you happened to do alot of these

tests, and found your urine levels decreasing on just DMPS alone, and then you

added in ALA and retested during a round with that, then you might see your

urine levels go up again. But there is no guarantee of that either, because ALA

is supposed to excrete primarily through the stool, and DMPS and DMSA excrete

through the urine. So are you getting the picture why these tests usually

aren't very informative?----------Jackie

I'm pretty sure the test allows for two samples to be taken. 1 is a

small container and the other is a larger container for 6 hours worth

of urine.

-----------The small container is probably for the " unprovoked " sample to be

taken when you're not chelating, like just before you start the round, and the

larger container is for the " provoked " sample to be collected during the round.

I guess I would do it starting on the morning of the 3rd day of your round.

Hopefully first thing in the morning will catch more metals in it than during

the day.---------Jackie

I want to do this to appease my doctor and at the same time to find

beneficial information like whether ALA is coming out of my brain or

going in. Thanks for your help.

--------------Yes it sounds like you will need to do it for your doctor to

continue prescribing DMPS. Just do it on a regular round. But it's not going

to tell you anything about what is coming out of your brain, especially if

you're not taking any ALA yet. And most people are concerned about the mercury

coming out of their brain, not the ALA, so I want to make sure you understand

that. The ALA is what carries the mercury out of the brain, and I have never

heard of anybody trying to measure how much ALA is coming out. Ask more

questions if you need to, and maybe somebody else can explain it better than

me.-----------Jackie

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In frequent-dose-chelation richard_furr2000 wrote:

When I consulted a doctor 6 months ago and he suspected Mercury, I

bought a Doctor's Data 6 hour Urine Toxic Metals test wDMSA for

provocation from him. But before I received it, I found out that was

not safe so I never used it.

The doctor I'm currently getting my DMPS from wants me to get a urine

test before he'll prescribe anymore DMPS (My Doctor normally gives VitC

IVs for chelation. I know I need another doctor) and I told him I

already had one I could use so I didn't have to buy a new one. I told

him I was uncomfortable doing provocation due to redistribution and he

was fine with it and said just take it on the second day of the DMPS

round.

----------In this case you are going to have to do it to continue getting your

DMPS. At least it sounds like he listens to you, but if he thinks Vit C IV

chelates, he's got alot to learn, and don't let him use you as a guinea pig.

That's probably part of why he wants you to do the challenge test, either

someone told him this is what should be done, or he's trying to learn from

experimenting on you, or he's trying to cover his butt about prescribing DMPS

for you. Anyway, you have to work with what you got, and as long as you know

what is safe and what isn't, it should be ok. My concern is that mercury

doesn't always come out or the amount varies alot, so there is no guarantee that

this one test will show much. And DMPS only pulls extra-cellularly, so this

won't tell you anything about how much is still left in your organs and brain.

So if your doctor puts all his apples in on this one test, that might not be

good. Anyway, sorry to ramble on about this, but you can read more about this

topic in the ANDY INDEX in the links section at Moria's website, and you can

also search onibasu for posts on the topic. There are alot of posts by TK on

how to do this, and I believe he says to collect the urine on the 3rd day. And

they also mention a 24 hour collection instead of 6, so those might have a

better chance of picking up more metals also. But you will just have to use

what you got and see what happens.-------Jackie

Would this be the most useful time to take it?

-----------I believe TK recommends taking it on the 3rd day of a normal

chelation round.----------Jackie

How could I use it to

determine ALA is coming out of my brain rather than going back in?

-------------Are you using ALA yet? If not, then this is of no concern yet

and for this test. ALA is the only chelator that can cross the BBB and carry

metals in and out of your brain. The only time it carries metals into your

brain is when you have a really high body burden, like shortly after amalgam

removal. That is why you wait 3 months to use it. If and when your body burden

is lowered, then when you take ALA, it should be able to pull mercury out of the

brain and back into the body for excretion. So I guess I don't see how this

test is going to tell you anything about ALA and coming out of the brain,

especially if you aren't using ALA yet. If, you happened to do alot of these

tests, and found your urine levels decreasing on just DMPS alone, and then you

added in ALA and retested during a round with that, then you might see your

urine levels go up again. But there is no guarantee of that either, because ALA

is supposed to excrete primarily through the stool, and DMPS and DMSA excrete

through the urine. So are you getting the picture why these tests usually

aren't very informative?----------Jackie

I'm pretty sure the test allows for two samples to be taken. 1 is a

small container and the other is a larger container for 6 hours worth

of urine.

-----------The small container is probably for the " unprovoked " sample to be

taken when you're not chelating, like just before you start the round, and the

larger container is for the " provoked " sample to be collected during the round.

I guess I would do it starting on the morning of the 3rd day of your round.

Hopefully first thing in the morning will catch more metals in it than during

the day.---------Jackie

I want to do this to appease my doctor and at the same time to find

beneficial information like whether ALA is coming out of my brain or

going in. Thanks for your help.

--------------Yes it sounds like you will need to do it for your doctor to

continue prescribing DMPS. Just do it on a regular round. But it's not going

to tell you anything about what is coming out of your brain, especially if

you're not taking any ALA yet. And most people are concerned about the mercury

coming out of their brain, not the ALA, so I want to make sure you understand

that. The ALA is what carries the mercury out of the brain, and I have never

heard of anybody trying to measure how much ALA is coming out. Ask more

questions if you need to, and maybe somebody else can explain it better than

me.-----------Jackie

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I did a urine test for my son that showed mercury. He is just 22/m old. What lab

is it through? Ours was Doctors Data. We tested the morning of the 3rd day he

still had 3 more doses in the round and it was just a first morning random. All

his other tests showed no mercury or at least frequent-dose-chelation , Jackie jtrunt@...>

wrote:

In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com richard_furr2000 wrote:

When I consulted a doctor 6 months ago and he suspected Mercury, I

bought a Doctor's Data 6 hour Urine Toxic Metals test wDMSA for

provocation from him. But before I received it, I found out that was

not safe so I never used it.

The doctor I'm currently getting my DMPS from wants me to get a urine

test before he'll prescribe anymore DMPS (My Doctor normally gives VitC

IVs for chelation. I know I need another doctor) and I told him I

already had one I could use so I didn't have to buy a new one. I told

him I was uncomfortable doing provocation due to redistribution and he

was fine with it and said just take it on the second day of the DMPS

round.

----------In this case you are going to have to do it to continue getting your

DMPS. At least it sounds like he listens to you, but if he thinks Vit C IV

chelates, he's got alot to learn, and don't let him use you as a guinea pig.

That's probably part of why he wants you to do the challenge test, either

someone told him this is what should be done, or he's trying to learn from

experimenting on you, or he's trying to cover his butt about prescribing DMPS

for you. Anyway, you have to work with what you got, and as long as you know

what is safe and what isn't, it should be ok. My concern is that mercury doesn't

always come out or the amount varies alot, so there is no guarantee that this

one test will show much. And DMPS only pulls extra-cellularly, so this won't

tell you anything about how much is still left in your organs and brain. So if

your doctor puts all his apples in on this one test, that might not be good.

Anyway, sorry to ramble on about this,

but you can read more about this topic in the ANDY INDEX in the links section

at Moria's website, and you can also search onibasu for posts on the topic.

There are alot of posts by TK on how to do this, and I believe he says to

collect the urine on the 3rd day. And they also mention a 24 hour collection

instead of 6, so those might have a better chance of picking up more metals

also. But you will just have to use what you got and see what happens.----

---Jackie

Would this be the most useful time to take it?

-----------I believe TK recommends taking it on the 3rd day of a normal

chelation round.------ ----Jackie

How could I use it to

determine ALA is coming out of my brain rather than going back in?

------------ -Are you using ALA yet? If not, then this is of no concern yet and

for this test. ALA is the only chelator that can cross the BBB and carry metals

in and out of your brain. The only time it carries metals into your brain is

when you have a really high body burden, like shortly after amalgam removal.

That is why you wait 3 months to use it. If and when your body burden is

lowered, then when you take ALA, it should be able to pull mercury out of the

brain and back into the body for excretion. So I guess I don't see how this test

is going to tell you anything about ALA and coming out of the brain, especially

if you aren't using ALA yet. If, you happened to do alot of these tests, and

found your urine levels decreasing on just DMPS alone, and then you added in ALA

and retested during a round with that, then you might see your urine levels go

up again. But there is no guarantee of that either, because ALA is supposed to

excrete primarily through

the stool, and DMPS and DMSA excrete through the urine. So are you getting the

picture why these tests usually aren't very informative? --------- -Jackie

I'm pretty sure the test allows for two samples to be taken. 1 is a

small container and the other is a larger container for 6 hours worth

of urine.

-----------The small container is probably for the " unprovoked " sample to be

taken when you're not chelating, like just before you start the round, and the

larger container is for the " provoked " sample to be collected during the round.

I guess I would do it starting on the morning of the 3rd day of your round.

Hopefully first thing in the morning will catch more metals in it than during

the day.-------- -Jackie

I want to do this to appease my doctor and at the same time to find

beneficial information like whether ALA is coming out of my brain or

going in. Thanks for your help.

------------ --Yes it sounds like you will need to do it for your doctor to

continue prescribing DMPS. Just do it on a regular round. But it's not going to

tell you anything about what is coming out of your brain, especially if you're

not taking any ALA yet. And most people are concerned about the mercury coming

out of their brain, not the ALA, so I want to make sure you understand that. The

ALA is what carries the mercury out of the brain, and I have never heard of

anybody trying to measure how much ALA is coming out. Ask more questions if you

need to, and maybe somebody else can explain it better than me.---------

--Jackie