Re: My hair test results - opinions? - a copper question

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the answer. There is one more thing that I would to ask

you: the high copper. The situation is this:

8 months ago my hair test showed I have high copper, zinc was normal.

I started to take zinc 50-75 mg a day to get it down. I also took some

manganese and molybdenum.

My serum copper was also tested twice (below the range 11.5 (14-23))

and 24h urine copper which was low too (0.2 (0-1)). My ceruloplasmin

was also low, it was tested twice and both times it was slightly below

the range (0.21 (0.22-0.45)).

(I probably dont have 's disease, no ring in the eye according

to eye doctor and no abnormalities in liver enzymes)

Anyway now 8 months later the copper is still exactly the same in the

hair test though I have been taking zinc all this time!! Zinc has

gotten higher though, its barely within the green now. The Zn/Cu ratio

is below the range: 3.77 (4-20).

So what might be going on here? Why isnt the copper getting down?

Could it be that I dont have high copper at all but my the copper is

from showering water or something?

Thanks!!!

Joni

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I finally did the DDI test after being really ill for over a year. My

> > symptoms are: extreme fatigue and weakness, anxiety, burning pains,

> > tremors, rapid heartbeat, muscle tension. Many of those can be

> > connected to my chronic Lyme disease though but I have always thought

> > if mercury could be involved too. I have 5 amalgams in my mouth, they

> > have been there for years.

> >

> > I have been taking a lot of supplements for a year now and eating

> > healthy but that doesnt seem to help with the condition.

> >

> > If I understand correctly, I dont meet any of the counting rules (?)

> > but my lithium is very low. I also have seem that " all low " thing

here.

> >

> > Any opinions? Thank you very much!!

> >

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 2.4 <7 green

> > antimony 0.013 <0.066 green

> > arsenic 0.055 <0.08 green

> > beryllium <0.01 <0.02 no line

> > bismuth 0.01 <2 green

> > cadmium <0.009 <0.15 no line

> > lead 0.02 <2.0 green

> > mercury 0.1 <1.1 green

> > platinum <0.003 <0.005 no line

> > thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line

> > thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line

> > uranium 0.029 <0.06 green

> > nickel 0.18 <0.40 green

> > silver <0.006 <0.12 no line

> > tin 0.02 <0.30 green

> > titanium 0.54 <1.0 green

> >

> > total toxic representation green

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> >

> =======================================================

> =====

> > Calcium 662 200-750 green over

> > Magnesium 47 25-75 white over

> > Sodium 23 12-90 green under

> > Potassium 10 9-40 green under

> > Copper 53 10-28 yellow over

> > Zinc 200 130-200 green over

> > Manganese 0.11 0.15-0.65 yellow under

> > Chromium 0.40 0.20-0.40 green over

> > Vanadium 0.033 0.018-0.065 white over

> > Molybdenum 0.025 0.025-0.064 green under

> > Boron 0.18 0.40-3.0 red under

> > Iodine 0.17 0.25-1.3 yellow under

> > Lithium <0.004 0.007-0.023 red under

> > Phosphorus 234 160-250 green over

> > Selenium 1.7 0.95-1.7 green over

> > Strontium 0.52 0.30-3.5 green under

> > Sulfur 46700 44500-52000 green under

> > Barium 0.21 0.16-1.6 green under

> > Cobalt 0.008 0.013-0.035 yellow under

> > Iron 4.6 5.4-13 yellow under

> > Germanium 0.033 0.045-0.065 yellow under

> > Rubidium 0.005 0.011-0.12 yellow under

> > Zirconium 0.013 0.020-0.44 yellow under

> >

> > Ratios

> > Elements Ratios Expected Range

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -----------------

> > Ca/Mg 14.1 4-30

> > Ca/P 2.83 0.8-8

> > Na/K

> >

> > Zn/Cu 3.77 4-20

> > Zn/Cd >999 >800

> >

> > Oops..

> >

> > Na/K 2.3 0.5-10

> >

>

[Guest guest]

joni,

i have copper toxicity too and have learned a lot about it. there is

a cheap book that is very informative called, " why am i always so

tired, " by ann louise gittleman. i'd check it out. your copper

toxicity probably isn't going up because you haven't produced enough

energy for it to come out of deep tissues. my copper was in normal

range, but based on symptoms i've had my whole life and other

mineral ratios, the lab could tell it was what they called " hidden "

copper. so as energy is produced, copper will start to come out of

tissues and go up on the hair test.

read this very brief article about someone that was copper toxic.

it's a case history basically.

http://www.dreddyclinic.com/migraine_headaches_and_copper_toxicity.ht

m

shawn

>

> Thanks for the answer. There is one more thing that I would to ask

> you: the high copper. The situation is this:

>

> 8 months ago my hair test showed I have high copper, zinc was

normal.

> I started to take zinc 50-75 mg a day to get it down. I also took

some

> manganese and molybdenum.

>

> My serum copper was also tested twice (below the range 11.5 (14-

23))

> and 24h urine copper which was low too (0.2 (0-1)). My

ceruloplasmin

> was also low, it was tested twice and both times it was slightly

below

> the range (0.21 (0.22-0.45)).

>

> (I probably dont have 's disease, no ring in the eye

according

> to eye doctor and no abnormalities in liver enzymes)

>

> Anyway now 8 months later the copper is still exactly the same in

the

> hair test though I have been taking zinc all this time!! Zinc has

> gotten higher though, its barely within the green now. The Zn/Cu

ratio

> is below the range: 3.77 (4-20).

>

> So what might be going on here? Why isnt the copper getting down?

> Could it be that I dont have high copper at all but my the copper

is

> from showering water or something?

>

> Thanks!!!

>

> Joni

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Joni wrote:

Thanks for the answer. There is one more thing that I would to ask

you: the high copper. The situation is this:

8 months ago my hair test showed I have high copper, zinc was normal.

I started to take zinc 50-75 mg a day to get it down. I also took some

manganese and molybdenum.

My serum copper was also tested twice (below the range 11.5 (14-23))

and 24h urine copper which was low too (0.2 (0-1)). My ceruloplasmin

was also low, it was tested twice and both times it was slightly below

the range (0.21 (0.22-0.45)).

(I probably dont have 's disease, no ring in the eye according

to eye doctor and no abnormalities in liver enzymes)

Anyway now 8 months later the copper is still exactly the same in the

hair test though I have been taking zinc all this time!! Zinc has

gotten higher though, its barely within the green now. The Zn/Cu ratio

is below the range: 3.77 (4-20).

So what might be going on here? Why isnt the copper getting down?

Could it be that I dont have high copper at all but my the copper is

from showering water or something?

----------I personally don't have high copper, so not that up on this, but my

thought is you might not be taking enough zinc and you didn't say how much

molybdenum. I would read up on this in AI and HTI, and hopefully some others

with personal experience will answer.--------Jackie

Thanks!!!

Joni

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I finally did the DDI test after being really ill for over a year. My

> > symptoms are: extreme fatigue and weakness, anxiety, burning pains,

> > tremors, rapid heartbeat, muscle tension. Many of those can be

> > connected to my chronic Lyme disease though but I have always thought

> > if mercury could be involved too. I have 5 amalgams in my mouth, they

> > have been there for years.

> >

> > I have been taking a lot of supplements for a year now and eating

> > healthy but that doesnt seem to help with the condition.

> >

> > If I understand correctly, I dont meet any of the counting rules (?)

> > but my lithium is very low. I also have seem that " all low " thing

here.

> >

> > Any opinions? Thank you very much!!

> >

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 2.4 <7 green

> > antimony 0.013 <0.066 green

> > arsenic 0.055 <0.08 green

> > beryllium <0.01 <0.02 no line

> > bismuth 0.01 <2 green

> > cadmium <0.009 <0.15 no line

> > lead 0.02 <2.0 green

> > mercury 0.1 <1.1 green

> > platinum <0.003 <0.005 no line

> > thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line

> > thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line

> > uranium 0.029 <0.06 green

> > nickel 0.18 <0.40 green

> > silver <0.006 <0.12 no line

> > tin 0.02 <0.30 green

> > titanium 0.54 <1.0 green

> >

> > total toxic representation green

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> >

> =======================================================

> =====

> > Calcium 662 200-750 green over

> > Magnesium 47 25-75 white over

> > Sodium 23 12-90 green under

> > Potassium 10 9-40 green under

> > Copper 53 10-28 yellow over

> > Zinc 200 130-200 green over

> > Manganese 0.11 0.15-0.65 yellow under

> > Chromium 0.40 0.20-0.40 green over

> > Vanadium 0.033 0.018-0.065 white over

> > Molybdenum 0.025 0.025-0.064 green under

> > Boron 0.18 0.40-3.0 red under

> > Iodine 0.17 0.25-1.3 yellow under

> > Lithium <0.004 0.007-0.023 red under

> > Phosphorus 234 160-250 green over

> > Selenium 1.7 0.95-1.7 green over

> > Strontium 0.52 0.30-3.5 green under

> > Sulfur 46700 44500-52000 green under

> > Barium 0.21 0.16-1.6 green under

> > Cobalt 0.008 0.013-0.035 yellow under

> > Iron 4.6 5.4-13 yellow under

> > Germanium 0.033 0.045-0.065 yellow under

> > Rubidium 0.005 0.011-0.12 yellow under

> > Zirconium 0.013 0.020-0.44 yellow under

> >

> > Ratios

> > Elements Ratios Expected Range

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> -----------------

> > Ca/Mg 14.1 4-30

> > Ca/P 2.83 0.8-8

> > Na/K

> >

> > Zn/Cu 3.77 4-20

> > Zn/Cd >999 >800

> >

> > Oops..

> >

> > Na/K 2.3 0.5-10

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Joni wrote:

Thanks for the answer. There is one more thing that I would to ask

you: the high copper. The situation is this:

8 months ago my hair test showed I have high copper, zinc was normal.

I started to take zinc 50-75 mg a day to get it down. I also took some

manganese and molybdenum.

My serum copper was also tested twice (below the range 11.5 (14-23))

and 24h urine copper which was low too (0.2 (0-1)). My ceruloplasmin

was also low, it was tested twice and both times it was slightly below

the range (0.21 (0.22-0.45)).

(I probably dont have 's disease, no ring in the eye according

to eye doctor and no abnormalities in liver enzymes)

Anyway now 8 months later the copper is still exactly the same in the

hair test though I have been taking zinc all this time!! Zinc has

gotten higher though, its barely within the green now. The Zn/Cu ratio

is below the range: 3.77 (4-20).

So what might be going on here? Why isnt the copper getting down?

Could it be that I dont have high copper at all but my the copper is

from showering water or something?

----------I personally don't have high copper, so not that up on this, but my

thought is you might not be taking enough zinc and you didn't say how much

molybdenum. I would read up on this in AI and HTI, and hopefully some others

with personal experience will answer.--------Jackie

Thanks!!!

Joni

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I finally did the DDI test after being really ill for over a year. My

> > symptoms are: extreme fatigue and weakness, anxiety, burning pains,

> > tremors, rapid heartbeat, muscle tension. Many of those can be

> > connected to my chronic Lyme disease though but I have always thought

> > if mercury could be involved too. I have 5 amalgams in my mouth, they

> > have been there for years.

> >

> > I have been taking a lot of supplements for a year now and eating

> > healthy but that doesnt seem to help with the condition.

> >

> > If I understand correctly, I dont meet any of the counting rules (?)

> > but my lithium is very low. I also have seem that " all low " thing

here.

> >

> > Any opinions? Thank you very much!!

> >

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 2.4 <7 green

> > antimony 0.013 <0.066 green

> > arsenic 0.055 <0.08 green

> > beryllium <0.01 <0.02 no line

> > bismuth 0.01 <2 green

> > cadmium <0.009 <0.15 no line

> > lead 0.02 <2.0 green

> > mercury 0.1 <1.1 green

> > platinum <0.003 <0.005 no line

> > thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line

> > thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line

> > uranium 0.029 <0.06 green

> > nickel 0.18 <0.40 green

> > silver <0.006 <0.12 no line

> > tin 0.02 <0.30 green

> > titanium 0.54 <1.0 green

> >

> > total toxic representation green

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> >

> =======================================================

> =====

> > Calcium 662 200-750 green over

> > Magnesium 47 25-75 white over

> > Sodium 23 12-90 green under

> > Potassium 10 9-40 green under

> > Copper 53 10-28 yellow over

> > Zinc 200 130-200 green over

> > Manganese 0.11 0.15-0.65 yellow under

> > Chromium 0.40 0.20-0.40 green over

> > Vanadium 0.033 0.018-0.065 white over

> > Molybdenum 0.025 0.025-0.064 green under

> > Boron 0.18 0.40-3.0 red under

> > Iodine 0.17 0.25-1.3 yellow under

> > Lithium <0.004 0.007-0.023 red under

> > Phosphorus 234 160-250 green over

> > Selenium 1.7 0.95-1.7 green over

> > Strontium 0.52 0.30-3.5 green under

> > Sulfur 46700 44500-52000 green under

> > Barium 0.21 0.16-1.6 green under

> > Cobalt 0.008 0.013-0.035 yellow under

> > Iron 4.6 5.4-13 yellow under

> > Germanium 0.033 0.045-0.065 yellow under

> > Rubidium 0.005 0.011-0.12 yellow under

> > Zirconium 0.013 0.020-0.44 yellow under

> >

> > Ratios

> > Elements Ratios Expected Range

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> -----------------

> > Ca/Mg 14.1 4-30

> > Ca/P 2.83 0.8-8

> > Na/K

> >

> > Zn/Cu 3.77 4-20

> > Zn/Cd >999 >800

> >

> > Oops..

> >

> > Na/K 2.3 0.5-10

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Joni wrote:

Thanks for the answer. There is one more thing that I would to ask

you: the high copper. The situation is this:

8 months ago my hair test showed I have high copper, zinc was normal.

I started to take zinc 50-75 mg a day to get it down. I also took some

manganese and molybdenum.

My serum copper was also tested twice (below the range 11.5 (14-23))

and 24h urine copper which was low too (0.2 (0-1)). My ceruloplasmin

was also low, it was tested twice and both times it was slightly below

the range (0.21 (0.22-0.45)).

(I probably dont have 's disease, no ring in the eye according

to eye doctor and no abnormalities in liver enzymes)

Anyway now 8 months later the copper is still exactly the same in the

hair test though I have been taking zinc all this time!! Zinc has

gotten higher though, its barely within the green now. The Zn/Cu ratio

is below the range: 3.77 (4-20).

So what might be going on here? Why isnt the copper getting down?

Could it be that I dont have high copper at all but my the copper is

from showering water or something?

----------I personally don't have high copper, so not that up on this, but my

thought is you might not be taking enough zinc and you didn't say how much

molybdenum. I would read up on this in AI and HTI, and hopefully some others

with personal experience will answer.--------Jackie

Thanks!!!

Joni

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I finally did the DDI test after being really ill for over a year. My

> > symptoms are: extreme fatigue and weakness, anxiety, burning pains,

> > tremors, rapid heartbeat, muscle tension. Many of those can be

> > connected to my chronic Lyme disease though but I have always thought

> > if mercury could be involved too. I have 5 amalgams in my mouth, they

> > have been there for years.

> >

> > I have been taking a lot of supplements for a year now and eating

> > healthy but that doesnt seem to help with the condition.

> >

> > If I understand correctly, I dont meet any of the counting rules (?)

> > but my lithium is very low. I also have seem that " all low " thing

here.

> >

> > Any opinions? Thank you very much!!

> >

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 2.4 <7 green

> > antimony 0.013 <0.066 green

> > arsenic 0.055 <0.08 green

> > beryllium <0.01 <0.02 no line

> > bismuth 0.01 <2 green

> > cadmium <0.009 <0.15 no line

> > lead 0.02 <2.0 green

> > mercury 0.1 <1.1 green

> > platinum <0.003 <0.005 no line

> > thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line

> > thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line

> > uranium 0.029 <0.06 green

> > nickel 0.18 <0.40 green

> > silver <0.006 <0.12 no line

> > tin 0.02 <0.30 green

> > titanium 0.54 <1.0 green

> >

> > total toxic representation green

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> >

> =======================================================

> =====

> > Calcium 662 200-750 green over

> > Magnesium 47 25-75 white over

> > Sodium 23 12-90 green under

> > Potassium 10 9-40 green under

> > Copper 53 10-28 yellow over

> > Zinc 200 130-200 green over

> > Manganese 0.11 0.15-0.65 yellow under

> > Chromium 0.40 0.20-0.40 green over

> > Vanadium 0.033 0.018-0.065 white over

> > Molybdenum 0.025 0.025-0.064 green under

> > Boron 0.18 0.40-3.0 red under

> > Iodine 0.17 0.25-1.3 yellow under

> > Lithium <0.004 0.007-0.023 red under

> > Phosphorus 234 160-250 green over

> > Selenium 1.7 0.95-1.7 green over

> > Strontium 0.52 0.30-3.5 green under

> > Sulfur 46700 44500-52000 green under

> > Barium 0.21 0.16-1.6 green under

> > Cobalt 0.008 0.013-0.035 yellow under

> > Iron 4.6 5.4-13 yellow under

> > Germanium 0.033 0.045-0.065 yellow under

> > Rubidium 0.005 0.011-0.12 yellow under

> > Zirconium 0.013 0.020-0.44 yellow under

> >

> > Ratios

> > Elements Ratios Expected Range

> >

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> -----------------

> > Ca/Mg 14.1 4-30

> > Ca/P 2.83 0.8-8

> > Na/K

> >

> > Zn/Cu 3.77 4-20

> > Zn/Cd >999 >800

> >

> > Oops..

> >

> > Na/K 2.3 0.5-10

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I believe I'm dealing with high copper also. I've had very high

copper on hair tests (only for it to show up normal a couple of

years later?) And pyroluria which is when your body leeches out

zinc/b6. And I have a reaction to gluten (celiac?) Plus mercury

maybe??? Still trying to figure everything out.

Anyway, giving up gluten has been very helpful. Also, b6 is very

helpful. It definitely helps me sleep better and I wake up actually

feeling a little refreshed rather than stressed out and exhausted

like usual.

" why am I so tired? " is an excellent book. If you have high

copper, you have to adjust your diet as well eliminating stimulants

(coffee,sugar, etc). Sleep is important - managing stress is

important.

If you have digestive issues, you may not be absorbing zinc very

well. Kirkman's has a liquid zinc that is probably easier to

asborb.

But I would have to say B6,B6,B6. It's supposed to get rid of

excess copper and it also has a calming effect. May have to go with

the p5p form as it is more absorbable.

VAl

[Guest guest]

Hello Joni.

I have this too I believe. You very likely have

adrenal fatigue.

Because of adrenal fatigue, your body does not make

enough ceruloplasmin. So the copper is not used

correctly and therefore the copper builds up in tissues

and organs.

Also because there is so much copper, the body cannot

raise its zinc levels. Low zinc=low pyridoxal phosphate.

Zinc is very important for digestion. When you are low

in zinc, the body is too acidic.

Basically don't eat nuts, seeds, chocalate and other

high copper foods.

No stimulants like caffeine. You can drink some cafeine

and theine free coffee/tea.

You should start meditation, or find another way to calm

your body. Avoid stress at all cost. Try to be happy. Learn

what is causing the stress. Stress is very bad !!!

Take zinc, magnesium, b6, pyridoxal phosphate, b complex,

small dose vitamin c. molybdenum.

Pregnenolone can be very helpful. If you have no digestion

problems, drink licorice tea 2-3 times a day. Licorice

helps your body recycle cortisol.

As long as the adrenal fatigue is not gone, the copper problem

will always be there.

The advises I give here are for copper toxicity caused by

adrenal fatigue and not for mercury toxicity.

Hope this helps you.

Good luck