Re: Round 4 - difficult. had to stop early

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Keep in mind that the difference in the rate of metal removal with 8 mg vs 6

mg is very small. So I would go with the dose that is easily tolerable for

you.

Dean

Round 4 - difficult. had to stop early

Round 4 – update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-effects

from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

rounds is now due to the DMSA.

Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

evening/night to:

6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a bit

strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to wait

until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need to

dose every 3 hours, all the time.

I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

previous rounds where pretty good.

Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

happen when I am asleep.

So…I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

have to get up twice at night. Oh well…worth a try!

And…. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

(splitting 25mg capsules)

The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

day 3 unpleasant.

What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

to go with 8.3 mg.

Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

better since I have been amalgam free.

My color vision continues to get better.

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

Keep in mind that the difference in the rate of metal removal with 8 mg vs 6

mg is very small. So I would go with the dose that is easily tolerable for

you.

Dean

Round 4 - difficult. had to stop early

Round 4 – update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-effects

from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

rounds is now due to the DMSA.

Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

evening/night to:

6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a bit

strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to wait

until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need to

dose every 3 hours, all the time.

I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

previous rounds where pretty good.

Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

happen when I am asleep.

So…I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

have to get up twice at night. Oh well…worth a try!

And…. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

(splitting 25mg capsules)

The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

day 3 unpleasant.

What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

to go with 8.3 mg.

Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

better since I have been amalgam free.

My color vision continues to get better.

Sunshine

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TK--- splitting the 12mg in half I would think would be easier and

more accurate or get it compounded at 6mg.

>

> Round 4 – update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

>

> It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-

effects

> from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

> rounds is now due to the DMSA.

>

> Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

> of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

> evening/night to:

>

> 6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

>

> At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a

bit

> strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to

wait

> until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need

to

> dose every 3 hours, all the time.

>

> I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

> low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

> Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

> changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

> too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

> dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

> previous rounds where pretty good.

>

> Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

> finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

> happen when I am asleep.

>

> So…I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well…worth a try!

>

> And…. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

> (splitting 25mg capsules)

>

> The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

> day 3 unpleasant.

>

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

> to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

> has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

> better since I have been amalgam free.

> My color vision continues to get better.

>

> Sunshine

>

[Guest guest]

TK--- splitting the 12mg in half I would think would be easier and

more accurate or get it compounded at 6mg.

>

> Round 4 – update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

>

> It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-

effects

> from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

> rounds is now due to the DMSA.

>

> Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

> of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

> evening/night to:

>

> 6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

>

> At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a

bit

> strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to

wait

> until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need

to

> dose every 3 hours, all the time.

>

> I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

> low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

> Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

> changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

> too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

> dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

> previous rounds where pretty good.

>

> Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

> finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

> happen when I am asleep.

>

> So…I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well…worth a try!

>

> And…. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

> (splitting 25mg capsules)

>

> The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

> day 3 unpleasant.

>

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

> to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

> has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

> better since I have been amalgam free.

> My color vision continues to get better.

>

> Sunshine

>

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I would try to be as precise and consistent as possible with the timing of the

doses. I am currently on 25 mg DMSA and 12.5 mg ALA every 3 hours. I find that,

if I am off even by 20 or 30 minutes with the dose, I start to get headaches.

It's annoying to wake up every 3 hours at night but I find it gets the best

results.

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I would try to be as precise and consistent as possible with the timing of the

doses. I am currently on 25 mg DMSA and 12.5 mg ALA every 3 hours. I find that,

if I am off even by 20 or 30 minutes with the dose, I start to get headaches.

It's annoying to wake up every 3 hours at night but I find it gets the best

results.

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I would try to be as precise and consistent as possible with the timing of the

doses. I am currently on 25 mg DMSA and 12.5 mg ALA every 3 hours. I find that,

if I am off even by 20 or 30 minutes with the dose, I start to get headaches.

It's annoying to wake up every 3 hours at night but I find it gets the best

results.

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-effects

from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

rounds is now due to the DMSA.

----------We have all had rounds that didn't go as well as usual, and it is

hard to tell why or what caused it.--------Jackie

Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

evening/night to:

6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a bit

strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to wait

until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need to

dose every 3 hours, all the time.

I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

previous rounds where pretty good.

Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

happen when I am asleep.

So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know is to try it.

Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing times/intervals. Just

remember, when you start ALA, you may have to dose more frequently

again.----------Jackie

And.. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

(splitting 25mg capsules)

The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

day 3 unpleasant.

What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

to go with 8.3 mg.

----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you could try is,

Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and magnesium with pretty much

every dose of chelator. So you could try that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

better since I have been amalgam free.

My color vision continues to get better.

-------------If symptoms only last a day and are bearable, then that's not too

bad. You'll have to decide what is acceptable or not. There is never nothing

wrong with trying a lower dose, though.--------Jackie

Sunshine

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-effects

from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on

rounds is now due to the DMSA.

----------We have all had rounds that didn't go as well as usual, and it is

hard to tell why or what caused it.--------Jackie

Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length

of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the

evening/night to:

6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a bit

strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to wait

until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need to

dose every 3 hours, all the time.

I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog,

low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend.

Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM's

changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times

too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two

dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round,

previous rounds where pretty good.

Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to

finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully

happen when I am asleep.

So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to

have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know is to try it.

Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing times/intervals. Just

remember, when you start ALA, you may have to dose more frequently

again.----------Jackie

And.. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25

(splitting 25mg capsules)

The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice,

day 3 unpleasant.

What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm inclined

to go with 8.3 mg.

----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you could try is,

Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and magnesium with pretty much

every dose of chelator. So you could try that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned

to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This

has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly

better since I have been amalgam free.

My color vision continues to get better.

-------------If symptoms only last a day and are bearable, then that's not too

bad. You'll have to decide what is acceptable or not. There is never nothing

wrong with trying a lower dose, though.--------Jackie

Sunshine

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Sunshine: Ok, thanks everyone. I will go with 6mg next round, every

3 hours even at night.

Re timings: now that I have discovered the calendar on my mobile has

multiple appointments with multiple alarms, my time keeping is just

about perfect. Was a most excellent discovery.

> In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

> So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not

to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

>

> ----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know

is to try it. Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing

times/intervals. Just remember, when you start ALA, you may have to

dose more frequently again.----------Jackie

Sunshine: re ALA: When you say " more frequently " do you mean more

frequently than 3 hours?

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm

inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> ----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you

could try is, Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and

magnesium with pretty much every dose of chelator. So you could try

that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

sunshine: Re vit C and Magnesium: ok, I will bear that in mind if

things don't work out on the next round.

Thx all

Sunshine

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>

> Sunshine,

Just want to share my experience and perhaps give you another

perspective on the " from now on everything is a result of DMSA "

I had my amalgams removed in 4 segments, I charted each day with

symptoms. I did one quadrant every 3 months. I had the hardest time

after removal from weeks 6-11 consistently, every time. My dentist

used all the safety precautions.

I know everyone is different but it could still be amalgam related.

My two cents

Colette

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Sunshine: Ok, thanks everyone. I will go with 6mg next round, every

3 hours even at night.

Re timings: now that I have discovered the calendar on my mobile has

multiple appointments with multiple alarms, my time keeping is just

about perfect. Was a most excellent discovery.

> In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

> So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not

to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

>

> ----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know

is to try it. Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing

times/intervals. Just remember, when you start ALA, you may have to

dose more frequently again.----------Jackie

Sunshine: re ALA: When you say " more frequently " do you mean more

frequently than 3 hours?

=======Yes. I remember somebody dosing ALA every 2 hours. But, you won't

know until you try it, and I wouldn't worry about that until you get

there.-----Jackie

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm

inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> ----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you

could try is, Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and

magnesium with pretty much every dose of chelator. So you could try

that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

sunshine: Re vit C and Magnesium: ok, I will bear that in mind if

things don't work out on the next round.

==========What some people do is buy powdered Vit C, and use it to fill the

rest of the capsule, when they are splitting up their chelator, like

DMSA.------Jackie

Thx all

Sunshine

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Sunshine: Ok, thanks everyone. I will go with 6mg next round, every

3 hours even at night.

Re timings: now that I have discovered the calendar on my mobile has

multiple appointments with multiple alarms, my time keeping is just

about perfect. Was a most excellent discovery.

> In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

> So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not

to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

>

> ----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know

is to try it. Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing

times/intervals. Just remember, when you start ALA, you may have to

dose more frequently again.----------Jackie

Sunshine: re ALA: When you say " more frequently " do you mean more

frequently than 3 hours?

=======Yes. I remember somebody dosing ALA every 2 hours. But, you won't

know until you try it, and I wouldn't worry about that until you get

there.-----Jackie

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm

inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> ----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you

could try is, Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and

magnesium with pretty much every dose of chelator. So you could try

that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

sunshine: Re vit C and Magnesium: ok, I will bear that in mind if

things don't work out on the next round.

==========What some people do is buy powdered Vit C, and use it to fill the

rest of the capsule, when they are splitting up their chelator, like

DMSA.------Jackie

Thx all

Sunshine

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In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

Sunshine: Ok, thanks everyone. I will go with 6mg next round, every

3 hours even at night.

Re timings: now that I have discovered the calendar on my mobile has

multiple appointments with multiple alarms, my time keeping is just

about perfect. Was a most excellent discovery.

> In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Round 4 - update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

> So.I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not

to

> have to get up twice at night. Oh well.worth a try!

>

> ----------Yes it was worth a try, and the only way you will know

is to try it. Now you know that you are very sensitive to dosing

times/intervals. Just remember, when you start ALA, you may have to

dose more frequently again.----------Jackie

Sunshine: re ALA: When you say " more frequently " do you mean more

frequently than 3 hours?

=======Yes. I remember somebody dosing ALA every 2 hours. But, you won't

know until you try it, and I wouldn't worry about that until you get

there.-----Jackie

> What do you think? 8.3mg or 6.25mg for the next round? I'm

inclined

> to go with 8.3 mg.

>

> ----------Probably either one, up to you. Another thing you

could try is, Andy has said that some people need to take Vit C and

magnesium with pretty much every dose of chelator. So you could try

that to see if it helps.--------Jackie

sunshine: Re vit C and Magnesium: ok, I will bear that in mind if

things don't work out on the next round.

==========What some people do is buy powdered Vit C, and use it to fill the

rest of the capsule, when they are splitting up their chelator, like

DMSA.------Jackie

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Sunshine

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> >

> > Sunshine,

>

> Just want to share my experience and perhaps give you another

> perspective on the " from now on everything is a result of DMSA "

>

> I had my amalgams removed in 4 segments, I charted each day with

> symptoms. I did one quadrant every 3 months. I had the hardest

time

> after removal from weeks 6-11 consistently, every time. My

dentist

> used all the safety precautions.

>

> I know everyone is different but it could still be amalgam related.

>

> My two cents

> Colette

Hi Colette. Ouch! I don't want to think too hard about 6-11 weeks

after, at the time amalgam removal totally messed me up. 9 painful

months it took to get them all out. The after-effects of removal

lasted about 1 month each.

But, yeah i take yr point, it could be due to removal still.

Think I will still reduce dosage because this round was difficult.

Sunshine

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> Sunshine: re ALA: When you say " more frequently " do you mean more

> frequently than 3 hours?

>

> =======Yes. I remember somebody dosing ALA every 2 hours. But,

you won't know until you try it, and I wouldn't worry about that until

you get there.-----Jackie

No, i don't want to even thing about that yet! Oh well....very

important that i know that might be the case for me. Thank you.

Sunshine