Re: other causes of illness

February 17, 2008

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

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>I would say that having a lot of dental toxicity for so long really does

hurt the body, and it is not always the main root cause of illness for some.

To me it is the elimination of all possible/potential problems that brings

one closer to finding the real causes of ill-health, which are often

multi-factorial.

------------I agree with this Dean, and was thinking of posting something to

this effect myself. Some of us may have other things that are causing health

problems, not related to dental issues at all, but may interfere with us trying

to get well, and wondering why chelation isn't working, etc. And until you

discover those other problems, you probably won't get totally well.

For example for myself, I had a cyst in the wall of my esophagus, which had

gotten larger and became bothersome and I finally had it removed 2 months ago.

The doctors think I was born with it. Has nothing to do with mercury. But I

think it was affecting my overall health more than I realized. I definitely

feel better having it out, and I was surprised to find out that now I can take

much deeper breaths. So without realizing it, it was affecting my breathing.

It may have affected it enough that that's why 2 doctors wanted me to have a

sleep study done last year. They thought for sure I had sleep apnea, and I

didn't. Maybe just shallow breathing caused by the cyst? And I think just

having something like that wrong in the body causes physiological stress on the

body, and it certainly caused me mental stress just knowing it was there,

especially after it started causing pressure under my sternum. So it has been a

great relief to me to have this thing removed, and I'm hoping to be able to make

much more progress this year because of this.

So my point is, some of us may have other things wrong that haven't been

discovered yet and have nothing to do with mercury, but are affecting our health

and probably hampering our attempts at chelation. And that may partly explain

those that are having trouble and why our suggestions that work for most don't

work for all. JMO----------Jackie

February 17, 2008

>I would say that having a lot of dental toxicity for so long

really does

> hurt the body, and it is not always the main root cause of

illness for some.

> To me it is the elimination of all possible/potential problems

that brings

> one closer to finding the real causes of ill-health, which are

often

> multi-factorial.

=--------------------------

Good point, Dean. I think I/we may start out having 1 root cause

of our illness but it goes untreated/undiagnosed for so long that it

affects other areas of our body. Then it becomes a huge challenge

to figure out what caused what.

My intuition has always told me it was diet for me. Since giving

up gluten 3 months ago I have noticed some slight improvements. I

also have been supplementing heavily with zinc and b6 which also

seem to be helping slightly. ALA has given me glimpses into real

health but then the side effects kick in and knock me over. So does

that mean mercury is an issue too? Dr. Rind (whose chart is in the

files/links section on adrenal/thyroid) diagnosed me with adrenal

insufficiency. I've also shown really high copper levels on hair

tests. So, its a bit of a challenge, eh?

I've also been home with the flu for the past few days. I had a

virus/flu about 3 weeks ago too. Interestingly, they both hit while

I was doing a round of ala chelation. ????

February 17, 2008

In frequent-dose-chelation seashell_555 wrote:

Dean wrote:

>I would say that having a lot of dental toxicity for so long

really does

> hurt the body, and it is not always the main root cause of

illness for some.

> To me it is the elimination of all possible/potential problems

that brings

> one closer to finding the real causes of ill-health, which are

often

> multi-factorial.

=--------------------------

Good point, Dean. I think I/we may start out having 1 root cause

of our illness but it goes untreated/undiagnosed for so long that it

affects other areas of our body. Then it becomes a huge challenge

to figure out what caused what.

My intuition has always told me it was diet for me. Since giving

up gluten 3 months ago I have noticed some slight improvements.

----------Val, in the Files section of this group, there is one on how to

choose a diet, written by Andy. Maybe you could find something useful in there.

I know really likes the SCD diet. www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info I

think that's the link. -------Jackie

I

also have been supplementing heavily with zinc and b6 which also

seem to be helping slightly.

-----------I remember you saying this was helping because you found out you

had pyroluria (did I get that right?). I think discovering all these little

pieces of the puzzle begin to help the body function better, and can take time.

I have found a number of things out of whack in my body, and working on

correcting them has helped.----Jackie

ALA has given me glimpses into real

health but then the side effects kick in and knock me over. So does

that mean mercury is an issue too?

-------------Your reaction to ALA certainly sounds like it is chelating

something. It works on arsenic too, besides mercury. I have both, and 6mg of

ALA knocked me out. So I know what you mean. I take it as a sign that I am

still very toxic.-------Jackie

Dr. Rind (whose chart is in the

files/links section on adrenal/thyroid) diagnosed me with adrenal

insufficiency. I've also shown really high copper levels on hair

tests. So, its a bit of a challenge, eh?

------------Yes it is, having multiple problems. I think you and I discussed

adrenals in an earlier post. Have you had a chance to try ACE or Isocort?

When's the last time you've had a hair test, to check your copper levels? You

mention taking lots of zinc, and that should help bring the copper down. Andy

also mentions molybdenum, and things to help promote bile flow such as taurine,

glycine, milk thistle, and phosphatidylchloline. I take one by Jarrow called

PolyPC---------Jackie

I've also been home with the flu for the past few days. I had a

virus/flu about 3 weeks ago too. Interestingly, they both hit while

I was doing a round of ala chelation. ????

-----------This has happened to me too Val. Getting sick quite often during

chelation. And it just happened again. I started a round a few days ago, first

one for quite awhile, and boom, yesterday, I started feeling like something was

trying to get me, like a virus. I don't know if the stress of chelation weakens

the immune system and you catch stuff, or my other theory is that maybe these

viruses are hiding in your body, and the mercury is helping them to hide, and

when you do chelation it exposes them to your immune system, and you get sick.

My intuition is that I have lingering viruses, that my body was never able to

totally dispell in the past, so that as I do things to get healthier, I am now

able to fight them. And they talk about viruses alot on A-M also, and doing a

viral protocol for a long time to help get rid of them. I do take alot of

immune boosters and anti-viral things, but haven't tried everything they suggest

yet, but I think it helps. They have an actual Viral File that you may want to

print out.-----------Jackie

-------------I've had to do alot more than just chelate to see improvements in

my health.----------Jackie

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February 17, 2008

> I

> also have been supplementing heavily with zinc and b6 which also

> seem to be helping slightly.

>

> -----------I remember you saying this was helping because you

found out you had pyroluria (did I get that right?). I think

discovering all these little pieces of the puzzle begin to help the

body function better, and can take time. I have found a number of

things out of whack in my body, and working on correcting them has

helped.----Jackie

********* Yes, I tested extremely high for pyroluria. Andy wrote me

that pyroluria is really an indicator of some toxicity. Either way,

if I don't take my p5p (which is a potent form of b6) I really

notice it.

> ALA has given me glimpses into real

> health but then the side effects kick in and knock me over. So

does

> that mean mercury is an issue too?

>

> -------------Your reaction to ALA certainly sounds like it is

chelating something. It works on arsenic too, besides mercury. I

have both, and 6mg of ALA knocked me out. So I know what you mean.

I take it as a sign that I am still very toxic.-------Jackie

*******Wow, I just remembered a few years ago when I first started

in alt medicine a doc I was seeing had a retired army pathologist

working for her and he examined my dmps challenge urine sample.

They were very alarmed at my high arsenic levels. It was so high

that they asked me if I knew anybody that wanted to harm me!! I saw

some other docs too but they didn't seem as concerned about the

arsenic. Maybe that is a problem? I even called a toxic hotline at

the time to see if they could help me figure out where my arsenic

exposure could be from. I used to live in a city near large

chemical refineries and they said that could have been where I was

exposed. Also, my apt/house was constantly being sprayed with

pesticides.

Have you had a chance to try ACE or Isocort? When's the last time

you've had a hair test, to check your copper levels?

******I'm going to see a doc about it. Not that I really trust

them...sigh.

>

My intuition is that I have lingering viruses, that my body was

never able to totally dispell in the past, so that as I do things to

get healthier, I am now able to fight them.

*******That's what I'm thinking/hoping too. I've gone years and

years without a cold/virus. Seems odd when I've never felt well

during those years. I think I remember reading somewhere about

chelation and virus, maybe it was the a/m board. It's amazing I

haven't croaked yet with all these problems.

Anyway, thanks Jackie for all your help.

Val

February 17, 2008