Re: New member, need advice

Posted March 14, 2008 · March 14, 2008

my understanding is that with conscious sedation you can have them

removed all at once. I " believe " huggins approach actually recommends

this approach for people who are quite sick as they say its less

stress on your immune system

I think other should confirm this though as I am a little messed up

this week

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm from Maine, thanks for having me in the group! I have

> all 8 molars filled with amalgams and have been looking into getting

> them removed for awhile. I have one tooth that is cracked and

needs a

> crown pretty soon. I have CFS and Fibro and also an autistic son

(who

> is recovering with DAN protocol). There is only one " mercury-free "

> dentist near me who will remove them, but he doesn't follow the

> correct protocol. He wants to remove them all at once with me under

> sedation.

>

> My question is, would I better off keeping the amalgams in for now

> until I can have them removed the best way (even if that could be

> several years), or would it be better to get them out now? I fear

the

> exposure of having them removed now would make the situation even

> worse. Would I be alright having them removed all at once if I

> chelate? I am having a consult in a few weeks with a doctor who

does

> chelation, but any help you can give would be most appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

>

Posted March 15, 2008 · March 15, 2008

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

Hi,

I'm from Maine, thanks for having me in the group!

----------Hi , and welcome! Glad you found us! Just to let you

know, there are a couple other 's in the group, so using an initial

afterwards might be helpful. Thanks------Jackie

I have

all 8 molars filled with amalgams and have been looking into getting

them removed for awhile. I have one tooth that is cracked and needs a

crown pretty soon. I have CFS and Fibro and also an autistic son (who

is recovering with DAN protocol).

-----------There is also a sister group of ours called Autism-Mercury, where

there are lots of parents chelating their kids. You might want to check them

out too.-------Jackie

There is only one " mercury-free "

dentist near me who will remove them, but he doesn't follow the

correct protocol. He wants to remove them all at once with me under

sedation.

-----------This sounds like Huggins' protocol, using conscious sedation and

doing it all at once. He says its the best way to do it. There is lots of

controversy over how to do it, and I really don't know what is best. My dentist

did it slowly, one or two at a time. Some do a quandrant at a time. You'll

have to do some more researching, and decide what you feel is best for

you.--------Jackie

My question is, would I better off keeping the amalgams in for now

until I can have them removed the best way (even if that could be

several years), or would it be better to get them out now?

---------Of course this will be up to you, but if you already have symptoms

like CFS and FM, I personally wouldn't wait several more years. If this dentist

follows the other safe removal procedures, like fresh air supply for you, rubber

dam, plenty of suction, etc., you may want to still consider having him do it.

Have you been able to talk to anybody that has used him? Otherwise if you are

dead set against this, then look for another dentist. But work on getting them

removed, one way or another.---------Jackie

I fear the exposure of having them removed now would make the situation even

worse.

---------Why do you think this? What situation? The fact is some people feel

better, some about the same, and some do feel worse after amalgam removal, and

there's probably no way of predicting who. If the dentist does things to

minimize your exposure, and if you take appropriate supplements, this can help

alot. And safe chelation will help also.-----------Jackie

Would I be alright having them removed all at once if I chelate?

--------Proper chelation will help, regardless of removal method. If you feel

that all at once is improper, then what do you consider a proper removal

protocol? Like I said, there is lots of opinions on this, and you will have to

decide what you are comfortable with.-------Jackie

I am having a consult in a few weeks with a doctor who does

chelation, but any help you can give would be most appreciated!

----------What type of chelation does he do? Please educate yourself before

you go see him, because many chelation doctors use protocols that can be very

harmful. NEVER do IV chelation, or any protocol where you take high infrequent

doses. I'm assuming you found this site that you have some interest in Cutler's

chelation protocol, and that is the only protocol we use/follow on this list,

because we absolutely feel it is the safest way to chelate. Please do lots of

reading in the files and links of this group, and I strongly suggest you get

Cutler's book, Amalgam Illness, at www.noamalgam.com. Some even choose to do

chelation on their own, without a doctor, especially after being harmed by one

using bad protocols. A chelation doctor is not absolutely necessary. Most

people need a doctor for other things, suchs adrenal and thyroid support, or

other hormonal imbalances, but not for chelation per se. This will be up to

you, but I am just warning you that just because a doctor says he does

chelation, it doesn't mean that he understands how to do it safely, even if he

believes he does. You're the one who has to live with the results of his

incompetence, not him. I may be sounding harsh, but I don't want you going in

there all glossy-eyed and thinking that just because he's the doctor he must

know what's best for me. Way too many of us have learned this the hard way. So

please be in charge of your own health.

The other thing I wanted to ask you is how have you determined if you have

mercury toxicity or not? Cutler recommends using a hair test from Doctor's

Data. You can order it without a doctor through direct labs. We can help you

interpret the test here. It can also give you other valuable information. Some

people find they also have trouble with other metals besides mercury. It can

also point to possible adrenal and thyroid and blood sugar problems, so the test

is very useful and safe. Completely safe compared to a challenge test. So

please don't do that either! Read about bad protocols in the files section and

at www.dmpsbackfires.com.

Ok, I blabbed at you long enough, and hopefully I didn't scare you off! Keep

reading and ask questions. There are lots of knowledgeable people here, and

they're not all so long winded as me -----------Jackie

Thanks,

Posted March 15, 2008 · March 15, 2008

> Yes, Huggins does recommend doing it in one session. I

wholeheartedly agree

> and we clean all amalgams, cavitations and extract root canals under

> consious sedation. It does not seem to make logical sense, but

practically

> there seems to be a lot less strain on the immune system than an

extended

> series of removals.

> HOWEVER, I beleive that this only holds true if you have proper

adrenal and

> thyroid support in place!

============================

I'm going to have to disagree with this based on my own experience.

I was under for 11 hours! Had all the above done and was a wreck. I

had done at a Huggins clinic in Montreal - they lied to me. They said

the maximum amt would be 6 hrs - if it went beyond that time, they

would finish the next day. Instead they kept going for 11 hrs.

Granted I had NO adrenal/thyroid support just some suppelements a few

days before the procedure.

To me, this radical treatment doesn't make sense and I wished I had

listened to my gut.

Val

Posted March 15, 2008 · March 15, 2008

Thankyou so much, this is very helpful! As you can tell, i'm just

starting to research the protocol for amalgam removal and chelation.

I just got Andy's book yesterday and will be reading it this weekend.

I didn't know about Huggins and this being the best approach for the

immune compromised. I had heard from a few people locally that the

only safe way to do this was to remove no more than two at a time -

that's why I thought it wasn't the right protocol. Also, I was told

this dentist didn't have an ionizer in the room to clear the mercury

vapors. I will be looking into this further and confirm his protocol.

Thanks again,

>

> >

> > my understanding is that with conscious sedation you can have them

> > removed all at once. I " believe " huggins approach actually recommends

> > this approach for people who are quite sick as they say its less

> > stress on your immune system

> >

> > I think other should confirm this though as I am a little messed up

> > this week

>

> Yes, Huggins does recommend doing it in one session. I

wholeheartedly agree

> and we clean all amalgams, cavitations and extract root canals under

> consious sedation. It does not seem to make logical sense, but

practically

> there seems to be a lot less strain on the immune system than an

extended

> series of removals.

> HOWEVER, I beleive that this only holds true if you have proper

adrenal and

> thyroid support in place!

> This point cannot be over-stated. Dental work can crash these

systems if

> they are not supported. The most practicle way to interpret having

proper

> adrenal and thyroid, is having an average body temperature of 98.6,

or at

> least working towards it - see

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/body_temperature.html

>

> Unless your Dr supports Andy's protcol and does not wish to deviate

from it

> then keep him. Otherwise you may be better of without him. Adrenals and

> thyroid are where you should be looking first, even before amalgam

removal

> and chelation.

>

> DeanSA

>

Posted March 15, 2008 · March 15, 2008