Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I am wondering if the holistic dentist believe in removing the wisdom teeth as much as reg dentist, anyone know. In other countries, the wisdom teeth are left alone, what is the reason in removing ? > > I had my wisdom teeth pulled about 5 year ago. I have felt very > rundown and tired since then. I have replaced almost all of my amalgam > fillings. I just had a light bulb go off this afternoon. I now > remember my current dentist asked me if I had my wisdom teeth pulled > and I said yes. He said it looked like they were still there. (this > was last year that he asked me this) After, reading about cavitations - > I now wonder if this is what I have?? Over the past couple of years, > my jaw gets tired easily when reading a book out loud to my children, > my immune system feels worn down, and I am tired all of the time. Does > anyone think this may be it? Thanks Sheila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/23710;_ylc=X3oDMT\ JzNmEyaWkxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzExMzM1NzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNARtc2dJZA\ MyMzcxMARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjA1MzkzNTg1> Read Weston A. Price's " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " to understand this. All the orthodontics we get in this country (US) and all the extraction of wisdom teeth is a product of the face being mal-formed due to nutritional deficiency, a product of our depleted soils and processed foods. Basically, our jaws are too small due to a lack of usable calcium to make bones, while we were growing. The book is available at www.price-pottenger.org or for free download at the Gutenberg project: http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.zip Dave. Posted by: " email4ebay2005 " email4ebay2005@... email4ebay2005@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cavitations%3F%3F> email4ebay2005 http://profiles.yahoo.com/email4ebay2005> Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:29 pm (PDT) I am wondering if the holistic dentist believe in removing the wisdom teeth as much as reg dentist, anyone know. In other countries, the wisdom teeth are left alone, what is the reason in removing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/23710;_ylc=X3oDMT\ JzNmEyaWkxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzExMzM1NzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNARtc2dJZA\ MyMzcxMARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjA1MzkzNTg1> Read Weston A. Price's " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " to understand this. All the orthodontics we get in this country (US) and all the extraction of wisdom teeth is a product of the face being mal-formed due to nutritional deficiency, a product of our depleted soils and processed foods. Basically, our jaws are too small due to a lack of usable calcium to make bones, while we were growing. The book is available at www.price-pottenger.org or for free download at the Gutenberg project: http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.zip Dave. Posted by: " email4ebay2005 " email4ebay2005@... email4ebay2005@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cavitations%3F%3F> email4ebay2005 http://profiles.yahoo.com/email4ebay2005> Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:29 pm (PDT) I am wondering if the holistic dentist believe in removing the wisdom teeth as much as reg dentist, anyone know. In other countries, the wisdom teeth are left alone, what is the reason in removing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 > If arsenic and lead hinder with healing of the bone, does this mean that one can avoid cavitation surgery and just chelate the metals out, so that once the body is rid of the metals the bones will eventually start to heal anyways? Or is it helpful to the body to fight all these various toxins, so cavitaions would be another expensive but positive step in the process? > The effects of cavitaionts are quite mysterious, but it definitely could > be. It could also be the effect of having the mercury out - which would > have exposed you to even more. The only way to know is to start the > process of detoxing, and see how it goes. At some point, consider > getting the cavitaitons looked at. It's important to understand that > one of the main reasons the bone is not healing is the metal poisoning. > I've been reading early dental journals, where cavitations were openly > discussed, and where it was well accepted that arsenic and lead > poisoning were directly related to the failure of the bone to heal. > > If you want to see what cavitaitons look likein the mouth, see: > > http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/ > > Click on " Osteonecrosis (NICO) " . Then click on " Photo Albums " . Then on > " Surgery " . All on the left hand side navigation bars. > > Be ready, it's graphic. > > Dave. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote: If arsenic and lead hinder with healing of the bone, does this mean that one can avoid cavitation surgery and just chelate the metals out, so that once the body is rid of the metals the bones will eventually start to heal anyways? Or is it helpful to the body to fight all these various toxins, so cavitaions would be another expensive but positive step in the process? ----------I think you will hear different theories on this. Huggins and probably Hulda (I'm not up on her stuff, Dean would know) promote cleaning the cavitations as part of a complete dental revision along with amalgam removal. So they say to do it right away. I believe some others, and *I think* this is more Andy's position, is to do the amalgams first and chelation, and then if you aren't making enough progress, then consider checking into cavitations. So I believe that is another reasonable option, if you're unsure what to do. And then there are holistic dentists that believe the cavitation can be treated without surgical removal, and honestly, I don't know much about that. Personally, I don't have a strong view one way or another on these, and can see points in all of them. Possibly, if the infection isn't too bad, and maybe if it's more of an infection rather than dead necrotic bone, *maybe* it could be treated without surgery? I really don't know. But if there is actually an area of dead necrotic bone, the theory that you would have to remove it surgically certainly makes sense to me. And I would also think that if you had someone surgically open it up and look at it, then you would know for sure what you're dealing with. I think the other part of this is *when* to do it, and again I see the points of both sides. Having it done right away as part of a total dental cleanup certainly has its points. If I had any root canals, I think I would have definitely done this, because I have no doubt they are probably trouble. But I only had fillings to be replaced, so haven't pursued cavitations in wisdom teeth sites yet. So I have taken the wait and see approach, and I have had *alot* of other things to deal with, so not in any hurry to do another surgery! So, if there is a possibility that the metals will not allow them to heal properly, then possibly waiting awhile while you chelate, and then do the cavitation surgery later, also seems reasonable to me. And for us who have to pay big bucks to get this done, I think this is a very big consideration to take into account! But if you're unsure or can't get it done right away for some reason, I don't think there is any harm in waiting and doing it later. If they are there, they'll still be there JMO. As to your question as to whether the cavitations will heal once you have chelated and removed the metals, you will probably hear different theories on that also. The holistic dentists will probably tell you its possible. But I don't think this is what Dave was referring to. I think he meant that if you did the cavitational surgery right away when you still had a load of metals in you, that it might not heal properly, and then you would have to do it again. I don't think he was saying that he believes that it would heal on its own once the metals are gone. And I think I agree with him here, that if there is a bunch of dead necrotic bone there with no blood supply, it can't possibly heal, and it has to be surgically removed. That makes sense to me. But I think he is saying that you may have a better chance of it healing properly if you get your body healthier before you have the surgery. If that would prevent possibly having to have it redone, I think that would be a plus. Especially for us who have to travel and/or pay big bucks to have this done. But on the flip-side, if your health improves by getting rid of this infected bone right away, then that would be good too. So as you can see, I really don't know what is the correct answer here, and each person will have to decide for themselves what the right course of action is for themselves. And again, JMO.---------Jackie > The effects of cavitaionts are quite mysterious, but it definitely could > be. It could also be the effect of having the mercury out - which would > have exposed you to even more. The only way to know is to start the > process of detoxing, and see how it goes. At some point, consider > getting the cavitaitons looked at. It's important to understand that > one of the main reasons the bone is not healing is the metal poisoning. > I've been reading early dental journals, where cavitations were openly > discussed, and where it was well accepted that arsenic and lead > poisoning were directly related to the failure of the bone to heal. > > If you want to see what cavitaitons look likein the mouth, see: > > http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/ > > Click on " Osteonecrosis (NICO) " . Then click on " Photo Albums " . Then on > " Surgery " . All on the left hand side navigation bars. > > Be ready, it's graphic. > > Dave. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation toowittybird wrote: If arsenic and lead hinder with healing of the bone, does this mean that one can avoid cavitation surgery and just chelate the metals out, so that once the body is rid of the metals the bones will eventually start to heal anyways? Or is it helpful to the body to fight all these various toxins, so cavitaions would be another expensive but positive step in the process? ----------I think you will hear different theories on this. Huggins and probably Hulda (I'm not up on her stuff, Dean would know) promote cleaning the cavitations as part of a complete dental revision along with amalgam removal. So they say to do it right away. I believe some others, and *I think* this is more Andy's position, is to do the amalgams first and chelation, and then if you aren't making enough progress, then consider checking into cavitations. So I believe that is another reasonable option, if you're unsure what to do. And then there are holistic dentists that believe the cavitation can be treated without surgical removal, and honestly, I don't know much about that. Personally, I don't have a strong view one way or another on these, and can see points in all of them. Possibly, if the infection isn't too bad, and maybe if it's more of an infection rather than dead necrotic bone, *maybe* it could be treated without surgery? I really don't know. But if there is actually an area of dead necrotic bone, the theory that you would have to remove it surgically certainly makes sense to me. And I would also think that if you had someone surgically open it up and look at it, then you would know for sure what you're dealing with. I think the other part of this is *when* to do it, and again I see the points of both sides. Having it done right away as part of a total dental cleanup certainly has its points. If I had any root canals, I think I would have definitely done this, because I have no doubt they are probably trouble. But I only had fillings to be replaced, so haven't pursued cavitations in wisdom teeth sites yet. So I have taken the wait and see approach, and I have had *alot* of other things to deal with, so not in any hurry to do another surgery! So, if there is a possibility that the metals will not allow them to heal properly, then possibly waiting awhile while you chelate, and then do the cavitation surgery later, also seems reasonable to me. And for us who have to pay big bucks to get this done, I think this is a very big consideration to take into account! But if you're unsure or can't get it done right away for some reason, I don't think there is any harm in waiting and doing it later. If they are there, they'll still be there JMO. As to your question as to whether the cavitations will heal once you have chelated and removed the metals, you will probably hear different theories on that also. The holistic dentists will probably tell you its possible. But I don't think this is what Dave was referring to. I think he meant that if you did the cavitational surgery right away when you still had a load of metals in you, that it might not heal properly, and then you would have to do it again. I don't think he was saying that he believes that it would heal on its own once the metals are gone. And I think I agree with him here, that if there is a bunch of dead necrotic bone there with no blood supply, it can't possibly heal, and it has to be surgically removed. That makes sense to me. But I think he is saying that you may have a better chance of it healing properly if you get your body healthier before you have the surgery. If that would prevent possibly having to have it redone, I think that would be a plus. Especially for us who have to travel and/or pay big bucks to have this done. But on the flip-side, if your health improves by getting rid of this infected bone right away, then that would be good too. So as you can see, I really don't know what is the correct answer here, and each person will have to decide for themselves what the right course of action is for themselves. And again, JMO.---------Jackie > The effects of cavitaionts are quite mysterious, but it definitely could > be. It could also be the effect of having the mercury out - which would > have exposed you to even more. The only way to know is to start the > process of detoxing, and see how it goes. At some point, consider > getting the cavitaitons looked at. It's important to understand that > one of the main reasons the bone is not healing is the metal poisoning. > I've been reading early dental journals, where cavitations were openly > discussed, and where it was well accepted that arsenic and lead > poisoning were directly related to the failure of the bone to heal. > > If you want to see what cavitaitons look likein the mouth, see: > > http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/ > > Click on " Osteonecrosis (NICO) " . Then click on " Photo Albums " . Then on > " Surgery " . All on the left hand side navigation bars. > > Be ready, it's graphic. > > Dave. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi Sheila, not sure if you've gotten enough feedback on this, but I think it's certainly possible that cavitations are at least part of your problem, especially if there might still be parts of your wisdom teeth left? Not sure if this would show up on xrays, but I think I would pursue or check into this more. I have not had any cavitational work done, but I am still supspicious of my wisdom teeth sites also. And then the other problem seems to be finding someone to do it and not having it cost an arm and a leg, especially here in the US. Maybe you'll get more input on the new dental-chelation group. Good luck---------Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote: I had my wisdom teeth pulled about 5 year ago. I have felt very rundown and tired since then. I have replaced almost all of my amalgam fillings. I just had a light bulb go off this afternoon. I now remember my current dentist asked me if I had my wisdom teeth pulled and I said yes. He said it looked like they were still there. (this was last year that he asked me this) After, reading about cavitations - I now wonder if this is what I have?? Over the past couple of years, my jaw gets tired easily when reading a book out loud to my children, my immune system feels worn down, and I am tired all of the time. Does anyone think this may be it? Thanks Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/23765;_ylc=X3oDMT\ JzNzRpdnNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzExMzM1NzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNARtc2dJZA\ MyMzc2NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjA1NTYxMzk2> Yes, this is what I meant. It is a delicate issue. I had to have one of mine redone - it seem to be healed now though. It was critical that I did it when I did, because there was a piece of tooth left in the bone that had led to an infection that had bored it's way into the sinus. Also, I had two root canals that were infected, and the infection was very close to the nerve. Those had to be taken care of pronto. But on the whole, I think it's best to wait until after some chelation. Dave. Posted by: " Jackie " jtrunt@... jtrunt@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cavitations%3F%3F> jackietutts http://profiles.yahoo.com/jackietutts> Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:35 am (PDT) [...] As to your question as to whether the cavitations will heal once you have chelated and removed the metals, you will probably hear different theories on that also. The holistic dentists will probably tell you its possible. But I don't think this is what Dave was referring to. I think he meant that if you did the cavitational surgery right away when you still had a load of metals in you, that it might not heal properly, and then you would have to do it again. I don't think he was saying that he believes that it would heal on its own once the metals are gone. And I think I agree with him here, that if there is a bunch of dead necrotic bone there with no blood supply, it can't possibly heal, and it has to be surgically removed. That makes sense to me. But I think he is saying that you may have a better chance of it healing properly if you get your body healthier before you have the surgery. If that would prevent possibly having to have it redone, I think that would be a p lus. Especially for us who have to travel and/or pay big bucks to have this done. But on the flip-side, if your health improves by getting rid of this infected bone right away, then that would be good too. So as you can see, I really don't know what is the correct answer here, and each person will have to decide for themselves what the right course of action is for themselves. And again, JMO.-------- -Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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