Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 remember you can get a second opinion and you can be the gatekeeper to make decisions on your own care. The internet is at your disposal for information. I am going through something similar now. I have had gastric bypass surgery. Following a tummy tuck developed periontinitis and was discovered to have grade 3 colon cancer found accidently during the perionitnitis surgery.... anyways following a subsequent resection for another cancer in the colon, the mesh never healed properly and is exposed and is infected. They discovered an ulcer in my pouch where it joins the intestine. Bariatric surgeon says leave ulcer alone, onocological surgeon who will work with plastic surgeon to fix the mesh says all should be done at once because he feels ulcer can perforate and cause another case of periontinitis. Gastroenterologist says wait. I have a decision to make which may mean a second surgery.. Only the bariatric surgeon will handle the ulcer which in my opinion, since it doesn't bother me and i have no pain etc... may never be an issue. I'm trying to coordinate it all and not jump on one's bandwagon which is more surgery. It would be complicated because I know i am full of adhesions. I forgot to mention i had an ostomy and an ostomy reversal so my insides are mush. I can eat a bit now and maintain my 122 pounds without too much difficulty and do not want my innerds disturbed. Just telling you what is going on. I know there is no opinion anyone can give me. The point of this message is you have to think for yourself and should have insisted on biopsy before a major procedure. I have learned that if doctors don't operate, prescribe or do something they can't bill the insurance company. Sometimes they do not have the best interest of the patient in mind. Please keep this in mind. Nonnie Re: ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! new worries Deb, Oh, I feel so bad that you and Joe have got to go through these worries again. But, these doctors are always jumping the guns. Just because you have a cancer history they treat everything like you have cancer again. Like with my nodule I had in my lung. Just because I have a colon cancer history it was treated like I had cancer in my lung now. Of course after I had a lung resect they found out it was not cancer. Now I have to go through the long healing process of my ribs being stretched and all the muscle tenderness as well as the nerves that are screaming if I move a certain way or do to much. All because they did not want to biopsy it first. Do not get all worked up. The doctors always look for the worst. It is thier job to do this. Just take it one day at a time. Has his CEA counts gone up? Colon cancer does not normally go to the spine. It can but does not usually. So please try to look on the brighter side for now. When is his MRI scheduled? I go tomorrow to see the ONC and see what and if I need more treatment with my reoccurance in the intestines. Surgery did get it all. I am waiting to find out about my CEA counts. I know I could call now and find out about my CEA. I am fighting the urge to call. Am afraid to know if it is still an eight or if it has gone up more. But then it could have gone down since they removed the new nodule. Then I worry what if the cancer is somewhere else. Don't know if I should call or wait till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Am fighting with myself about calling. What if it is bad news?????? I am Praying for you and Joe. Ingrid > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Good advice Nonnie. Karima Re: ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! new worries Deb, Oh, I feel so bad that you and Joe have got to go through these worries again. But, these doctors are always jumping the guns. Just because you have a cancer history they treat everything like you have cancer again. Like with my nodule I had in my lung. Just because I have a colon cancer history it was treated like I had cancer in my lung now. Of course after I had a lung resect they found out it was not cancer. Now I have to go through the long healing process of my ribs being stretched and all the muscle tenderness as well as the nerves that are screaming if I move a certain way or do to much. All because they did not want to biopsy it first. Do not get all worked up. The doctors always look for the worst. It is thier job to do this. Just take it one day at a time. Has his CEA counts gone up? Colon cancer does not normally go to the spine. It can but does not usually. So please try to look on the brighter side for now. When is his MRI scheduled? I go tomorrow to see the ONC and see what and if I need more treatment with my reoccurance in the intestines. Surgery did get it all. I am waiting to find out about my CEA counts. I know I could call now and find out about my CEA. I am fighting the urge to call. Am afraid to know if it is still an eight or if it has gone up more. But then it could have gone down since they removed the new nodule. Then I worry what if the cancer is somewhere else. Don't know if I should call or wait till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Am fighting with myself about calling. What if it is bad news?????? I am Praying for you and Joe. Ingrid > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Good advice Nonnie. Karima Re: ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! new worries Deb, Oh, I feel so bad that you and Joe have got to go through these worries again. But, these doctors are always jumping the guns. Just because you have a cancer history they treat everything like you have cancer again. Like with my nodule I had in my lung. Just because I have a colon cancer history it was treated like I had cancer in my lung now. Of course after I had a lung resect they found out it was not cancer. Now I have to go through the long healing process of my ribs being stretched and all the muscle tenderness as well as the nerves that are screaming if I move a certain way or do to much. All because they did not want to biopsy it first. Do not get all worked up. The doctors always look for the worst. It is thier job to do this. Just take it one day at a time. Has his CEA counts gone up? Colon cancer does not normally go to the spine. It can but does not usually. So please try to look on the brighter side for now. When is his MRI scheduled? I go tomorrow to see the ONC and see what and if I need more treatment with my reoccurance in the intestines. Surgery did get it all. I am waiting to find out about my CEA counts. I know I could call now and find out about my CEA. I am fighting the urge to call. Am afraid to know if it is still an eight or if it has gone up more. But then it could have gone down since they removed the new nodule. Then I worry what if the cancer is somewhere else. Don't know if I should call or wait till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Am fighting with myself about calling. What if it is bad news?????? I am Praying for you and Joe. Ingrid > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 oh wow Ingrid , I definately missed the email that said your node in lung was NOT cancerous , well least thats a good thing right?? BUT those dang docs should have biopsied it first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ugh stupid #$#$# . We dont know what Joe's cea level is right now , he goes in on the 29th for first visit post chemo with onc. He goes this Friday for MRI , I wish we didnt have to wait for the results!! Oh , I know to call or not to call, hmm I think I would call , cause you could worry yourself sick for nothing ! But then again no news is good news? isnt that the saying lol. Hang in there hun , together with God we can accomplish anything , ( Yes I have to keep telling myself that too) Keeping you in our prayers Deb Ingrid Lowe lowenco@...> wrote: Deb, Oh, I feel so bad that you and Joe have got to go through these worries again. But, these doctors are always jumping the guns. Just because you have a cancer history they treat everything like you have cancer again. Like with my nodule I had in my lung. Just because I have a colon cancer history it was treated like I had cancer in my lung now. Of course after I had a lung resect they found out it was not cancer. Now I have to go through the long healing process of my ribs being stretched and all the muscle tenderness as well as the nerves that are screaming if I move a certain way or do to much. All because they did not want to biopsy it first. Do not get all worked up. The doctors always look for the worst. It is thier job to do this. Just take it one day at a time. Has his CEA counts gone up? Colon cancer does not normally go to the spine. It can but does not usually. So please try to look on the brighter side for now. When is his MRI scheduled? I go tomorrow to see the ONC and see what and if I need more treatment with my reoccurance in the intestines. Surgery did get it all. I am waiting to find out about my CEA counts. I know I could call now and find out about my CEA. I am fighting the urge to call. Am afraid to know if it is still an eight or if it has gone up more. But then it could have gone down since they removed the new nodule. Then I worry what if the cancer is somewhere else. Don't know if I should call or wait till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Am fighting with myself about calling. What if it is bad news?????? I am Praying for you and Joe. Ingrid > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 oh wow Ingrid , I definately missed the email that said your node in lung was NOT cancerous , well least thats a good thing right?? BUT those dang docs should have biopsied it first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ugh stupid #$#$# . We dont know what Joe's cea level is right now , he goes in on the 29th for first visit post chemo with onc. He goes this Friday for MRI , I wish we didnt have to wait for the results!! Oh , I know to call or not to call, hmm I think I would call , cause you could worry yourself sick for nothing ! But then again no news is good news? isnt that the saying lol. Hang in there hun , together with God we can accomplish anything , ( Yes I have to keep telling myself that too) Keeping you in our prayers Deb Ingrid Lowe lowenco@...> wrote: Deb, Oh, I feel so bad that you and Joe have got to go through these worries again. But, these doctors are always jumping the guns. Just because you have a cancer history they treat everything like you have cancer again. Like with my nodule I had in my lung. Just because I have a colon cancer history it was treated like I had cancer in my lung now. Of course after I had a lung resect they found out it was not cancer. Now I have to go through the long healing process of my ribs being stretched and all the muscle tenderness as well as the nerves that are screaming if I move a certain way or do to much. All because they did not want to biopsy it first. Do not get all worked up. The doctors always look for the worst. It is thier job to do this. Just take it one day at a time. Has his CEA counts gone up? Colon cancer does not normally go to the spine. It can but does not usually. So please try to look on the brighter side for now. When is his MRI scheduled? I go tomorrow to see the ONC and see what and if I need more treatment with my reoccurance in the intestines. Surgery did get it all. I am waiting to find out about my CEA counts. I know I could call now and find out about my CEA. I am fighting the urge to call. Am afraid to know if it is still an eight or if it has gone up more. But then it could have gone down since they removed the new nodule. Then I worry what if the cancer is somewhere else. Don't know if I should call or wait till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Am fighting with myself about calling. What if it is bad news?????? I am Praying for you and Joe. Ingrid > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hi , thanks and again I realize you are correct, no, Joe doesnt have any bone pain just the jolts of electricity down spine from neck area doesnt happen all the time but at least several times a week, and he cant reproduce it by moving his neck , it just does it on its own. Thanks again Deb martinseidman martinseidman@...> wrote: Your last statement is the key...but even if there is just a 1% of mets to the spine, any doctor is going recommend some sort of test. If he did nothing and then greater symptoms developed, you would be much more upset. Doctors can't take risks like that especially with lawsuits so prevelant, etc. Does your husband have bone pain? My understanding is that usually accompanies bone mets. > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hi , thanks and again I realize you are correct, no, Joe doesnt have any bone pain just the jolts of electricity down spine from neck area doesnt happen all the time but at least several times a week, and he cant reproduce it by moving his neck , it just does it on its own. Thanks again Deb martinseidman martinseidman@...> wrote: Your last statement is the key...but even if there is just a 1% of mets to the spine, any doctor is going recommend some sort of test. If he did nothing and then greater symptoms developed, you would be much more upset. Doctors can't take risks like that especially with lawsuits so prevelant, etc. Does your husband have bone pain? My understanding is that usually accompanies bone mets. > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > DEB > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy Valentines > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on liver found > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 thanks ingrid i will let you know when I know what will be happening. Nonnie Re: ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! new worries Nonnie, You are going through so much. I feel bad for you. And all these decisions to make. And I thought you were only trying to make a decsion on the chemo. You sure are going through a lot. My heart goes to you. Ingrid > > Ok , I am seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown, > > Joe went to neurologist today , didnt help much with neuropathy in > hands and feet , just gonna up the neurontin > > HOWEVER , did I tell you about the electrical jolts Joe is having ? > > When he turns his head a certain way ( he cant make it happen) he > gets an electrical jolt that goes down his whole body. > > When we mentioned this to the neurologist , he said hmmmmm I want > you to have an MRI done to see if its possible METS to the > spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!@!!!! > > Joe does NOT have cancer anymore DAM IT!!!!! > > The rational side of me realizes its probably nothing , however > OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG > > > > > > > > DEB > > > > > > 33yrold husband Joe, was diagnosed with CC in Sept, > > resection on Sept 27th 2004 > > found mets to the abdominal wall lining 3 lymph nodes involved > > open wound from infection until Jan 2005 > > Ileostomy reversal Dec 7th 2004 > > Chemo regiment begun Jan 2005 > > 5fu/levorican/Oxaplatin/ Avastin added Feb 14 2005 (Happy > Valentines > > Calcium Magnesium added for the Tingles Feb 28 2005 > > Ct Scan done March 23rd 2005 , 16 millimeter cyst like object on > liver found > > April 1 2005 PET scan done awaiting results > > April 11 PET SCAN SHOWS > NED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > May 9 Plateletts are low 75,000 > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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